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crypto
05-13-2014, 09:37 PM
Anyone watching this show?


If there is already a thread, I apologize. The search function would not work for me and turned up nothing...

A quick eye scan turned up nada, so I thought I'd start a thread just in case.

Chicagojeff
05-14-2014, 02:02 AM
Yeah me and my lady have made this one of our favorites.. what's funny is prior to this show I had no interest in tattoos and really actually dislike them.. part of it is I'm a dark skinned guy and I think they look terrible on dark skin.. (ie Shaq.. Lebron.. etc)
Big fan of Sausage.. and the fight with Kyle and Chris the judge was something else.. I've grown to really admire the skill.. the insight and creativity... I think Navarro does a good job as host..

Tamerlane
05-14-2014, 03:13 AM
Anyone watching this show?


I watch it intermittently because I am impressed with the art of the better pieces.

But I must say that like virtually every other "reality" show the scripted drama and histrionics seem to get amped up every season. To the point where it is kind of an increasingly annoying guilty pleasure. Heck I find even Antique Roadshow on PBS has been steadily getting more annoying :D.

But yeah, from what I've seen so far I'd root for that Sausage character to win, even if quasi-villain Scott might be a slightly more consistent artist.

Joey P
05-14-2014, 06:45 AM
I've been watching since last season, when they brought Tatu Baby back from the previous season. I really like it. I love tattoos and I found this show because I was looking for a tattoo show to watch and the only ones on were shows like Miami Ink which have nothing to do with tattooing (so I don't watch them). This show is all about the tattoos. It shows everything from actual tattoos right down to the people kicking and screaming.

Anyways, based on Halo leaving last night, which I didn't see coming, I'm going with Sausage winning (that slippery little sausage). Even though he's one of my favorite artists on the show, Matty did a shitty job last night and I just assumed that would have sent him packing.

Since no one I know watched the show, I'll tell you guys, I think a good idea for them to do some day would be 'virgin canvases'...people that have never been tattooed. [cutaway to someone explaining it to the camera] "with a blank canvas, you have no idea how they're going to react, they could be just fine, or they could be screaming and squiring around the whole time. This could be horrible. And just because it's a big strong looking guy, doesn't mean anything, this is going to be tricky"


Oh, and I don't think I've ever seen a show with more eye rolling in it. I wonder if the directors tell them to all roll their eyes at the judges when the others are getting their critiques. I'm surprised no one sticks their finger in the mouth and pretends to gag.

By the way, if you want to watch another great show, Tattoo Nightmares is on right after it.

MissTake
05-14-2014, 07:11 AM
The only one I can root for is Sausage. Matti is just there and Scott is a dick. Granted, I'm sure much of it is production giving Scott the bad guy role, but I don't like the way he treats skins. TheKid's first artist was a jerk a la Scott and while the work was fantastic, we will never use him again. The days when a great artist could treat clients poorly is gone - there are too many really good artists vying for money.

One thing I didn't understand with Halo's booting - the judges ragged on him for doing flowers for his second tattoo, saying he could have done anything he wanted; however, I swear I heard the skin say she told Halo the flowers she wanted. So, either the client proposed flowers and he went with it, or he said "I want to do flowers again, what do you want?" I don't care how open a client says s/he is, she had to have given him some direction.

Meatros
05-14-2014, 07:17 AM
Big fan of Sausage.. and the fight with Kyle and Chris the judge was something else.. I've grown to really admire the skill.. the insight and creativity... I think Navarro does a good job as host..

Agreed.

My wife and I have a suspicion that Navarro had some botox or something because he hardly ever moves his eyebrows.

The only one I can root for is Sausage. Matti is just there and Scott is a dick. Granted, I'm sure much of it is production giving Scott the bad guy role, but I don't like the way he treats skins. TheKid's first artist was a jerk a la Scott and while the work was fantastic, we will never use him again. The days when a great artist could treat clients poorly is gone - there are too many really good artists vying for money.

Scott is a dick, but he's a fantastic artist. Sausage seems like a good guy AND he's a good artist, so I'm pulling for him.

I think Gentle Jay's name is a misnomer - he always seemed aggressive and upset.

Joey P
05-14-2014, 07:55 AM
The only one I can root for is Sausage. Matti is just there and Scott is a dick. Granted, I'm sure much of it is production giving Scott the bad guy role, but I don't like the way he treats skins.
I'm sure at least some of it is in the editing. But he sure seems like a douche. I'll always go back to what someone once said on The Real World (paraphrased) "When you have 4000 hours of footage and you only show 22 hours, you can make anyone look however you want". In this case, for an hour show, they probably have 20 or 30 hours of footage to sift through. But still.



One thing I didn't understand with Halo's booting - the judges ragged on him for doing flowers for his second tattoo, saying he could have done anything he wanted; however, I swear I heard the skin say she told Halo the flowers she wanted. So, either the client proposed flowers and he went with it, or he said "I want to do flowers again, what do you want?" I don't care how open a client says s/he is, she had to have given him some direction.
I think she actually came in with her own artwork. Personally, I don't think she should have been on the episode. It wasn't a coverup, it was just a 'tattoo'. But I'm sure they just threw her into the mix knowing exactly what kind of drama it would cause, and they got exactly what they wanted.

Two things I get really tired of are
1)More black (but maybe he's right, I dunno)
2)You need to tell the canvas what they want/stay in control of them. That response gets old anytime an artist says "But this is exactly what they wanted". I don't know if they need to screen them better or what. I get them some of them are just looking for a free tattoo, but I think it needs to be explained to them that if they want to throw a little fit for 5 minutes that's okay, but ultimately if they don't reach a decision by a specific time, the artist gets to tattoo whatever design he's happiest with at that point, and the canvas has to sit for it.
The problem I see with that is if it isn't going in a way that the artist likes, I could see him antagonizing the canvas to get what he wants.

