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dalej42 01-23-2020 01:07 PM

January 23 2019: the remarkable rise of Pete Buttigieg
 
One year ago today I woke up in a Washington DC hotel room and saw mentions of a candidate announcement from Pete Buttigieg. I thought it was cute, I knew about Pete from the DNC chair race as well as his coming out story made the Chicago LGBT media. I sure didnít expect to amount to anything except perhaps the first openly LGBT candidate making one of the early debates.

That story was completely crowded out by the ongoing government shutdown.

Now, one year later, it is the most amazing American political story of the modern era. Pete came from absolutely nowhere to be a leading candidate for president. On January 23 2019, everyone knew who Bernie Sanders, Elizabeth Warren and Joe Biden were. Pete has set fundraising records and didnít start with a massive donor list like the other candidates. Even Cory Booker and Kamala Harris had Senate campaign donor lists as well as coverage during the recent Kavanaugh hearings.

Hereís Peteís announcement from a year ago:
https://twitter.com/petebuttigieg/st...718874112?s=21

Pete may not get the nomination but the past year has definitely been amazing. Donald Trump may not have had any political experience but he entered the race also with 100% name recognition.

Iowa is in less than two weeks and heís got as good of a chance as winning as the rest of the big 4.

iiandyiiii 01-23-2020 01:21 PM

I like Pete okay, and I'll happily support him if he wins the nomination (though he's not my first pick), but "the most amazing American political story of the modern era" is just a wee-bit premature. He hasn't won anything yet. If he ends up winning the nomination and the Presidency, then yes, he'll be up there as one of "the most amazing American political stories of the modern era" (up there with Obama and, unfortunately, Trump). If he doesn't win Iowa and drops out after Super Tues (and doesn't get picked as Veep), then Pete will be a footnote in the story of 2020. We'll see.

But no matter how he does in this election, Pete's obviously a very talented young Democrat and has a very bright future in the party and in US politics. Assuming he doesn't win this time, I hope he runs for Senator or Governor of Indiana, and then he'd be in prime position to run for Prez again later.

dalej42 01-23-2020 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iiandyiiii (Post 22096745)
I like Pete okay, and I'll happily support him if he wins the nomination (though he's not my first pick), but "the most amazing American political story of the modern era" is just a wee-bit premature. He hasn't won anything yet. If he ends up winning the nomination and the Presidency, then yes, he'll be up there as one of "the most amazing American political stories of the modern era" (up there with Obama and, unfortunately, Trump). If he doesn't win Iowa and drops out after Super Tues (and doesn't get picked as Veep), then Pete will be a footnote in the story of 2020. We'll see.

But no matter how he does in this election, Pete's obviously a very talented young Democrat and has a very bright future in the party and in US politics. Assuming he doesn't win this time, I hope he runs for Senator or Governor of Indiana, and then he'd be in prime position to run for Prez again later.

Iíd expect that if he doesnít get the nomination or a cabinet position in a Democratic administration, he might actually move out of state. Chasten can probably get a teaching position in a blue state and I donít think Pete has a path ahead in bright red Indiana.

I think it is still an amazing story, 0% name recognition to where he is today.

Thing Fish 01-23-2020 01:37 PM

It was a pretty remarkable rise. Three months after his announcement, he was polling at 7% and had moved into third place in the 538 polling average. Sadly for dale's narrative, it's now ten months later and he's still at 7%. He's been in fourth place since mid-May and is only a few tenths of a percent from falling into fifth behind Bloomberg. His support among minorities is basically zero.

Thing Fish 01-23-2020 01:55 PM

Also, Nate Silver's current estimates of each candidate's chances of winning Iowa:

Biden 36%, Sanders 23%, Buttigieg 19%, Warren 18%.

It's not impossible that he might win Iowa, and if he did it's plausible that that would give him momentum and lead to more wins. So his chances of becoming President, despite his anemic national polling numbers, aren't quite zero. But they certainly aren't close to being as good as Biden's, Sanders' or even Warren's.

ISiddiqui 01-23-2020 02:19 PM

OMG, he's doubling down on this. He basically topped out nationally at 10% in early December and has been falling from that. He's not even as impressive as Howard Dean at this point, right?

dalej42 01-23-2020 02:24 PM

The campaign has put all their eggs into IA and NH there’s no doubt about it. It’s a smart strategy because I think only one of Pete or Warren survives the first 3 with a realistic path. As of now, it looks like Biden has a lock on SC.

