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Kent Clark 02-18-2020 01:12 PM

Trump Pardons Everyone!
 
This morning, Trump pardoned Edward DeBartelo, Jr., who was convicted of paying a $400,000 bribe to the governor of Louisiana to get a casino license.

Then Trump pardoned Rod Blagojevich, who tried to sell a Senate seat to the highest bidder.

Proving he's interested in more than just politics, Trump then pardoned Michael Milking for securities fraud, and former NYC police commissioner Bernard Kerick for tax fraud.

That's one way to clean up the corrupt prison system - just pardon everyone who's been sentenced!

Akaj 02-18-2020 01:16 PM

Blagojevich's wife was a fixture on Faux News, completely fabricating ties between her husband's investigators and the Mueller team. And it worked.

The only good news is, if Trump thinks this will earn him votes in Illinois, he's 100% wrong. Pubs and Dems hate Blagojevich equally.

Inigo Montoya 02-18-2020 01:33 PM

It's not about helping out Blagojevich's political career. It's about freeing up a new Attorney General to replace Barr.

Sunny Daze 02-18-2020 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kent Clark (Post 22145841)
{...} That's one way to clean up the corrupt prison system - just pardon everyone who's been sentenced!


Only the best people, the rich people, and those lucky few liked by Kim Kardashian.

kayaker 02-18-2020 01:38 PM

JFC. I was busy today and never read any news. I read the OP and thought it was satire.

Twoflower 02-18-2020 01:39 PM

Putting all the current swamp creatures on notice that he's got their back.

Loach 02-18-2020 01:42 PM

I expect having to explain the difference between pardons and commutations on Facebook but not on here.

MulderMuffin 02-18-2020 01:43 PM

Bribery, extortion, fraud.... those aren't ACTUAL crimes. Just ask Republican members of Congress.

Locrian 02-18-2020 01:44 PM

One Doper Dollar sez Martin Shkreli is probably on the list, too. Hey, someone who price-gouges elderly and poor people has to be one of his heroes.

QuickSilver 02-18-2020 01:51 PM

Jeffrey Epstein must be regretting killing himself about now.

Inigo Montoya 02-18-2020 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loach (Post 22145896)
I expect having to explain the difference between pardons and commutations on Facebook but not on here.

I think everyone gets it--commutation is "get out of jail free" and pardon "it never happened". Not being barred up is all that matters to Trump if he needs you to do him a favor outside the joint. I'm sure there is a strategic reason for leaving the conviction in place.

Akaj 02-18-2020 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya (Post 22145916)
I think everyone gets it--commutation is "get out of jail free" and pardon "it never happened". Not being barred up is all that matters to Trump if he needs you to do him a favor outside the joint. I'm sure there is a strategic reason for leaving the conviction in place.

A sensible president could say, "I'm not saying he didn't break the law or do anything wrong. I'm saying the price he's already paid is penalty enough for what he did."

But I doubt Trump even knows the difference.

Snowboarder Bo 02-18-2020 02:00 PM

Well I want a pardon now too, ddammit!

That Don Guy 02-18-2020 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya (Post 22145916)
I think everyone gets it--commutation is "get out of jail free" and pardon "it never happened".

Except that, I don't think DeBartolo's pardon means somebody is going to cut him a check for the $1 million fine he had to pay.

MulderMuffin 02-18-2020 02:08 PM

A pardon doesn't overturn a conviction. It just makes a person not subject to the punishment for that conviction. They're still on the books as being convicted criminals unless and until their crimes are expunged.

Wesley Clark 02-18-2020 02:10 PM

Blagojevich played the game and he won. Good for him.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=69049748

Quote:

In January this year, Blagojevich penned a column on Newsmax titled, "House Democrats Would Have Impeached Lincoln" amid the now-wrapped congressional impeachment efforts against President Trump. While Blagojevich didn't mention Trump's name in the column, his wife Patti Blagojevich tagged the president's name as she retweeted the piece.

Blagojevich appears to defend President Trump against House Democrat's efforts in the column, comparing the impeachment proceedings with his own criminal case, and calling the House impeachment vote an "abuse of the Constitution."

"No president is safe if a majority of hyperpartisan House members from the opposition party are willing to abuse the Constitution and vote to impeach," Blagojevich wrote. "And the worst part of it is, that should this happen, those politicians are taking from the people their right to choose their own leaders though free elections."

dasmoocher 02-18-2020 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowboarder Bo (Post 22145930)
Well I want a pardon now too, ddammit!