I'm not sure, but it seems like something needs to be worked out.

MissTake
05-14-2014, 08:10 AM
Two things I get really tired of are
1)More black (but maybe he's right, I dunno)
2)You need to tell the canvas what they want/stay in control of them. That response gets old anytime an artist says "But this is exactly what they wanted". I don't know if they need to screen them better or what. I get them some of them are just looking for a free tattoo, but I think it needs to be explained to them that if they want to throw a little fit for 5 minutes that's okay, but ultimately if they don't reach a decision by a specific time, the artist gets to tattoo whatever design he's happiest with at that point, and the canvas has to sit for it.
The problem I see with that is if it isn't going in a way that the artist likes, I could see him antagonizing the canvas to get what he wants.

I'm not sure, but it seems like something needs to be worked out.

TheKid and I have discussed wanting to be a skin on the show. While the thought of getting a great tattoo for free is tempting, neither one of us would want to come home with something Japanese (neither of us like that style) and I would hate some huge grotesque being put on me. I would hope the skins have some input with production beforehand, even if it's an open skin challenge. And, I do believe they should have replacement skins available. If there is no way for the artist and skin to meet minds, the artist should not be penalized nor should s/he be allowed to steamroll the skin.

Have you seen the scrolls at the bottom? "Every thought about having your face tattooed? Your butt? Your skull?" They're trying to make it more extreme for no damn reason. Give twelve artists a chunk of back and we know half will fail miserably with a good, clean area.

I would like to see a good script challenge. Not just a name. Script. It's amazing how many otherwise great artists suck at script.

Joey P
05-14-2014, 08:26 AM
Have you seen the scrolls at the bottom? "Every thought about having your face tattooed? Your butt? Your skull?" They're trying to make it more extreme for no damn reason. Give twelve artists a chunk of back and we know half will fail miserably with a good, clean area.

They do heads and butts only once in a while, but I think, more than anything they do it because they know some of the artists are going to have moral problems with it. IIRC, Sausage had a big problem with the face tattoo this season. Someone gave him that skull, and like always, he talked the canvas into getting the tattoo done elsewhere.

I assume half the reason for the feed is to get more viewers for next year, but a big part of it is because it's hard to get people who want their's tattooed. They probably have to find 100-200 people who actually want their face/skull/butt tattooed before they can whittle it down to the 4 or 5 that will actually go in front of the cameras and lights and pull the trigger. They need those people to go to the website.

I'm just glad Dave stopped wedging "Taco Bell" into every sentence. He seems a lot less metal when he does that.

Also, very small but slightly NSFW of Oliver Peck's tattoos (http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a1/9e/d5/a19ed5636e3b02c4cbffe8c072616143.jpg). Did you know he had this many? And did you know he was married to Kat Von D for about 10 minutes?

MissTake
05-14-2014, 08:49 AM
Also, very small but slightly NSFW of Oliver Peck's tattoos (http://media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/a1/9e/d5/a19ed5636e3b02c4cbffe8c072616143.jpg). Did you know he had this many? And did you know he was married to Kat Von D for about 10 minutes?

Sadly, I know way too much about Kat Von D due to TheKid having had a massive girl crush on her. She's moved on to Megan Massacre, thank heavens. One of her friends has a Megan tattoo and it is just gorgeous.

I do like Oliver Peck, much more than I like Chris Nunez. I feel Oliver is more fair than Chris is - Chris does let his personal feelings get in the way of the work.

Superdude
05-14-2014, 09:35 AM
And did you know he was married to Kat Von D for about 10 minutes?

Little longer than ten minutes. 2003-2007 per wiki. I'm in the middle of a divorce right now; July would have been 5 years. Sure seems longer than 10 minutes to me.

Granted, that was snarky and tangential. But, to me, 10 minutes is a Kardashian marriage.

crypto
05-14-2014, 10:50 AM
I am glad some folks are watching it.

This is the worst season, IMO. The drama has been amped up, and the eye rolling, etc has become over the top. The other thing that drives me crazy is all of the beeped out swear words. If you close your eyes and listen to the show, it sounds like a Springer episode. You can hear only every third word, and nothing makes sense.

Watching it, you can read their lips, so the beeping does nothing to mask the language being used.

As for artists this year,

I can't stand Scott, like most of you. But I think he has been cast in the villain role and that is his niche for the show.

Sausage drives me crazy with the constant "wooooooooooow"..... Or "no waaaaay". These long, breathy sighs that are just odd. You get at least one per episode, and it is really noticeable when they run shows back to back, like yesterday. He is always SO surprised.

I like his work, though.

Matty to me is the weakest of the finalists. Halo should have been the third guy, and in fact I was surprised that he was the one that was punted.

Scott's breast piece was terrible. I know that is what the client wanted, but just putting. Bunch if little butterflies did nothing for me, and it looked like anyone could have done that. I was almost hoping Scott would have been sent home because I have frown weary of him, but his body of work is too strong, I guess.

This is another thing about the show. I don't like. I am not sure how you fix it, though. But when you get toward the end, the shows are no longer judged by themselves. So Scott's piece last week was awful, but they let him slide to this week because he had a better overall showing than that girl (Melissa?). What is the point of having the tattoos judged if you already know who is going to be on the next show?

How they fix this, though, I don't know. Because the four guys in last night's show were the strongest artists from day one, and I could see how you would want to keep Scott around, even though he had a poor outing and should have gone home if it was judged as it is supposed to be judged.... these tattoos are being judged against the others done that day only.


Slightly off topic....

Why do some tattoo artists have these strange names?

Sausage is such a stupid name, but he is a good artist. Halo is an odd name, but I like it. Is there a reason for these monikers? Is it just to make the artist stand out more?


