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ISiddiqui 03-01-2020 05:17 PM

Pete Buttigieg drops out of the Democratic primary race
 
https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...036_story.html

Pretty shocking he did it now and didn't wait until Super Tuesday.

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Wesley Clark 03-01-2020 05:20 PM

Put Dalej42 on suicide watch

Lamoral 03-01-2020 05:23 PM

I can't believe Klobuchar outlasted him.

Moriarty 03-01-2020 05:25 PM

I like Booty-Judge. He now has a war chest of donations to use for his next campaign; I’m guessing a run for the US house in 2022.

Aspenglow 03-01-2020 05:28 PM

Mayor Pete has much to offer the Democratic party going forward. I hope his talents will be well utilized by our next Democratic administration in one capacity or another.

I'm not that surprised he suspended. I listened to him speak last night after South Carolina and half expected him to make the announcement then and there. I suspect the only reason he held off was to give Steyer the chance to do it first.

Klobuchar can't be far behind.

Larry Borgia 03-01-2020 05:30 PM

Wow. Really surprised he didn't wait till super Tuesday.

ekedolphin 03-01-2020 05:31 PM

I wonder if the person I'm voting for on Super Tuesday, Elizabeth Warren, will suspend afterward. She's not expected to win any of the Super Tuesday states, and she hasn't picked up any delegates yet.

River Hippie 03-01-2020 05:36 PM

Sorry to hear this. I liked him from the start. Listening to him speak on just about any topic is such a contrast to Trump or (I hate to say) Biden. I'll vote for whoever the Dems decide on. Is Gabbard still in? I would be holding my nose while voting for her.

Wesley Clark 03-01-2020 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moriarty (Post 22166890)
I like Booty-Judge. He now has a war chest of donations to use for his next campaign; I’m guessing a run for the US house in 2022.

Wouldn't a house run be a step down for someone who tied for first in Iowa?

He may be hoping for a cabinet position or a high position within the dnc.

He would do good at either I'm sure.

Sherrerd 03-01-2020 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moriarty (Post 22166890)
I like Booty-Judge. He now has a war chest of donations to use for his next campaign; I’m guessing a run for the US house in 2022.

Or the Senate. Republican Todd Young's term ends in 2022.

With Pete's new level of name-recognition, a Senate run would seem a natural. Particularly if the Democrat wins the White House and gives Pete a high-profile job (Cabinet or otherwise).

iiandyiiii 03-01-2020 05:44 PM

I'm glad that the field is winnowing, and this is a wise move by Pete. We'll find out who his supporters go to on Tues.

ThelmaLou 03-01-2020 05:45 PM

I hope this is a sign that the Democrats are figuring out that they need to stop splintering and start pulling together behind SOMEONE who can beat trump. Beating him is the #1 priority at the very least. It doesn't matter one single bit what the Democratic candidate stands for. All will be moot unless the Dems keep the House and take the Senate. But even if they don't, getting trump out of the White House is the most important thing.

Ryan_Liam 03-01-2020 05:49 PM

Hooray

LAZombie 03-01-2020 05:53 PM

This is great news for Biden. Based on headlines, I thought Sanders was running away with nominations. Biden is less than 10 delegates from Sanders. 60 to 53. With Mayor Pete out, that support likely will go to Biden.

Maserschmidt 03-01-2020 05:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamoral (Post 22166883)
I can't believe Klobuchar outlasted him.

He’s essentially gotten all the delegates he’s likely to, while Amy is going to pick some up in MN. I assume she’ll drop out after Tuesday.

GreysonCarlisle 03-01-2020 05:53 PM

Steyer and Buttigieg today. Maybe Klobuchar soon. Gabbard and Warren will stick around until the bitter end.

Maserschmidt 03-01-2020 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAZombie (Post 22166941)
This is great news for Biden. Based on headlines, I thought Sanders was running away with nominations. Biden is less than 10 delegates from Sanders. 60 to 53. With Mayor Pete out, that support likely will go to Biden.

That’s not what this morning consult polling suggests…(page down and then mouse over)

https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

E-DUB 03-01-2020 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by River Hippie (Post 22166911)
Sorry to hear this. I liked him from the start. Listening to him speak on just about any topic is such a contrast to Trump or (I hate to say) Biden. I'll vote for whoever the Dems decide on. Is Gabbard still in? I would be holding my nose while voting for her.

I don't think you have to worry about that one. She's in the "forgotten but not gone" category.

drad dog 03-01-2020 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ekedolphin (Post 22166908)
I wonder if the person I'm voting for on Super Tuesday, Elizabeth Warren, will suspend afterward. She's not expected to win any of the Super Tuesday states, and she hasn't picked up any delegates yet.

Liz has 8 delegates.

asahi 03-01-2020 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThelmaLou (Post 22166927)
I hope this is a sign that the Democrats are figuring out that they need to stop splintering and start pulling together behind SOMEONE who can beat trump. Beating him is the #1 priority at the very least. It doesn't matter one single bit what the Democratic candidate stands for. All will be moot unless the Dems keep the House and take the Senate. But even if they don't, getting trump out of the White House is the most important thing.