The last DMR poll comes out Saturday, that’ll tell a lot.

dalej42 01-23-2020 02:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalej42 (Post 22096848)
The campaign has put all their eggs into IA and NH thereís no doubt about it. Itís a smart strategy because I think only one of Pete or Warren survives the first 3 with a realistic path. As of now, it looks like Biden has a lock on SC.

The last DMR poll comes out Saturday, thatíll tell a lot.

Correction: the last poll comes out February 1.

dalej42 02-06-2020 10:20 PM

And we win Iowa! Yes, I agree Iowa was a clusterfuck and it’s basically a tie with Sanders.

But, the title of the this thread is The Remarkable Rise of Pete Buttigieg. I think it is a fair statement to say that those who caucused on Monday all knew about Biden/Bernie/Warren on February 3 2019. No one knew about Pete. I don’t know if he will win this nomination or not, but this is one hell of a success story in American politics.

Wesley Clark 02-06-2020 11:02 PM

Bernie Sanders rise from anonymity in 2015 to becoming a meaningful challenger to Hillary Clinton in the primary was more inspirational. That was a true dark horse candidate. Sanders has empowered the democratic base and given voice to the voiceless. Obama's rise was inspirational but I feel Sanders was moreso.

I would be happy to vote for Buttigieg for president, but he doesn't seem to have a lot of substance other than being non-threatening and good at debate. He changes his opinions based on what he needs to say to win. When he was unkonwn he seemed to take the progressive side, but then he tried to become a moderate as a younger, smarter alternative to Biden and his agenda changed. Granted, being smart enough to read a room and change tactics isn't a negative. But I don't know how hard he would fight as president for his agenda.

Either way, Pete is talented and win or not he has a good future in politics ahead of him. However I agree with OP, he has no future in Indiana. He will never become governor or senator in this red state. He will have to try for a different office (probably a cabinet position if he loses the primary).

Thing Fish 02-06-2020 11:06 PM

I mean, obviously I agree that Bernie is more inspirational, but as far as sudden rises, really, Buttigieg is more impressive. Bernie didn’t have great name recognition nationwide, but when a US Senator runs for President, voters and the media are going to take him at least somewhat seriously. Mayor of South Bend? Not so much.

dalej42 02-06-2020 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesley Clark (Post 22125019)
Bernie Sanders rise from anonymity in 2015 to becoming a meaningful challenger to Hillary Clinton in the primary was more inspirational. That was a true dark horse candidate. Sanders has empowered the democratic base and given voice to the voiceless. Obama's rise was inspirational but I feel Sanders was moreso.

I would be happy to vote for Buttigieg for president, but he doesn't seem to have a lot of substance other than being non-threatening and good at debate. He changes his opinions based on what he needs to say to win. When he was unkonwn he seemed to take the progressive tactic, but then he tried to become a younger, smarter alternative to Biden and his agenda changed.

I fully admit Iím anti-Sanders to the core but I donít really think he was unknown. Heís been in congress since 1990 and that election certainly made news as a socialist got elected. With the rise of social media, especially YouTube and Facebook, there were plenty of Bernie speeches on the senate floor out there.

Bernie was never a John McCain or a Bob Dole with 100% name recognition. But, I think among those who vote in Democratic primaries, he wasnít exactly unknown.

Wesley Clark 02-06-2020 11:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thing Fish (Post 22125028)
I mean, really, Buttigieg is more impressive. Bernie didn’t have great name recognition nationwide, but when a US Senator runs for President, people are going to take him at least somewhat seriously. Mayor of South Bend? Not so much.

A lot of senators and a lot of mayors have run and gotten nowhere though.

Buttigieg, even if he wins, will not help build a grassroots political movement and give voice to people who have felt ignored by their own party for years.

Either way, Either one of them would make a good president.

dalej42 02-06-2020 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thing Fish (Post 22125028)
I mean, obviously I agree that Bernie is more inspirational, but as far as sudden rises, really, Buttigieg is more impressive. Bernie didnít have great name recognition nationwide, but when a US Senator runs for President, voters and the media are going to take him at least somewhat seriously. Mayor of South Bend? Not so much.

Wow, we actually agree on something!! And Iíd say the same thing if the mayor of Burlington, VT had just won (or tied) in the Iowa caucuses. If Pete was one of the senators from Indiana, him winning Iowa might be a surprise but not one of the greatest rises in modern American politics.