I was pulling for Halo, but since he is gone, I don't know. I think he got screwed las t night, so i don't have a favorite. Probably, I will root for Sausage, but I really just want to see three great tattoos next week. I love the art, even if I would never get one myself. I am very impressed with folks who can tattoo at this level.

Joey P
05-14-2014, 11:05 AM
Little longer than ten minutes. 2003-2007 per wiki. I'm in the middle of a divorce right now; July would have been 5 years. Sure seems longer than 10 minutes to me.

Granted, that was snarky and tangential. But, to me, 10 minutes is a Kardashian marriage.

Hmm, I honestly thought it was less than two years. In my head it was like "you like tattoos? Me too!!! lets get married!"

But I had never heard of him before this show.
That's what I get for not checking first.

crypto
05-14-2014, 01:25 PM
Joey P (and any other folks who know about tattoos)


I was surprised at the poor abilities of some of the weaker tattoo artists in this year's pool.

Was this an opinion you shared, or did you think that everyone was good at some level? I thought that some of the artists were flat out terrible, and. I would think a show like this would screen people a little better before they came on board.

I understand that some people get nervous and can't handle the pressure, but there were other artists that I wouldn't want to get tattooed by under any circumstances.


Also, what were your thoughts on Scott copying that warrior? I don't know the rules on tattooing or copying other works, but I actually agreed with the guy that pointed out that it appeared he cheated by copying another persons art work.

That is the one part of this show that really has bothered me. There is always the possibility that the whole episode was manufactured for the cameras, but assuming it wasn't, does anyone else think that Scott should have been sent home for using another person's idea and basically copying their drawing, calling it their own?

That seemed cheesy to me.

MissTake
05-14-2014, 01:56 PM
My two cents:

I think all of the contestants are better than the majority of tattoo artists with shingles out, but none shine across all genres. That where the problem comes in for me. If I know what style of tattoo I want, I find an artist that specialized in that style. Whatshisface specialized in Hawaiian tribal stuff - of course he was going to suck at realism. Some of it also goes back to ego, too. They've been told they're exceptional and now they're with a dozen other exceptional artists and faults come through.

Scott and the warrior kerfuffle - in some reality shows production makes it clear that there is to be no tracing/outside material. Here we see them using the internet for ideas every episode. If management said they could use media as a starting ground, but no tracing - then yah, Scott cheated. If not, then he's fine and Gentle Ben was just a whiner.

GargoyleWB
05-14-2014, 02:23 PM
Warrior 'copying': I defend Scott's response completely, he was being a good artist by using reference work to establish his composition, and then he tweaked it to his own tastes. I agree with his comment that for an artist to *not* use references and produce just from their freehand and memory is irresponsible. He didn't copy anyone's design, he just used a reference photo as a foundation trace.

It's when people *don't* use reference material that you get the horrible tattoos with bad foreshortening, poor depth, unrealistic anatomy, etc.

My comment for this show specifically, and it seems the industry in general...are all tattoo artists such fragile bullies and spiteful vipers? Why are other artists seen as competitive threats and insults to themselves, and not as colleagues sharing a loved profession?

Superdude
05-14-2014, 03:00 PM
I have a three tattoos myself. The guy who did the first one (Guy named "Butters" at Jade Dragon in Chicago (http://jadedragontattoo.com/)) was one of the nicest guys I've ever met. He was laughing, cutting up with all of us (I got my first tat at my very first ChiDope), and just seemed like a great guy.

I've had one artist that I didn't like. But that was personal reasons...he's married to my soon-to-be-ex's sister, and he's just a bag of cocks.

Leonard
05-14-2014, 03:39 PM
I watch the show some, but the judging seems to be completely inconsistent. Certain people get slammed for doing stuff that's completely ignored when others do it. Whether they're considering the body of work or the current tattoo and whether they're looking at the overall aesthetics or the specific element for the week in a tattoo seems to really depend on whether or not they like the artist being judged. They may be getting forced by producers to come up with certain results, though, so maybe it's not all their fault.

Red Stilettos
05-14-2014, 06:20 PM
I've been watching the show for the past couple of seasons. I keep watching because once every couple of shows someone turns out a really amazing piece of art. And, sometimes, it's in the flash challenges. One of my favorites this season was Halo and Scott's gunpowder piece.

I've found the judging to be fairly consistent. The main judges (Oliver, Dave and Chris) almost always prioritize the theme of the challenge. It amazes me how often an artist will ignore the theme and then act surprised when they are called on it. The guest judges are harder to predict, especially when they aren't artists themselves (Hugh Jackman??). I don't like the addition of the canvas jury. It just seems like filler.

As for this season's cast, I was pulling for Halo. With him gone, I'll have to pull for Matti. Sausage is talented, but his incessant whining about being picked on is unforgivable. It's a competition! Why would any of your competitors make it easy for you? Scott is also talented, but he's a dick and I don't think his pieces have as much expression as Matti's.

crypto
05-14-2014, 07:02 PM
I've been watching the show for the past couple of seasons. I keep watching because once every couple of shows someone turns out a really amazing piece of art.


This is why I watch it. I don't have any tattoos and don't ever plan on getting one, however I am so impressed with some of the artwork some of these folks turn out.



I think the canvas jury is there to identify the worst tattoo from a look POV only. They aren't focused on whatever the challenge was. Instead, they just vote on which one had the worst tattoo, which is what most folks at home are judging.

It does strike me as filler also, but I understand why they think it adds value. It is interesting to hear when people defend their tattoo, even if it looks terrible.

crypto
05-14-2014, 07:04 PM
One thing I forgot to ask.

Is this season the first time they have had so many artists? ISTM that they had more artists this year than in past years, which is why they had a couple of shows that cut more than one person.

Joey P
05-14-2014, 07:35 PM
One thing I forgot to ask.