Trump's probably jealous of Oprah's popularity and is doing his corrupt version: Now, you get a pardon! And, you get a pardon! And, you get a pardon!

BobLibDem 02-18-2020 02:17 PM

The lesson is that white collar crimes committed by white Republicans are not to be punished. The banana republic is now here.

Ruken 02-18-2020 02:27 PM

I remember when I was a state employee in IL and ol' Blago good-hair instituted mandatory ethics training for all of us. Not sure if he had to take it. If yes, it didn't stick very well.

dalej42 02-18-2020 02:37 PM

I assume Blago is some sort of shot at Obama as well. I don’t really care, if he wants to go on Dancing with the Stars or whatever, go for it

Loach 02-18-2020 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya (Post 22145916)
I think everyone gets it--commutation is "get out of jail free" and pardon "it never happened". Not being barred up is all that matters to Trump if he needs you to do him a favor outside the joint. I'm sure there is a strategic reason for leaving the conviction in place.

It doesn’t look like everybody does. Blagojevich is still a convicted felon. He’s spent years in jail. He’s not getting out of jail free. He’s getting out early.

The others already served their sentences. They are not getting back their years or their money. They are getting a piece of paper that says they have been pardoned. Milken in particular is typical presidential pardon material. He served his time, paid his fines and has spent his time since conviction working for charities.

There are quite a few pardons and commutations that piss me off much more, but Trump.

kenobi 65 02-18-2020 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalej42 (Post 22146017)
I assume Blago is some sort of shot at Obama as well.

Probably so; it's possibly also a shot at a blue state, which now has Democrats in the governor's chair, both U.S. Senate seats, and 13 out of 18 House seats.

kayaker 02-18-2020 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowboarder Bo (Post 22145930)
Well I want a pardon now too, ddammit!

My gf got pulled over and ticketed last weekend. She's contacting the whitehouse right now.

Loach 02-18-2020 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kenobi 65 (Post 22146040)
Probably so; it's possibly also a shot at a blue state, which now has Democrats in the governor's chair, both U.S. Senate seats, and 13 out of 18 House seats.

It’s 100% a shot at Comey and crew. They convicted Blagojevich. They pissed off Trump. Blagojevich was on his tv show. I don’t think it’s any deeper than that.

Snowboarder Bo 02-18-2020 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loach (Post 22146032)
The others already served their sentences. They are not getting back their years or their money. They are getting a piece of paper that says they have been pardoned. Milken in particular is typical presidential pardon material. He served his time, paid his fines and has spent his time since conviction working for charities.

Ya know, I've never been able to find any evidence at all that he paid the $600 million in fines we all heard about. Nor did I see a press release stating that he had repaid Drexel investors the $500 million he agreed to repay.

Loach 02-18-2020 03:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowboarder Bo (Post 22146075)
Ya know, I've never been able to find any evidence at all that he paid the $600 million in fines we all heard about. Nor did I see a press release stating that he had repaid Drexel investors the $500 million he agreed to repay.

Where do you go to find evidence that anyone has paid their fines? Are the receipts online?

Fretful Porpentine 02-18-2020 03:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BobLibDem (Post 22145974)
The lesson is that white collar crimes committed by white Republicans are not to be punished. The banana republic is now here.

Blagojevich is a Democrat. I don't know DeBartolo's political affiliation, but the governor he bribed was a Democrat. I think the intended message is that white-collar crimes committed by people who suck up to Trump are not to be punished, and/or that law enforcement officials who refuse to suck up to Trump can expect to have their work nullified.

Loach 02-18-2020 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fretful Porpentine (Post 22146121)
Blagojevich is a Democrat. I don't know DeBartolo's political affiliation, but the governor he bribed was a Democrat. I think the intended message is that white-collar crimes committed by people who suck up to Trump are not to be punished, and/or that law enforcement officials who refuse to suck up to Trump can expect to have their work nullified.

I find it fascinating that Trump can be viewed as both an idiotic buffoon and an evil genius at the same time by the same people. I think most of his decisions don’t go below the level of his surface thoughts.

“Blago was a good guy on The Apprentice. His wife tells me he was screwed by Comey. Commute his sentence.”

“Bernie was a good guy when I knew him in New York. Pardon him.”

“Mikey was a good guy when I knew him in New York. He’s bald now and had cancer. Pardon.”