As great as Obama was, everyone knew that 2004 keynote speech and he was a senator from Illinois. Had he been the mayor of Champaign, Illinois, it would have been a different story.

Translucent Daydream 02-07-2020 08:55 AM

It seems to me a lot of the same things that are getting sad about mayor Pete now were said about Obama in 2007. I’m not saying he’s an Obama or anything but he seems like the one that would be the best next door neighbor.

QuickSilver 02-07-2020 09:21 AM

Buttegieg did well in the town hall yesterday. Don't think he put a foot wrong. He rarely does. I would be very happy to see him win the nomination and I think he would be far more effective as a contrast to Trump than Bernie or Joe.

That said, Bernie did exceptionally well, too. It's hard not to like the guy.

RTFirefly 02-08-2020 05:11 PM

He was for Medicare for All on January 23, 2019. He was in favor of adding more Justices to the Supreme Court on January 23, 2019.

Any other big positions he plans to abandon, and then attack or ridicule those who still hold them, between now and January 23, 2021?

Guy's so wet behind the ears, he can't even decide who he wants to pretend to be for more than a few months at a time.

Wesley Clark 02-08-2020 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTFirefly (Post 22128043)
He was for Medicare for All on January 23, 2019. He was in favor of adding more Justices to the Supreme Court on January 23, 2019.

Any other big positions he plans to abandon, and then attack or ridicule those who still hold them, between now and January 23, 2021?

Guy's so wet behind the ears, he can't even decide who he wants to pretend to be for more than a few months at a time.

I'm guessing he figured the progressive vote was locked up for Bernie & Warren, so he tried to become the alternative to Biden.

RioRico 02-08-2020 09:02 PM

I'm less than excited about Mayor Pete because McKinsey.

Mayors aren't elected U.S. President without a few other political posts on top. Andrew Johnson. Grover Cleveland. Calvin Coolidge. Those are the lot. Pete's best shot at the hotseat is to make Veep first.

Lamoral 02-08-2020 09:28 PM

People with no government experience at all don't usually become President. Secular loudmouth womanizers from New York City don't usually carry the Bible Belt. Things are possible now that weren't possible before, for better or worse.

dalej42 02-08-2020 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamoral (Post 22128389)
People with no government experience at all don't usually become President. Secular loudmouth womanizers from New York City don't usually carry the Bible Belt. Things are possible now that weren't possible before, for better or worse.

Bill Clinton admitted smoking marijuana but didn’t inhale. Obama admitted he did inhale. Bush/Cheney were the first all DUI team running for the party of law and order.

The sample size is just amazingly small. I’m sure there would have been threads about Carter being too inexperienced had the SDMB been around back then. And, they may have had a point. While Carter did serve a single term as governor of Georgia, southern governors are notoriously weak. Most of their time is spent with ribbon cutting and take a picture (not a selfie in 1976) with the high school football champs.

RioRico 02-08-2020 11:15 PM

Of the three who had been mayors, A.Johnson and C.Coolidge had run small cities - and succeeded to the White House after assassinations. Only G.Cleveland (of Buffalo NY, a major city then) was elected into the presidency.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamoral (Post 22128389)
People with no government experience at all don't usually become President. Secular loudmouth womanizers from New York City don't usually carry the Bible Belt. Things are possible now that weren't possible before, for better or worse.

The electoral system wasn't so broken and rigged before. Russian campaign tampering wasn't so intensive before. Fewer legislators were foreign assets before. Yes, much has changed.

Wesley Clark 02-08-2020 11:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamoral (Post 22128389)
People with no government experience at all don't usually become President. Secular loudmouth womanizers from New York City don't usually carry the Bible Belt. Things are possible now that weren't possible before, for better or worse.

The voters of the republican party and the voters of the democratic party are not the same people though. We aren't comfortable with the same things they are comfortable with (rape*, treason, pedophilia, incompetence, dementia, etc).

*we did somewhat overlook this issue with the clintons though.

Lamoral 02-08-2020 11:34 PM

Ah yes, rape, treason, pedophilia, dementia, only being a mayor and not a Senator or Vice President - all definitely comparable attributes of a presidential candidate.