Is this season the first time they have had so many artists? ISTM that they had more artists this year than in past years, which is why they had a couple of shows that cut more than one person.

I only recall them sending two people home once, but they didn't send home anyone the week before (how very American Idol). Naturally, everyone looked totally flabbergasted when they said they were going to send home two people that week...just like they look completely surprised every week. I swear, at the beginning of the season they must have had everyone stand in front of the camera and just make a bunch of 'surprised faces' and then do a bunch of eyrolls so they could drop them in and the stupidest times. I can't believe some of those people are actually surprised when they show them looking surprised.

Dave: This week, we're going to have you tattoo a butterfly, based on this tattoo, one of you will be going home
Sausage: :eek:
Me: It's a competition show, WTF did you think was going to happen.

Oliver:Sausage, that tattoo is amazing, good work man, lots of black.
Me: [wow, that was amazing, I wish he lived in MKE, I'd go to him when I'm ready for my next one]
Scott :mad::mad::mad: [No it didn't, asshole]
Melissa, [crying]
Halo: :rolleyes:

Every week. But what really gets me is when they all look surprised as soon as Dave says someone is going to get eliminated this week....Someone is going to get eliminated every week.

crypto
05-14-2014, 08:24 PM
You are right. There is a lot of fake emotion. In fact, the whole show is fake emotion.

Sausage is the worst, only because of his "wooooooooooooow","geeeeeeeeeeee" or whatever his exclamation is... He does it in sort of a loud whisper, and he always has a surprised look on his face, like his doctor stuck a finger up his ass to check his prostate without warning him it was going to happen first.

Navarro: Tonight, we are going to send two artists home.
Sausage: woooooooooow. Geeeeeeeez.

The other thing that makes these shows so hard to watch is that every one of the comments interjected into the show is done after the season is over. So all these folks are flown back in to make comments about what the shows editors have cut out and put into the episode.

Scott was initially one of my favorites, but he has become so arrogant and abrasive, I can't stand listening to him (or any of the other artist chatter, for that matter) when they all go back to the house. But he was always putting out some of the best tattoos week in and week out.

Scott : dude. I think my tattoo is the best. Sausage, dude, yours sucks.
Sausage in room - I don't see it that way.
Scott. Whatever dude. All I know is I am in the finals. You are in trouble, Dude.
Sausage: But I've been nothing but nice to you!

Cut to Sausage for comment "scott is such an asshole".

I like your emoticon conversation better.


Oh well. I do enjoy the artwork and appreciate the talent these people have to create art on skin. And next week is the final, so That's good. I cannot imagine getting a 36 hour tattoo on my back, but each one of these guys can draw, so I expect some great tattoos.

My favorite finals tattoos were Sarah Miller's (that crazy girl from a couple of seasons ago). She drew Valkyrie and Odin (I think) and they were awesome. The only thing that I didn't like was she made it two separate tattoos and not one, which for the final piece is, INO, the better way to go.

I wonder if Dunbar is coming for the live final? I hope they have metal detectors at the door!:D

Red Stilettos
05-14-2014, 08:46 PM
I wonder if Dunbar is coming for the live final? I hope they have metal detectors at the door!:D

I doubt it. Assaulting a judge is probably a one way ticket out of the show.

I didn't understand why he even got voted back. None of his pieces were compelling in any way and many were flat out bad. His neck tattoo freaks me out, so I was happy to see him leave.

crypto
05-14-2014, 09:50 PM
He does have a bad neck tattoo.

He just screamed psycho. His conspiracy theories were strange on the one hand, but on the other, I could see why he was getting so mad at Navarro. But I agree with you. His tattoos weren't exactly strong, and I think he could have been sent home weeks before his shoving match.

Indyellen
05-14-2014, 10:00 PM
Nitpick: Dunbar had it in for Nunez, not Navarro.

I've been watching, and they have seriously amped up the drama this year from previous seasons. I have to say, at this point I prefer watching Best Ink instead. I wrote it off as a weak copycat at first, but I really like it better now.

psychobunny
05-16-2014, 01:59 AM
I've heard that Best Ink is better but I don't get that channel. I've been watching since season 2 and this is the first season that the four who were clearly the best made the final four. I didn't realize that I was rooting for Halo to make the finals until he was cut. That said, I like Sausage's work the best so I'm rooting for him. (For the person that asked, I hear that his nickname is because his actual last name is Frank) The whining doesn't bother me as much as the way Scott treats the canvasses. Mattie impressed me initially but has been getting worse and worse. I also don't understand why anybody would come on a show like this and create drama. Don't they realize that only one person can actually win but if you do quality work and don't piss off the viewers, you are much more likely to get business. The show is great free advertising-take advantage! (See Tommy, runner-up from season 1 who is now on tattoo nightmares and I am sure has a booming business).

gigi
05-16-2014, 09:48 AM
I've been watching on and off, and I'm a big fan of Sausage. I do have to look away during the critiques because the editing of the reactions and eye-rolling is so obviously fake. I can't imagine sitting for 35 hours for the back pieces -- that will be quite a reveal.

Blaster Master
05-16-2014, 10:24 AM
I've been watching this show since the first episode of the first season, and I've got to say that this season has been the best one so far precisely because the top four were just so tight and I was very happy to see all four of them make it to the penultimate episode.

That said, I was disappointed to see Halo go, since I really wanted to see him in the final, but he rightfully deserved to go. Halo's issue isn't his art or his technique, it's his decisions, and he shot himself in the foot when he did a second tatoo that was so similar to his first. This is something that the judges have been harping on since the first season, that they want to see the artists challenge themselves and show versatility. For instance, in the very first season in the final episode, they were given two master canvases, one where they were asked to tattoo their strength and one where they were given free reign. The guy who won was a master of black and grey, so his second he chose to do a color piece, the guy who came in second (and now has his own show tattoo nightmares) chose to do a portrait since he was critiqued harshly for one earlier in the season, and the guy who came in third was a master of Japanese and just did two Japanese pieces.