“Some 49er players are saying Eddie is a good guy. Pardon.”

It helps to read that as Alec Baldwin as Trump.

Inigo Montoya 02-18-2020 03:39 PM

Shit, I went with Alec Guinness and now I can't roll that back!

dasmoocher 02-18-2020 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inigo Montoya (Post 22146162)
Shit, I went with Alec Guinness and now I can't roll that back!

For over thousands of cases, the DOJ was the guardian of peace and justice in the Old Republic. Before the dark times, before Trump.

Akaj 02-18-2020 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loach (Post 22146071)
It’s 100% a shot at Comey and crew. They convicted Blagojevich. They pissed off Trump. Blagojevich was on his tv show. I don’t think it’s any deeper than that.

Actually, Comey ... did not become director of the FBI until 2013, two years after Blagojevich was convicted. But yeah, Trump probably thinks he's sticking it to him good.

bobot 02-18-2020 03:54 PM

Can't quote Loach, but I really don't think this, or anything Trump has ever done rises to the level of genius. And I'd be interested o meet the person that claims Trump is an evil genius. That person is half right.

Snowboarder Bo 02-18-2020 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loach (Post 22146085)
Where do you go to find evidence that anyone has paid their fines? Are the receipts online?

Perhaps the media would print an article about a guy who wrote a check for $600 million dollars. Perhaps the government would give a notice that it had occurred. Heck, maybe even the person paying the fine would want to publicize it, as a sign of their penance and rehabilitation.

Yet I can find no evidence that the fines were paid, only that he agreed to pay them.

Snowboarder Bo 02-18-2020 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loach (Post 22146071)
It’s 100% a shot at Comey and crew. They convicted Blagojevich. They pissed off Trump. Blagojevich was on his tv show. I don’t think it’s any deeper than that.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akaj (Post 22146192)
Actually, Comey ... did not become director of the FBI until 2013, two years after Blagojevich was convicted. But yeah, Trump probably thinks he's sticking it to him good.

Pfft. "Facts." :rolleyes:

Loach 02-18-2020 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowboarder Bo (Post 22146236)
Perhaps the media would print an article about a guy who wrote a check for $600 million dollars. Perhaps the government would give a notice that it had occurred. Heck, maybe even the person paying the fine would want to publicize it, as a sign of their penance and rehabilitation.

Yet I can find no evidence that the fines were paid, only that he agreed to pay them.

The payment of fines whether it’s $500 or $500,000 are conditions of release, probation and/or parole. They don’t need to be publicized. Show me examples of where the receipt of fines was publicized not just the sentence. In all the cases I’ve been involved in, some pretty big, I’ve never seen payment publicized or reported. I have heard when payment isn’t made because then there are warrants issued.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Snowboarder Bo (Post 22146241)
Pfft. "Facts." :rolleyes:


Quote:

Trump repeated his claim that FBI Director James Comey was involved in Blagojevich's prosecution. Trump fired Comey in 2017 and described him as a partisan "deep state" foe of his administration. Comey did not take over at the FBI until years after the Blagojevich case.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usa...amp/4795220002


Hey not claiming it to be my facts. I was speculating on the motive.

Akaj 02-18-2020 04:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loach (Post 22146344)
Hey not claiming it to be my facts. I was speculating on the motive.

Just because Comey had nothing to do with Blago's arrest or prosecution, of course, doesn't mean Trump doesn't think he's getting back at Comey by commuting Blago's sentence.

After the guy basically threw him the election, though, you think he'd have more of a soft spot for him.

Euphonious Polemic 02-18-2020 05:03 PM

Is there anything to prevent Trumpo from immediately pardoning someone who assassinates a Democrat house member, senator or presidential candidate?

Aspenglow 02-18-2020 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphonious Polemic (Post 22146378)
Is there anything to prevent Trumpo from immediately pardoning someone who assassinates a Democrat house member, senator or presidential candidate?

Nope.

It's all down to public pressure/voting at this point.

Chronos 02-18-2020 05:08 PM

If there's one thing that has bipartisan support in both houses of Congress, it's members of Congress not being assassinated. If Trump did that, then even the Republicans would vote to remove him.

Inigo Montoya 02-18-2020 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chronos (Post 22146393)
If there's one thing that has bipartisan support in both houses of Congress, it's members of Congress not being assassinated. If Trump did that, then even the Republicans would vote to remove him.