Velocity 02-08-2020 11:52 PM

Buttigieg and Bernie supporters shouting each other verbally in New Hampshire: "Buttigieg won" vs "Bernie won" (about Iowa)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/sanders-b...040944763.html

The Other Waldo Pepper 02-09-2020 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RioRico (Post 22128494)
Of the three who had been mayors, A.Johnson and C.Coolidge had run small cities - and succeeded to the White House after assassinations. Only G.Cleveland (of Buffalo NY, a major city then) was elected into the presidency.

Werenít they, respectively, Governor of Tennessee, and Governor of Massachusetts, and Governor of New York?

Bijou Drains 02-09-2020 05:52 AM

I think he does like H. Clinton and moves to a place he has a better shot at winning for the house or senate. He could win a safe Dem seat in Indiana but probably not Gov. or Senate.

dalej42 02-09-2020 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bijou Drains (Post 22128694)
I think he does like H. Clinton and moves to a place he has a better shot at winning for the house or senate. He could win a safe Dem seat in Indiana but probably not Gov. or Senate.

If he doesnít win the nomination and the Dems donít win the presidency, I predict that Chasten takes a teaching job in a blue state and they move. Heís already finished his two terms and theyíre so young it wouldnít be blatant carpetbagging.

nightshadea 02-09-2020 11:41 AM

this is a rather interesting story about what he did before politics .....
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/comp...N&ocid=SK2DDHP

If he uses the connections that the story makes it sound like he has even if he doesn't win anything now he will lin the future

Thing Fish 02-09-2020 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalej42 (Post 22128883)
If he doesnít win the nomination and the Dems donít win the presidency, I predict that Chasten takes a teaching job in a blue state and they move. Heís already finished his two terms and theyíre so young it wouldnít be blatant carpetbagging.

Oh, it would totally be blatant carpetbagging, but hey, it worked for Hillary. I think if he finds a landing spot with lots of white moderates and no Dem incumbent he could pull it off.

RTFirefly 02-10-2020 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete Buttigieg
“The time has come for my party to get a lot more comfortable owning this issue [deficit/debt]... It’s not fashionable in progressive circles to talk too much about the debt.”

Source.

Dear Mayor Pete:

Jimmy Carter shrunk the deficit. (Before Buttigieg was born.)
Reagan blew up the deficit to pass tax cuts. (Ditto.)
Bush the Elder raised taxes, and all but got drummed out of the party because of it. (When Buttigieg was in elementary school.)
Clinton not only shrunk the deficit, he balanced the freakin' budget for four years straight. (This happened when Buttigieg was in high school. He should at least have some dim memory of this.)
Dubya cut taxes on the rich and blew up the deficit again. (While Buttigieg was at Harvard.)
Obama, despite having to deal with the worst recession since the Great Depression, reduced the deficit on his watch. (While Buttigieg was mayor.)
Trump cut taxes almost entirely on rich people, and blew up the deficit again. (Ditto.)

Over and over and over again, Dems don't spend money on stuff that would actually make people's lives better, because they're cleaning up after the elephants.

There's a motherfucking reason why it's not 'fashionable' for progressives to talk about deficits. It's because the Dems have been the more fiscally responsible party for forty freakin' years, and all it gets us is handcuffing ourselves from doing other things that might actually benefit people, and losing elections.

If Mayor Pete wants to take us through yet one more cycle of this absurdity, he can go fuck himself. With good old Midwestern heartland farm implements.

RTFirefly 02-10-2020 08:14 AM

And (same link, scroll down):
Quote:

Pete Buttigieg gets a question about how he’d deal with Mitch McConnell and a Republican Senate.

His Plan A: Flip the Senate

His Plan B: Work w/ GOP in good faith and if that fails use Air Force One to travel the country and call them out
Re Plan A: remember everything Obama was able to get through the Senate with a 59-41 majority? Flipping the Senate is a necessary condition, but it's far from sufficient. I give this plan an Incomplete.

Re Plan B: LOLOLOL. Man, I'd like to be in the alternate universe where this had a snowball's chance of working.

CarnalK 02-10-2020 08:39 AM

Well, I know it's missing "ask the senate to please change their rules and kill the filibuster" but there really isn't a great answer to that question.

E-DUB 02-10-2020 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CarnalK (Post 22130365)
Well, I know it's missing "ask the senate to please change their rules and kill the filibuster" but there really isn't a great answer to that question.

Might as well say you'll send the flying monkeys after them.

Wesley Clark 02-10-2020 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTFirefly (Post 22130295)
Source.