Now, obviously, there's always the argument that the canvas got exactly what he/she wanted, but I don't think that holds much water. Obviously, there are ones that are just unwilling to work with the artist and they have to wear it, but the way I see it is that, like with any other commissioned piece of art, there has to be trust placed in the artist, his talent, his vision, and his ability. Sometimes a canvas has a vision of what they want, but ultimately it won't look as good as they think it might or the artist can give them further inspirations or show them something they didn't even know they wanted until they saw it. So, in this case, Halo could have worked with the canvas and tried to find something else to put into the piece to make it special and show greater artistic versatility.

I think Matti could have gone home too, since his cover-up was pretty meh, but he's shown a greater degree of versatility and has more wins under his belt, even if he's a little inconsistent. And, obviously, Scott had to screw up pretty hard to go home since the judges have shown him a lot of favor, even when I felt like it's not as good as they did.

So, that all said, my money is on Sausage, not because he's the "good guy" and Scott is the "bad guy" but I feel like he's been the most consistent, and even when he's gotten negative critiques, I think they were in the context that it was below his ability, not because it was below the other tattoos. Though, I will say that I think that whole dragonhead tattoo with Matti was a mess, but I blame that moe on Matti since it seems to me that he let him take the artistic design lead on it. I feel like Scott is a little overrated, he's fallen from favor as the competiton has gotten tighter, and sometimes his arrogance has led him to make some poor decisions. Matti I just don't think is at the same level as the other two, he's pulled out a few really good tattoos, but I think with them all getting 35 hours, it is going to end up going to the most consistent artists.

Hal Briston
05-20-2014, 10:05 PM
Just watched the finale.

Fuck Scott.

Joey P
05-20-2014, 10:30 PM
I'm glad he got booed at the end. I was really rooting for Sausage.

Also, I don't know if they were nervous because it was live or if they just do a lot of takes on the regular show but it was pretty rough to watch. Especially Oliver, he took a lot of long pauses. Chris wasn't too bad and while Dave wasn't too bad, I suppose he has the most experience in front of a live audience and cameras, even if it isn't like this.

crypto
05-20-2014, 11:12 PM
What a disappointment.

The show was so predictable. I told my wife exactly what was going to happen, from who the fans would vote into the final, to who the winner was going to be.

This show has jumped the shark for me, and here are my reasons why:

1) although I thought the best four artists were in the last episode before the final 3, I thought Halo got screwed. The reason they said they critiqued him so hard was because his cover-up on the breast cancer survivor was a flower tattoo. The woman who came in with the cover-up that wasn't a cover up specifically asked for flowers, and she gave him a specific list of flowers. His tattoo was amazing, and should have put him in the finals.

2) IMO, there WAS favoritism shown to Scott, especially toward the end. His last 3 tattoos were not very good, and yet, they let him skate.

1st tattoo was that Japanese art piece. It was horrid. To this day, I cannot tell what in the hell that was supposed to be. He should have been sent home on that tattoo, but based on the fact that Melissa had never won a challenge, I guess I could see Scott skating by with one bad effort. However, the week with the final 4 was blatant favoritism.

His stupid butterfly/mosquito/whatever-the-fuck he put in that poor woman's breasts was just awful. Easily the worst piece of the day, IMO. And yet, the judges still praised the tattoo, telling him it was great work. I didn't see what they saw, and it was so small.. He could have done that in 2 hours. It was just what the woman wanted... Ok, But it didn't rise to the level of the other artists efforts.

Then, his cover-up... You could still see the tattoo underneath his new tattoo! By definition, he did not meet the challenge, and everyone else did. And everyone else was a very strong artist. Scott should have been sent packing. Those last 3 tattoos by Scott were flat out bad, and I couldn't understand the favorable critiques.

If they had to keep Scott, then Send home Matti for that terrible cover-up piece, which looked like a big black blob/tumor coming out of the head of his "other" Tattoo. Honestly, i am no tattoo expert, but I like what I like, and cover-up tattoo LOOKED like a cover-up.



So, the "fans" got to cote one of the artists into the final. How lame was that? No matter who it was, the decision was already made. So the audience's vote had absolutely NO impact on the winner. It just sent Matti home first in the final. Big deal. Scott had already been chosen the winner.


As for the final tattoos, I didn't like any of them, but Sausages was the least offensive. Scott's was the worst IMO, i hated that heart surrounded by the yellow, with the two arrows through it. It just looked disjointed, with different elements all over that back, with no real thread tying them together.

The thing i really noticed was that tephey didn't give us home viewers a chance to look at the final pieces nearly as much as they have in the past, which makes me womder why? Were they all bad in their own way? Or was Scott's full of errors snd they didn't want to show them because the TV audience would have noticed them with a harder look?

I don't know. Sausage's back piece I liked the best, but when that woman moved her shoulder, the face distorted quite a bit and made the tattoo less appealing.

As far as Matti's piece went, I didn't really like the looks of it. The scales or whatever that was on the top of the piece, going across the top of the guy's back didn't make much sense to me. I am going to go to the website and see if i can get a better look at the 3 final tattoos.

All in all, I thought it was a terrible season, wrapped up with the worst final episode of the show, and the worst winner was crowned Ink Master.

My choice? It would have been Halo, but since he didn't make the finals (and he was robbed!), I think I would have had to give it to Sausage, even though he wasn't exactly my favorite artist.

And they announced the format for next season, which will be a "rivals" season. Already pre-designed drama, and I can't imagine sitting through an entire season of phony arguments, phony physical confrontations, constant head-shaking, eye-rolling, and manufactured drama.