Convince me you're drawing from some manner of precedent and not just "sure" about this. I generally trust your opinions, but I fear I must admit to some doubt in this example.

Euphonious Polemic 02-18-2020 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chronos (Post 22146393)
If there's one thing that has bipartisan support in both houses of Congress, it's members of Congress not being assassinated. If Trump did that, then even the Republicans would vote to remove him.

Not if Trump expressly said that he only approved of Democrat politicians being whacked. I seriously believe the house and senate Republicans would shrug and say "that's a terrible thing. we strongly disapprove <wink>"

Euphonious Polemic 02-18-2020 05:14 PM

Or, an alternate scenario:

Is there anything to prevent a lame duck Trumpo in December 2020, having lost the election, from declaring a pardon from every single federal prison inmate in the state of New York?

Senegoid 02-18-2020 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kent Clark (Post 22145841)
Proving he's interested in more than just politics, Trump then pardoned Michael Milking for securities fraud, and former NYC police commissioner Bernard Kerick for tax fraud.

Can Bernie Madoff be far behind?

As for Blagojevich, what, no full pardon for him? I guess Trump just couldn't find it in himself to give a full pardon to a Democrat.

As I just wrote in the Trump Clusterfuck thread:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Senegoid (Post 22146311)
Trump commutes Blago's sentence: Oddly bipartisan of him, eh wot?

(What, he couldn't find it in himself of give a full pardon to the Democrat?)

What do you suppose led Trump to find it in that place where normal people have a heart, to do this?

Was it to support corrupt politicians in general, who Trump sees as being of his own kindred?

Or was it to exonerate (sort-of) the guy who tried to sell that evil Kenyan Obama's former Senate seat to the highest bidder?

Okay, I can also appreciate Loach suggestion that it's a shot at Comey, even if that happens to be factually false (which is irrelevant in Trumpworld).

(Wow, what an active thread! In the time I typed up the above, 8 new posts were added!)

Senegoid 02-18-2020 05:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphonious Polemic (Post 22146402)
Not if Trump expressly said that he only approved of Democrat politicians being whacked. I seriously believe the house and senate Republicans would shrug and say "that's a terrible thing. we strongly disapprove <wink>"

They will strongly furrow their eyebrows.

Akaj 02-18-2020 05:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphonious Polemic (Post 22146402)
Not if Trump expressly said that he only approved of Democrat politicians being whacked. I seriously believe the house and senate Republicans would shrug and say "that's a terrible thing. we strongly disapprove <wink>"

After all, every dead Democrat makes it more likely Trump gets re-elected, and we all know that anything he does to advance his re-election effort is within his rights as president.

dasmoocher 02-18-2020 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euphonious Polemic (Post 22146402)
Not if Trump expressly said that he only approved of Democrat politicians being whacked. I seriously believe the house and senate Republicans would shrug and say "that's a terrible thing. we strongly disapprove <wink>"

From this clip (SNL: “Days Of Our Impeachment”):

Quote:

Adam Schiff: Let the record show that the president is intimidating the witness.

Jim Jordan: Intimidating. If the president wanted to intimidate you, he'd shoot you in the face in the middle of 5th Ave.

Marie Yovanovitch: OK. And then would you impeach him?

Jim Jordan: Well, I'd have to look at the facts, but no.

Czarcasm 02-18-2020 05:35 PM

Trump just claimed he is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the U.S....so I guess Barr can just go home now, right?

UltraVires 02-18-2020 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Czarcasm (Post 22146445)
Trump just claimed he is the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of the U.S....so I guess Barr can just go home now, right?

He is the chief law enforcement officer of the United States. You dispute that?

Buck Godot 02-18-2020 05:48 PM

Just to be clear he's not pardoning everyone.

Those who go through the regular clemency process and aren't attached to a celebrity are SOL
.

Quote:

What’s more, the administration inherited a backlog of more than 11,300 petitions, according to Justice Department statistics.

As of late January, nearly 7,600 petitions have been filed since Trump took office. About 5,900 petitions have been closed by the pardon office during Trump’s presidency because the inmate was released, died or was ineligible for clemency.

Trump’s decisions on only 204 petitions means that nearly 13,000 people are waiting.

Czarcasm 02-18-2020 05:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UltraVires (Post 22146462)
He is the chief law enforcement officer of the United States. You dispute that?

Ummmmmmmm...Yes.


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