Dear Mayor Pete:

Jimmy Carter shrunk the deficit. (Before Buttigieg was born.)
Reagan blew up the deficit to pass tax cuts. (Ditto.)
Bush the Elder raised taxes, and all but got drummed out of the party because of it. (When Buttigieg was in elementary school.)
Clinton not only shrunk the deficit, he balanced the freakin' budget for four years straight. (This happened when Buttigieg was in high school. He should at least have some dim memory of this.)
Dubya cut taxes on the rich and blew up the deficit again. (While Buttigieg was at Harvard.)
Obama, despite having to deal with the worst recession since the Great Depression, reduced the deficit on his watch. (While Buttigieg was mayor.)
Trump cut taxes almost entirely on rich people, and blew up the deficit again. (Ditto.)

Over and over and over again, Dems don't spend money on stuff that would actually make people's lives better, because they're cleaning up after the elephants.

There's a motherfucking reason why it's not 'fashionable' for progressives to talk about deficits. It's because the Dems have been the more fiscally responsible party for forty freakin' years, and all it gets us is handcuffing ourselves from doing other things that might actually benefit people, and losing elections.

If Mayor Pete wants to take us through yet one more cycle of this absurdity, he can go fuck himself. With good old Midwestern heartland farm implements.

Yup, exactly. Sounds like he was playing into the right wing narrative that the GOP cuts the deficit and democrats increase it, which is the opposite of reality.

Democrats are willing to raise taxes, which is necessary to cutting the deficit. The deficit was down to 2% of GDP near the end of Obama's second term. Now with Trump's tax cuts and spending programs on the military its up to 5%.

CarnalK 02-10-2020 09:47 AM

Talking after that rally, he specifically says that the Dems have shrunk the deficit and Repubs have grown it. I think a more charitable interpretation is that he is talking optics.
O'Donnell response with a little more than a one line tweet quote:
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/lawrence...mpression=true

ISiddiqui 02-10-2020 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thing Fish (Post 22129501)
Oh, it would totally be blatant carpetbagging, but hey, it worked for Hillary. I think if he finds a landing spot with lots of white moderates and no Dem incumbent he could pull it off.

He may be successful in a purple state against a beleaguered GOP Senator. Something like how Colorado is this year. Or Pennsylvania in 2022 against Pat Toomey?

Thing Fish 02-10-2020 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ISiddiqui (Post 22130650)
He may be successful in a purple state against a beleaguered GOP Senator. Something like how Colorado is this year. Or Pennsylvania in 2022 against Pat Toomey?

I'd want to see him show some more appeal to minority voters before I'd be comfortable with him running in those States. Maybe Iowa, it's only a couple States over and they seem to like him there. I don't think he'd have a great chance of winning a Statewide race in Illinois, but there are certainly a bunch of Congressional districts Downstate he'd be a good fit for.

ISiddiqui 02-10-2020 11:14 AM

I don't think he beats Joni Ernst though.

dalej42 02-17-2020 03:40 PM

A very long, but excellent, article on Buttigieg written by one of his college professors.
https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/reading-buttigieg

Wesley Clark 02-17-2020 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalej42 (Post 22144202)
A very long, but excellent, article on Buttigieg written by one of his college professors.
https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/reading-buttigieg

That was an extremely good article. I had to use a speed reading app to get through it all since it was 8000+ words but it was a very good picture of what Buttigieg actually stands for.

I'll vote for whomever the democrats nominate, but if Buttigieg actually gets the nomination I'd say I'm more excited to vote for him than I was before reading that.

But, I must say, that Buttigieg is right that we've basically been put into a bind where the democrats are basically just neo-liberal republican lite and lots of democrats do not like that choice, and they don't like the lack of a positive national vision from democrats. But that is why Sanders is so popular. Sanders is presenting this narrative as an alternative to the neoliberal republican-lite politics most of us have come to expect from the democratic party. I can understand why Pete did a major paper on Sanders because of this, but with Sanders already as the transformative candidate rejecting neoliberalism I guess Buttigieg had to present himself as the voice of a new generation instead as that lane was taken by Sanders and Warren.