Nope. Count me out for next year.

And I will concur with Hal Briston's sentiments.

I couldn't have said it better.

What an asshole that guy is. I would never go to him for a tattoo (not that i would anyway, but I'm speaking hypothetically). I wouldn't want that dick putting ink on my body.

Robot Arm
05-20-2014, 11:13 PM
Anyone watching this show?The one with the tattoo artists, right? I don't watch it, but let me know if they ever do a tattoo of an army of Hervé Villechaizes playing the bagpipes.

crypto
05-20-2014, 11:20 PM
I'm glad he got booed at the end. I was really rooting for Sausage.

Also, I don't know if they were nervous because it was live or if they just do a lot of takes on the regular show but it was pretty rough to watch. Especially Oliver, he took a lot of long pauses. Chris wasn't too bad and while Dave wasn't too bad, I suppose he has the most experience in front of a live audience and cameras, even if it isn't like this.

Agreed. The show was very choppy. I wish they would have made it 90 minutes, if not 2 hours. Dave had to cut off too many interesting conversations, but I really wanted more time with the three final canvases. I just didn't get a great look at any of them.

crypto
05-20-2014, 11:31 PM
Oh, and finally, WTF is with Oliver Peck and that stupid sigh he has to make with his hands? Does that mean something besides "I am a short, over 40 guy who has a strange attachment to toothpicks."?

Any idea what he does that for?

Joey P
05-20-2014, 11:45 PM
Agreed. The show was very choppy. I wish they would have made it 90 minutes, if not 2 hours. Dave had to cut off too many interesting conversations, but I really wanted more time with the three final canvases. I just didn't get a great look at any of them.

They could have made it 30 minutes. The conversations Dave cut off were the same arguments they've been having all season and since, ultimately, the judges picked the winner and not the Twitterverse, we didn't even need the show to be live. As for seeing the canvases, I agree we didn't get much time with them, but I just waited until they did a good closeup and paused it.

Also, I call BS on there being a 'hidden' Fibonacci Spiral (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/7/79/20060826023537!Fibonacci_spiral.svg) in Matti's Tattoo (http://spike.mtvnimages.com/mgid:file:gsp:spike-assets:/images/shows/inkmaster/season-4/photo-galleries/sitg_hires_template_finale_matti.jpg).

I think he has a 'sorta spiral' with small scales, going to bigger scales going to feathers that increase in size. But I'd be surprised (and maybe I'm wrong, I didn't measure it) if the ratio of each one of those, to the next one is 1:1.618, which is the golden ratio.

crypto
05-21-2014, 04:28 AM
They could have made it 30 minutes. The conversations Dave cut off were the same arguments they've been having all season and since, ultimately, the judges picked the winner and not the Twitterverse, we didn't even need the show to be live. As for seeing the canvases, I agree we didn't get much time with them, but I just waited until they did a good closeup and paused it.

Also, I call BS on there being a 'hidden' Fibonacci Spiral (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/7/79/20060826023537!Fibonacci_spiral.svg) in Matti's Tattoo (http://spike.mtvnimages.com/mgid:file:gsp:spike-assets:/images/shows/inkmaster/season-4/photo-galleries/sitg_hires_template_finale_matti.jpg).

I think he has a 'sorta spiral' with small scales, going to bigger scales going to feathers that increase in size. But I'd be surprised (and maybe I'm wrong, I didn't measure it) if the ratio of each one of those, to the next one is 1:1.618, which is the golden ratio.

Great point. However, the whole show would have lost its purpose.

Which would have been fine by me, FTR.

for instance, why do we need to see all the contestants again? That is just to discuss the season and rehash the same arguments, as you correctly point out. Bringing back Kyle Dunbar made me believe now more than ever that much of that was staged. Neither one of them appeared upset when it was happening. If you have ever seen or been in a real confrontation, usually one if not both people are shaking a bit, their adrenaline kicking in and kind of giving the person a jolt of speed. They quake a bit, and their voice tends to waver. When. I watched that confrontation episode again tonight, it just seemed very staged and phony. Dunbar, as unstable as he seemed, should have never been permitted on a set with Navarro if he was off. He could have taken him out on live TV if he wanted to! (Now THAT would have been memorable reality TV.)

And the twitter questions, with the reading of "hashtag" was tiresome. I despise twitter, and I really despise how they used it tonight. Also, I don't know what Taco Bell paid for their sponsorship, but to watch last year's winner do a tattoo live on the show was equally pointless.

There was a ton of unnecessary filler, and I agree it could have easily have been 30 minutes, with a good long look at each master canvas. I didn't think to tape it, but I believe it is on demand, so I will watch it and pause as you did on each tattoo and see which one is the best, IMO.

I also caught a few of the episodes from the season that they ran as a marathon before tonights final, and I could have sworn some of the head shaking was the same clip just cut out and pasted in different episodes. The show has taken on a whole new dimension of suck when it comes to manufactured drama/crap. I know people love that stuff, but I hate it.

There were also a couple of staged arguments that made me wonder if those people would be paired up for next season.

crypto
05-21-2014, 04:34 AM
Joey P, do you have all the pictures of each back like the one you kinked to?

That is a great picture, and I see so much more in that tattoo that I didn't see tonight. I'd love to see the other ones.

I will give my own critique of the tattoos after seeing them all.

And I agree, I don't see any fibonacci sequence.

