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Bijou Drains 05-22-2019 01:52 PM

19 year old Florida pitcher headed to Japan , not MLB
 
He will make more money playing in Japan . He could return to the US as a free agent in 7 years.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/2...ft-upside-down

( sorry the thread title is wrong but I cannot fix it. old should be before Florida)

Gray Ghost 05-22-2019 02:07 PM

Free agent at 25 versus 28 is huge. 28 would be the best case, according to the Passan article. An MLB team is much more likely to open up the checkbook on a long-term deal for a 25 year old pitcher, than a 28 year old. Though MLB is long overdue for having yet another wide reaching collusion suit against the owners.

I love what he's doing. I hope he makes it.

Sir T-Cups 05-22-2019 02:16 PM

This is definitely a smarter route to go and just as good as going to the minors.

HS basketball players should play overseas instead of going to college too.

Bijou Drains 05-22-2019 03:12 PM

we had a local kid who was in HS and passed the GED so he put his name in the MLB draft. Nobody knew he was eligible so he went undrafted and was a free agent. Nobody signed him so he went to college and then was drafted 3 years later. MLB closed that loophole.

Chronos 05-22-2019 04:55 PM

[Moderating]

I had to re-read the thread title three times before I saw the typo, but I fixed it.

Fleetwood 05-23-2019 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bijou Drains (Post 21657266)
we had a local kid who was in HS and passed the GED so he put his name in the MLB draft. Nobody knew he was eligible so he went undrafted and was a free agent. Nobody signed him so he went to college and then was drafted 3 years later. MLB closed that loophole.

What loophole?

Barkis is Willin' 05-23-2019 08:12 AM

This kid is in a kind of unique situation in that his potential is good enough to command such a contract from Japan, but he wasn't going to get the best signing bonus based on possible injury. If the Braves would have offered him the "normal" signing bonus for the #8 overall pick last year, he would have signed. So, this is the right move for him. But it's not the right move for most 19 year old baseball phenoms.

As for high school basketball phenoms, I 100% agree they should play overseas or in some kind of pro league so we can get rid of this one and done college basketball nonsense.

Red Wiggler 05-23-2019 08:29 AM

One thing that would help ameliorate the negative effects of one and done is simply to recognize college athletes' full economic liberties.

Sir T-Cups 05-23-2019 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Wiggler (Post 21658274)
One thing that would help ameliorate the negative effects of one and done is simply to recognize college athletes' full economic liberties.

I'm not that smart...is what you said basically a fancy version of "pay the players"? Because paying the players is not the answer to college athletics at all and wouldn't work the way most advocates of paying the players think it will.

I gave my suggestion because I really hate the one and done rule. If you're good enough to play right out of high school, why not just play?

Red Wiggler 05-23-2019 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sir T-Cups (Post 21658527)
I'm not that smart...is what you said basically a fancy version of "pay the players"? Because paying the players is not the answer to college athletics at all and wouldn't work the way most advocates of paying the players think it will.

I gave my suggestion because I really hate the one and done rule. If you're good enough to play right out of high school, why not just play?

If players could make money during their college careers, -- NOTE: this is not the same thing as "paying the players"-- then more of them might play longer for their schools.

But, yes, "paying the players" might not be the "answer" to college athletics if we don't even know what the question is. What is it? The one problem that is easy to identify, however, is that college athletes are denied the rights that everyone else in the country have concerning their incomes and this can be solved without damaging the schools and/or their sports programs.

Bijou Drains 05-23-2019 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fleetwood (Post 21658155)
What loophole?

the loophole was you could get a GED and apply for the MLB draft and not tell anyone you are in the draft. then you become a free agent when nobody drafts you. Scott Boras the agent in this article is the same guy who found the now closed loophole

RickJay 05-23-2019 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bijou Drains (Post 21658656)
the loophole was you could get a GED and apply for the MLB draft and not tell anyone you are in the draft. then you become a free agent when nobody drafts you. Scott Boras the agent in this article is the same guy who found the now closed loophole

I don't think it's the responsibility of the player to tell anyone he's in the draft.

MLB had other reasons, to be honest, to get rid of the GED allowance. Bryce Harper famously used a GED specifically to get into the draft a year earlier.

Barkis is Willin' 05-23-2019 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Wiggler (Post 21658589)
If players could make money during their college careers, -- NOTE: this is not the same thing as "paying the players"-- then more of them might play longer for their schools.

But, yes, "paying the players" might not be the "answer" to college athletics if we don't even know what the question is. What is it? The one problem that is easy to identify, however, is that college athletes are denied the rights that everyone else in the country have concerning their incomes and this can be solved without damaging the schools and/or their sports programs.

I hate to hijack, because this is probably another thread topic, but the NCAA is so badly broken I think it should just be completely abolished. And I love college sports, but the level of "cheating" and plain unethical behavior that has gone on since the very formation of the NCAA puts organized crime to shame.

Bijou Drains 05-23-2019 01:36 PM

NCAA is corrupt just like the IOC and FIFA and probably a lot of other sports groups .

This is the guy who used the GED loophole which was 10 years before Harper was was drafted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landon_Powell His only claim to fame is he was a catcher for a perfect game . Was a backup catcher for just 3 seasons in Oakland.

Red Wiggler 05-23-2019 02:00 PM

If all the schools cheat it might just be because the rules suck.

Sir T-Cups 05-24-2019 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Wiggler (Post 21658589)
If players could make money during their college careers, -- NOTE: this is not the same thing as "paying the players"-- then more of them might play longer for their schools.

But, yes, "paying the players" might not be the "answer" to college athletics if we don't even know what the question is. What is it? The one problem that is easy to identify, however, is that college athletes are denied the rights that everyone else in the country have concerning their incomes and this can be solved without damaging the schools and/or their sports programs.

Ah ok...thank you for clarifying. I quite agree

I think it's a slippery slope between "pay the players" and "let the players get paid", but I do like the latter of the two choices better....if it could work.

Bijou Drains 05-24-2019 12:36 PM

college FB and BB are the only billion dollar businesses where the key employees don't get paid.

Bijou Drains 05-28-2019 12:25 PM

a top ranked BB player is skipping college hoops to play in New Zealand

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...aland-pro-team

ElvisL1ves 05-28-2019 02:18 PM

How are the Ball brothers doing in Lithuania?

Bijou Drains 05-29-2019 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElvisL1ves (Post 21667130)
How are the Ball brothers doing in Lithuania?

they left there over a year ago. That was a short term deal. they are all back in the US now . Oldest plays for the Lakers. the other 2 play for the team their father started in LA area.

enalzi 05-31-2019 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bijou Drains (Post 21669488)
they left there over a year ago. That was a short term deal. they are all back in the US now . Oldest plays for the Lakers. the other 2 play for the team their father started in LA area.

To clarify, Lonzo, the eldest who plays for the Lakers, never played in Europe. He went to UCLA.

nightshadea 05-31-2019 04:16 PM

heres a story saying Japan could be a "competitive alternative" to the minors for some people and makes an argument for redoing the farm system all together https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb...aIY?li=BBnbfcL

russian heel 05-31-2019 11:52 PM

19 year old Florida pitcher headed to Japan , not MLB
 
The way minor league players are treated is disgusting. Low pay, substandard living conditions and it’s a system created by MLB openers to not pay fair money and perpetrated by the MLB players union because big leaguers have this macho and political view of the “Big Show” and want to make it as hard as possible for minor leaguers to make it to their level.

Good for him. He found a way to bypass an unfair system and guarantee himself at the very least financial security for the rest of his life, at the very best a chance to make even more money at MLB at the peak of his skills.


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