I voted in the 2010 Indiana elections. I don't remember voting for treasurer, but I tend to vote pretty much straight democratic so I'm sure I voted for Pete in 2010, despite not remembering him from that election. I hope he has a meaningful role in the future of the democratic party. However there is no future for him in Indiana, which is basically a southern state in the north (senators, governors and other statewide office all tend to go republican here). He may want to focus on behind the scenes work with narratives and how to portray the party on a national level, being involved in executive level cabinet positions, etc. if his plan to run for president doesn't pan out.

Socsback 02-17-2020 05:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTFirefly (Post 22130295)
Source.

Dear Mayor Pete:

Jimmy Carter shrunk the deficit. (Before Buttigieg was born.)
Reagan blew up the deficit to pass tax cuts. (Ditto.)
Bush the Elder raised taxes, and all but got drummed out of the party because of it. (When Buttigieg was in elementary school.)
Clinton not only shrunk the deficit, he balanced the freakin' budget for four years straight. (This happened when Buttigieg was in high school. He should at least have some dim memory of this.)
Dubya cut taxes on the rich and blew up the deficit again. (While Buttigieg was at Harvard.)
Obama, despite having to deal with the worst recession since the Great Depression, reduced the deficit on his watch. (While Buttigieg was mayor.)
Trump cut taxes almost entirely on rich people, and blew up the deficit again. (Ditto.)

Over and over and over again, Dems don't spend money on stuff that would actually make people's lives better, because they're cleaning up after the elephants.

There's a motherfucking reason why it's not 'fashionable' for progressives to talk about deficits. It's because the Dems have been the more fiscally responsible party for forty freakin' years, and all it gets us is handcuffing ourselves from doing other things that might actually benefit people, and losing elections.

If Mayor Pete wants to take us through yet one more cycle of this absurdity, he can go fuck himself. With good old Midwestern heartland farm implements.

It might be helpful to consider the entire context of this statement, rather than just spewing rage all over the internet.

His point is that we need to find money to provide social services, which will be more manageable if we control the debt. He also points out that Democrats have historically done a better job of controlling the debt than Republicans have, and blames the current debt entirely on Trump.

He's right. We SHOULD be discussing this, and if a Democrat is going to be in the White House, they will have to address it.

QuickSilver 02-18-2020 09:16 PM

Buttigieg is head and shoulders above Sanders and Klobuchar in the townhall. Always smart. Always consistent.

SuntanLotion 02-19-2020 01:18 PM

I saw a clip of him being asked what if the president brings up "family values"? he said hes never cheated on his husband or paid someone to keep quiet about an affair. Good for him!
https://www.businessinsider.com/butt...rn-star-2020-2

Elendil's Heir 02-24-2020 08:58 AM

I saw Mayor Pete speak at a suburban Cleveland library about a year ago and liked what I saw - smart, funny, low-key, quick on his feet. His best line: asked about his electability, he said, "I think I have the ex-Navy small-town-mayor gay Episcopalian Maltese-American lane pretty much locked up."

That said, moving from South Bend city hall to the White House is quite a leap, he has serious problems with black Democrats, and I think most Americans in the secrecy of the voting booth aren't going to go for a gay President. I think he might be best as HUD Secretary in the next Democratic Cabinet.

Elendil's Heir 02-24-2020 08:59 AM

This was a good moment for him out on the campaign trail recently, BTW: https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/23/polit...ent/index.html

QuickSilver 02-24-2020 09:24 AM

Head and shoulders above the rest of the field.

If this is not his time to be POTUS, I hope to see him back in the ring.

RTFirefly 02-24-2020 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socsback (Post 22144419)
It might be helpful to consider the entire context of this statement, rather than just spewing rage all over the internet.

His point is that we need to find money to provide social services, which will be more manageable if we control the debt. He also points out that Democrats have historically done a better job of controlling the debt than Republicans have, and blames the current debt entirely on Trump.

He's right. We SHOULD be discussing this, and if a Democrat is going to be in the White House, they will have to address it.

Some of the candidates are discussing it. Warren's got a wealth tax proposal which pays for an astounding amount of stuff, and IIRC Sanders has a similar proposal.

Maybe Buttigieg should discuss it, rather than just going around saying we ought to.

dalej42 03-01-2020 06:27 PM

And not really a fall as Pete drops out. He beat Biden in IA and NH as well as beating Amy and Warren in every single race.

It was a remarkable rise and Iím so proud to have be associated with this campaign. Iíve met some truly amazing people over the last year or so.

Elendil's Heir 03-01-2020 10:57 PM

Here's more: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...al-race-118489

Too bad.


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