Joey P
05-21-2014, 06:27 AM
Bringing back Kyle Dunbar made me believe now more than ever that much of that was staged. Neither one of them appeared upset when it was happening. If you have ever seen or been in a real confrontation, usually one if not both people are shaking a bit, their adrenaline kicking in and kind of giving the person a jolt of speed. They quake a bit, and their voice tends to waver.
The 35 hour master canvas piece took 3 months, add to that how many episode before that Kyle walked off and you can guess that he's been gone for 4-6 months. I wondered if he'd be shaking a little too, between how long he's been gone and the fact that the $100K is off the table and that they probably had him and Chris kiss and make up before the cameras even got turned on and I'm guess a lot of his rage is gone. This wasn't the episode to end up with a fistfight. If they wanted to, I'm sure they could have made it that way. Chris knew how to push his buttons. He could have just said something like "Hey man, most of your tattoos really sucked, we had to push you to do your best, you were only back because America wanted you back, not us", then they would have had a fight. OTOH, Jason and Josh clearly still looked like they wanted to rip each other's heads off.


Joey P, do you have all the pictures of each back like the one you kinked to?
They always put everything on their website:
http://www.spike.com/shows/ink-master/skin-in-the-game/h557zu/ink-master-live

crypto
05-21-2014, 08:47 AM
Thanks for the link.

My critique:

Obviously, they had a theme to work with, whatever it was, because the tattoos are too similar to have come from three separate brains. I don't know what the theme was, but I'll see if I can find it. I'm guessing something about bad relationships, with the torn out hearts and arrows through the heart.

But anyway -

I don't know enough about tattoos to judge them from any angle other than if I like it or not, and when I look at all three of these, they are too close quality-wise for me to make any definitive statements. They are all very good, IMO, quality-wise.

With that said,

Sausage - i like the coloring on his the best, as each element is very easy to figure out what it is supposed to be just on a quick glance. I am not a big fan of the woman's ribbon-like hair, and I don't like the angle in which her boobs seem to go off to the left, while the necklace is pointing straight down from her neck. To me, the mid-point of her shirt, and where her cleavage should be should line up closely with the dangling part of the necklace, and it doesn't. That makes the layout of her chest, head and necklace look "off" to my eye.

I am also not a big fan of that green and purple ribbon around her left hand holding the heart, and I don't like the way the heat looks, with that dark, gray-blue blob sitting on top of that bloody red mess.

I like the woman's face and eyes, and I love the bird with the yellow sun behind the head. I am not crazy about the blue outlining the sun and part of the bird and its wing, but I guess I can understand why he put it in. Without it, the sun might have faded in with the girl's back.

Scott - i dislike the coloring of this one right from the start. The green and orange with her hands and the snakes is not pleasant to look at, and I think he over-did the background shading. The butterflies, in particular, get lost in that shading, which is much too dark, especially between the girl's hand and face.

The heart looks anatomically correct (I think) and is the strongest element of this piece, but I don't care for the yellow-orange shading behind it. It makes it look like a stand-alone element that could have already been on this person's body, and. Ot part of his master canvas layout.

The girl's neck also looks too skinny for her hear, and i guess that is because the neck isn't finished. But it looks out of proportion to the size of her head.

I do like her eyes, i think he did a nice job capturing that vacant, soulless look he was going for. And the flower in her head is nicely done.

But I just don't like his color choices. Maybe it is me, but the reddish, blue/grayish shading in the girls face against the orange and green of the hands and snake don't stand out enough for me to know what I am looking at with a quick glance. The colors don't complement each other, but instead look like they clash to my eye.

Matti - when I first looked at this piece, I loved the top half of it. Then, when. I looked at the bottom, I couldn't figure out why he put a man's ass underneath the woman's face. Then I realized it was her chest! :smack: Her boob cleavage looked like the crack of a guys butt, and that made NO sense to me at all, but once my brain turned it around I figured out why it didn't look correct. The cleavage is in the right spot in relation to the woman's shoulder, but the woman's neck is twice as long as it should be, and it looks too muscular. The hair/shadowing make it look like there are neck muscles and an Adam's apple behind the snake head. The snake head is nice, but I hate the blue mouth. It makes that part of the tattoo look too dark and muddled. The body of the snake doesn't look realistic either, and it is almost crushed in half around her neck. And. I don't understand the red/yellow shading around the bottom of the snake. One of those things looked like a tentacle on an octopus's arm when I first looked at it.

I love the wing, and the feather work on this tattoo really stands out to me. Ot is my favorite part of any of the three tattoos. The only problem is, I don't know what it is connected to. And the red veil between the wing and the woman's head is nice, but again, it doesn't seem to have any purpose other than to separate the head from the wing.

All in all, they all have pros and cons, and if I had to pick an order, it would be Sausage, Matti and Scott, but the margins are very small.

I don't think my dislike of Scott skewed my critique, because the truth is, I really didn't care who won the show. His is just the most difficult to read, except for that crazy heart sitting in front of that yellow-orange shade blob.

Anyone else?

I'd especially like to hear from someone else and what they think of Scott's coloring. Especially if it didn't offend your eyes like it offended mine.

Joey P
05-21-2014, 09:17 AM
Something that might be really interesting one year is to have a panel of blind (to the artists) impartial judges to supplement all the other judging going on. This would be panel of judges that see only tattoos. After each session they get to look at the canvases, either in person or pictures and that pick best and worst (or rank them, whatever) and that's it. They don't know who did them, they never meet or even see the artists, they have no idea what kind of drama is going on in the studio...they just judge the artwork.

I'm sure Oliver and Chris would still decide on their own, but it might be nice to hear from someone that isn't making a decision just based on what else is going on.

Speaking of Oliver and Chris as much as I like them, it might be time to replace them.

levdrakon
05-21-2014, 09:28 AM
Because of this thread I watched the season 4 first ep on Youtube. It was entertaining as far as these types of shows go, but I don't understand why people would volunteer to have tattooists fuck up tattoos on them.

Joey P
05-21-2014, 09:36 AM
Because of this thread I watched the season 4 first ep on Youtube. It was entertaining as far as these types of shows go, but I don't understand why people would volunteer to have tattooists fuck up tattoos on them.

