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N9IWP 06-15-2019 01:41 PM

Veronica Mars season 4
 
Full trailer out now:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt0QuaQ0huk

Coming to Hulu -- it will premiere on Hulu on July 26, and the streaming platform will soon add all three original seasons (plus the 2013 movie) to its library in the leadup.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hulu
Spring breakers are getting murdered in Neptune, thereby decimating the seaside town’s lifeblood tourist industry. After Mars Investigations is hired by the family of one of the victims to find their son’s killer, Veronica is drawn into an epic eight-episode mystery that pits the enclave’s wealthy elites, who would rather put an end to the month-long bacchanalia, against a working class that relies on the cash influx that comes with being the West Coast’s answer to Daytona Beach

Brian

blondebear 06-15-2019 04:26 PM

I was a little disappointed in the movie but I'm all in for the new season. Looking forward to discussing it with any fellow marshmallows out there.

Darren Garrison 07-19-2019 11:10 PM

They released this a week early--available now.

Mahaloth 07-19-2019 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darren Garrison (Post 21760349)
They released this a week early--available now.

Oh, wow! Thanks!

blondebear 07-20-2019 12:09 AM

I know what I'll be binge watching tomorrow...wearing my "I Saved Veronica Mars" t-shirt, of course :cool:

SmartAleq 07-20-2019 12:14 AM

Oooh, sweet! I knew there was a reason my 12 week snooze on my Hulu account ran out last week. Yeah, tomorrow I have a date with the couch.

Lightnin' 07-20-2019 11:09 AM

For those of us in Canada-

It's... difficult... to get Hulu here in Canada, but Veronica Mars seasons 1-4 is on Crave. I'm glad, 'cause I really wasn't looking forward to having to set up a VPN and sign up for Hulu again.

blondebear 07-21-2019 09:58 PM

Well, as a long time fan, I have to say it was most enjoyable to spend the weekend with the old Neptune gang. It wasn't perfect and the "shocking" twist at the end was a bit of a downer, but overall I thought the new season was a worthy addition to the VM oeuvre. Lots of great dialogue; one of my favorite exchanges was between Veronica and her dad when he visits unexpectedly.

"What's with the drop in? I could've been having sex!"
"You're not married."

Happy Lendervedder 07-21-2019 10:46 PM

As someone who never watched VM before, but also as someone who is always looking for a good show to stream/binge, can y'all fill me in a bit?

I don't want to totally hijack the thread, but perhaps for us latecomers, maybe you could give us a summary:

What's the premise? What makes it so good? Why is it a big deal that there's now a season 4? What's with the movie? Are there any shows it's comparable to?

(And I know there are probably a shit-ton of things on the web that I could Google on this, but I come here for a reason; I don't want a shit-ton of info, I want the SDMB's skinny on this show, or at least good info that someone from the SDMB could point me to. TIA!).

E-DUB 07-21-2019 11:00 PM

Think of it as a 21st century Nancy Drew crossed with "Scenes from the Class Struggle" and you're getting there. Add snappy dialog and a great father/daughter dynamic and you're almost there. Now add some great character studies and you're pulling into the parking space. The first two seasons are the best. (Personal opinion, the "mystery" of Season 2 is better than that of Season 1).

Season 3 suffered from the dreaded "network interference" but was still OK.

The movie I haven't seen lately, but enough time had passed that it was like seeing some old friends.

Ditto season 4.

Mahaloth 07-21-2019 11:53 PM

I'm three episodes in and I have to say, it's great to see this show back. it really feels like the show, too, not just a forced attempt to drag out another old show/movie and try again.

I won't post any spoilers, but the core story is great and I absolutely am loving seeing Keith and Veronica on screen together again..

Darren Garrison 07-23-2019 09:55 PM

Binged the whole season today. I know one of the arguments in favor of the shorter seasons you get with streaming shows is that all the filler episodes are cut out, but this is one case where I really wish we had got a 22-26 episode season, even if 3/4ths were filler.

Mahaloth 07-24-2019 11:15 PM

We finished the season today. Absolutely loved it. I think it equaled seasons 1 and 2 of the original show and was better than season 3.

I will spoilerbox some thoughts and questions:

SPOILER:


1. Big Dick did arrange the first bombing, then? Patton Oswalt did the bombs after that?

2. I hated that Logan died. I do not think they left that open in any way to interpretation. I'm kind of surprised they went that way with it. That will definitely make the final moments of the season divisive for most people. I did not like it, but I don't think it sinks the whole season.



I would give the season an 8 out of 10. Loved it.

Happy Lendervedder 07-24-2019 11:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by E-DUB (Post 21762888)
Think of it as a 21st century Nancy Drew crossed with "Scenes from the Class Struggle" and you're getting there. Add snappy dialog and a great father/daughter dynamic and you're almost there. Now add some great character studies and you're pulling into the parking space. The first two seasons are the best. (Personal opinion, the "mystery" of Season 2 is better than that of Season 1).

Season 3 suffered from the dreaded "network interference" but was still OK.

The movie I haven't seen lately, but enough time had passed that it was like seeing some old friends.