A)These are established tattoo artists. It's not like having Round 1 American Idol contestant singing at your birthday and you might get someone that's never sung before. These are all people that have been tattooing for years. I think the 'greenest' person on the show (Melissa IIRC) had been working for 5 years. Scott/Sausage/Matti had been at it for like 20.

B)It's a free tattoo and their 15 minutes.

amaguri
05-21-2014, 12:07 PM
Also, I call BS on there being a 'hidden' Fibonacci Spiral (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/archive/7/79/20060826023537!Fibonacci_spiral.svg) in Matti's Tattoo (http://spike.mtvnimages.com/mgid:file:gsp:spike-assets:/images/shows/inkmaster/season-4/photo-galleries/sitg_hires_template_finale_matti.jpg).


When he said that, I had myself a good long laugh.

I wasn't at all surprised by the winner.

The finale for this show has always been choppy as hell because, for whatever reason, none of the hosts/judges/contestants are able to speak fluidly in front of a live audience.

crypto
05-21-2014, 04:08 PM
Well, in Matti's defense, he DID say it was hidden. :dubious:

It was so well hidden, NO ONE could see it.

That was one of the goofiest things said all season. I honestly doubt he has any idea what a fibonacci sequence is.

One of the things i found humorous is when Scott was discovered to have copied that horse/knight piece, and when questioned about the layout by the critics, he was trying to explain why he placed the horse and rider like he did. No, you numbskull.... You placed it there the way you did because the guy who originally drew it put it that way.

What a bonehead.

I doubt the judges will leave on their own. My guess is this show has made them more money than tattooing ever had on its own, and Nunez and Peck know a good thing. The show has also increased the rate they can charge for their own tattoos.

Peck in particular sounds very dim. His explanations on his critics are always weak, as are his descriptions on the "theme" of each week's challenge. I know they have to come up with something, but what tattoo doesn't have "contrast" in it? Or strong line work, or saturation, or any other art "buzzword" they used? And my favorite, "adaptability". But the biggest thing that annoys me about Peck is his toothpick. That's pretty minor in the scheme of things. I can live with him.

Nunez, I like just because he is much blunter than most judges, which is always a good thing. Navarro is also likable, but I can't figure why he hosts the show. He HAS tattoos, but he doesn't draw them, does he?

I do like the idea of having an independent group of judges looking at the tattoos and judging them as a standalone piece, and not something tied to the drama and personal biases that the judges obviously have. The person that comes back the following year seems to alway be judged more harshly than the others.

With the format announced, I don't think they will have just one person coming back next year. My guess is Halo is coming back, because he seemed very calm about getting bounced at the end. And i can't remember who his nemesis was, but i am guessing whoever that was (and it can 't be one of the final 3) will also be back.

A bit off-topic, but I have watched a few episodes of tattoo nightmares, the cover up show that follows ink master, and Lorenzo Lamas came into the shop. I didn't recognize him until he opened his mouth.

Tamerlane
05-21-2014, 09:20 PM
I know they have to come up with something, but what tattoo doesn't have "contrast" in it? Or strong line work, or saturation, or any other art "buzzword" they used?

Actually I'll disagree a bit on this one. I was watching an earlier show idly for 20 minutes ( it was the geometric pattern contest ) and they showed pretty clearly where folks had screwed up the above items. Lines that wandered or were uneven, fades that looked choppy, colors that looked uneven in application, too much dark, not enough dark, lack of consistent three-dimensionality.

I think all of those are items worthy of criticism and I've seen almost all of those artists screw up here and there.

And my favorite, "adaptability".

But this one is pretty damn stupid - here I'll agree. Because you know how often are you and your identical twin going to demand simultaneously applied, perfectly matching tattoos done by 18 different artists at once. With a time limit.

Once, maybe :D.

Blaster Master
05-22-2014, 03:39 PM
I was also displeased with the finale. I felt like they gave the most favorable critique to Sausage. The two complaints I remember was one they admitted was very nitpicky, in the bird, and that his color wasn't saturated enough, even they didn't do anything to justify that comment because it looked fine to me. They made several legitimate negative critiques for Scott, including a few anatomical issues and how the tattoo ended. And if they really were as close as they said they were, then why didn't the tattoo that got the better critique win the guy the show?

I feel like the judges did a lot of moving of the goal posts this season, at one point sending two people home without announcing it, at another sending no one home. At points sending people home for the worst tattoo of the day, at another point sending people home for not having the body of work. As someone else said upthread, Scott did some jacked up tattoos in the last few episodes, his was definitely the worst Japanese one, but they moved the goalposts to keep him and get rid of Melissa, whose wasn't the best, but was better than at least two of them. I agree that the butterflies was weak, not because it was poorly done, I don't think it was, but for someone fighting to stay, he should have shown more effort. And, his cover-up failed as a cover up. It's not like it was just peaking through, it was straight up there.

As it was, Sausage was more consistent and turned in the better Master Canvas tattoo; he should have won. I would have liked to have seen Halo in the finals, probably in place of Scott. Scott just plain didn't deserve it. I still don't think Halo would have won, as much as I liked him, I felt like he was a little inconsistent, but he probably would have turned in one better than Matti or Scott.

I'm more disappointed because, even if I didn't always agree with their decisions, I always felt that the person who won in the end was the person who had not only performed the best in the season buy turned in the best Master Canvas.


And as for the viewer votes, in the past, the one with the least votes got eliminated. I'm wondering if they changed it prior to the live finale precisely because they knew if they didn't Scott would have gotten eliminated, since he clearly was the least favored by the fans.

And, I'm also not really sure about the whole rivals idea either. I watch the show because I want to see awesome art, not because of the drama. If they're going in the direction of pumping up the drama even more, I may not keep following.

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