Ditto season 4.

Thanks, we've begun S1.

blondebear 07-24-2019 11:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mahaloth (Post 21768822)
I will spoilerbox some thoughts and questions:


SPOILER:

2. I hated that Logan died. I do not think they left that open in any way to interpretation. I'm kind of surprised they went that way with it. That will definitely make the final moments of the season divisive for most people. I did not like it, but I don't think it sinks the whole season.



SPOILER:
In the articles I've read, Rob Thomas, if he has the chance to continue, wants to go in a more noir direction, and noir doesn't work well with a happy protagonist at its core. (Kind of reminiscent of Bosch's ex-wife getting killed in S4)

CairoCarol 07-25-2019 12:12 AM

I watched VM so long ago that I pretty much forget all of it. Do I need to go back and rewatch the old seasons or can I start fresh with Season 4?

Mahaloth 07-25-2019 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CairoCarol (Post 21768905)
I watched VM so long ago that I pretty much forget all of it. Do I need to go back and rewatch the old seasons or can I start fresh with Season 4?

Either way. It has references to to the older seasons, but they did a really good job not just making it all references with no new content or characters.

One person I think goes almost entirely unmentioned is Duncan Kane. Yes, they mention Lilly. They even mention Jake Kane. But Veronica's first love interest? Barely a name check. Even Piz gets one or two name drops.

Mr Shine 07-31-2019 11:45 AM

Pizza guy's final day machinations were way too Xanatos gambit for my taste, but in general I liked it and it was good to be back. I don't remember much about the film but I remember not being that happy with it. This felt like a real return to Neptune.

I'm not good with faces and I lost track a bit, who was the guy who shot the congressman? Was he one of the guys the Mexicans were supposed to shoot, and if so why wasn't he dead? If not was he a member of the same family?

Fair Rarity 07-31-2019 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Shine (Post 21780969)

I'm not good with faces and I lost track a bit, who was the guy who shot the congressman? Was he one of the guys the Mexicans were supposed to shoot, and if so why wasn't he dead? If not was he a member of the same family?

The Maloof family were the congressman's family. Maloof little brother was engaged to a girl with ... unsavory family. The surviving unsavory family member (the Mexican duo got one by Rep Maloof's orders, but not directly to do with the bombing) shot Rep Maloof and was taken out by Clarence. He escaped Estupido y Mas Estupido and that's why he wasn't dead.

Mr Shine 08-01-2019 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fair Rarity (Post 21782203)
The Maloof family were the congressman's family. Maloof little brother was engaged to a girl with ... unsavory family. The surviving unsavory family member (the Mexican duo got one by Rep Maloof's orders, but not directly to do with the bombing) shot Rep Maloof and was taken out by Clarence. He escaped Estupido y Mas Estupido and that's why he wasn't dead.

OK, so there was the video of both the brothers being shot about 6 times. Was that staged or did he somehow survive that?

Mr Shine 08-01-2019 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Shine (Post 21782751)
OK, so there was the video of both the brothers being shot about 6 times. Was that staged or did he somehow survive that?

OK just checked it back, there were only 2 shots each, and he shows up at the end of the episode with 2 bullet wounds, spotted by quad guy. I don't really believe the Mexicans would possibly fail to kill in that situation, but at least I understand the plot flow now :)

iamthewalrus(:3= 08-23-2019 01:21 PM

The redneck family was easily the worst-executed part of the season. Completely one-dimensional. Their daughter/sister died but all they care about is the ring? Veronica Mars is usually so good at writing well-rounded characters, even the bad guys. I also thought the Sheriff was a bit under-written. Lamb was a much better foil.

I was also upset at the ending, but it was probably the right choice for future storytelling.

I absolutely loved the exchange between Veronica and Keith where they're both using very silly old-timey noir-detective slang. I can't remember any of it but it was great.

Declan 08-23-2019 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blondebear (Post 21768886)
SPOILER:
In the articles I've read, Rob Thomas, if he has the chance to continue, wants to go in a more noir direction, and noir doesn't work well with a happy protagonist at its core. (Kind of reminiscent of Bosch's ex-wife getting killed in S4)

SPOILER:
I think thats a bit revisionist of him, from what I heard he did not expect to get a season 5 so he wrote off logan, and said it was his biggest gamble. The only confirmation we got that the character was dead was kristen bell and a few others posting that V had seen and identified the body etc.

Reality was that Logan was in Naval inteligence, and Kit Harrington swore that Jon Snow was dead so my trust in what the actors say is a bit strained. I can see bringing him back and V kept in the dark for reasons.

Mahaloth 08-23-2019 05:37 PM

My thoughts on the season ending twist:

SPOILER:
I'm not upset that Logan is gone. Now, Veronica can move on to Piz or possibly Deputy Leo, both of whom are better than Logan.

N9IWP 08-23-2019 07:11 PM

Must ... Not .... Open ... Spoiler ...

Brian

Darren Garrison 08-23-2019 10:05 PM

After watching season four, I went back and rewatched the first three seasons, the movie, then season four again. The series managed to avoid the Suck Fairy.


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