Unlike Warren and Klobuchar, Buttigieg staying in the race until SC at least made some sense given how well he had performed up to this point. But there's not going to be a Warren surge, nor will there be a Klobuchar surge, and I'm beginning to doubt that there will a Bloomberg surge either.

And it goes to show that things can change fast. I admit that two weeks ago I had left Biden for dead and thought Bloomberg was going to take command of the moderate lane. But Warren absolutely destroyed him in the first debate and while I thought he was better prepared this time around, he still didn't really recover. Biden, meanwhile, held it together long enough for Jim Clyburn to give him a lifeline, and this was the shot in the arm his campaign needed. I agree that Buttigieg's exit gives Biden a little more energy, though how much is unclear. I'm sure some of those who voted for Mayor Pete belong in the camp of wanting to see younger, fresher faces, so I don't expect all of Pete's voters to switch to Biden right away.

RickG 03-01-2020 06:09 PM

I'm a bit sad about this, as I was an early, if small, donor to the Buttigieg campaign. I could see this coming, though, and I ticked my ballot in Colorado yesterday for Warren. They've consistently been my two favorites from the jump, because I like people who can make cogent arguments and explain policy ideas clearly, at which both of them excel.

I really think Warren *should* be president, but I'm kind of resigned to having to vote for Bernie (or possibly Biden) in November.

dalej42 03-01-2020 06:22 PM

Bernie raised $46 million in February, that’s a staggering amount. Pete/Amy/Warren campaigns are all on fumes at this point as everyone’s getting behind Biden to stop Sanders. I expect both Warren and Amy to drop after Super Tuesday, they’re only staying in to see how they do in their home states.

Maserschmidt 03-01-2020 06:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalej42 (Post 22166994)
Bernie raised $46 million in February, that’s a staggering amount. Pete/Amy/Warren campaigns are all on fumes at this point as everyone’s getting behind Biden to stop Sanders. I expect both Warren and Amy to drop after Super Tuesday, they’re only staying in to see how they do in their home states.

Warren raised $29M in February, more than she’d raised in any whole quarter before that.

Sam Stone 03-01-2020 06:27 PM

Good move by Buttigieg. This should help Biden on Super Tuesday, and help prevent a Bernie win or a brokered convention - two things the Democrats need before they can beat Trump.

Buttigieg might make a decent VP candidate for Biden. He adds much needed youth, and he has shown the ability to bring in votes in states where Biden fell flat.

dalej42 03-01-2020 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maserschmidt (Post 22167001)
Warren raised $29M in February, more than she’d raised in any whole quarter before that.

We will have to see the burn rates as the numbers come in, I’m still shocked the Warren campaign opened an office in the south side of Chicago with the Illinois primary on March 17.

There’s a lot of smart young staff from the Pete campaign that could give a serious boost to Biden.

RioRico 03-01-2020 06:39 PM

nm

BobLibDem 03-01-2020 06:42 PM

Thanks, Pete! He needed some seasoning before making a run for the WH. I hope he gets a cabinet post or makes a run for the House or Senate. Between his departure and the anticipated departure of Amy, I think Biden's performance on Tuesday is going to be much better than we anticipated a week ago.

Jimmy Chitwood 03-01-2020 06:47 PM

Again, the most popular second choice for Buttigieg voters was Sanders.

pjacks 03-01-2020 06:49 PM

Biden almost certainly promised him something. Secretary of State would be a good fit.

dalej42 03-01-2020 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmy Chitwood (Post 22167042)
Again, the most popular second choice for Buttigieg voters was Sanders.

Maybe they’re out there, never met a single one over the year I was a volunteer and met endless people involved with the campaign. The Sanders scorched earth approach doesn’t exactly mesh with the Rules of the Road.

Wesley Clark 03-01-2020 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pjacks (Post 22167044)
Biden almost certainly promised him something. Secretary of State would be a good fit.

I wonder if Bloomberg made him some offer to drop out before super Tuesday. Time will tell.

Little Nemo 03-01-2020 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesley Clark (Post 22166914)
Wouldn't a house run be a step down for someone who tied for first in Iowa?

It's a step down for a Presidential candidate. It's a step up for a former Presidential candidate.

Buttigieg is young. I think he was using this campaign to introduce himself on the national stage. Now that people know who he is, he can start from a stronger position the next time he runs for President.

But to have a next time, he needs to maintain an active career in politics. So a seat in Congress would be a good move for him now. It allows him to maintain his own agency in a way a cabinet position wouldn't. And let's fact facts, there's no assurance whoever the Democratic nominee ends up being will win the election and have any cabinet positions to offer.

Paul in Qatar 03-01-2020 07:41 PM

He was my preferred candidate, but the voters have spoken. It is well past time for people to start dropping out. Buttigieg is showing a maturity greater than that of the others.

dalej42 03-01-2020 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesley Clark (Post 22167077)
I wonder if Bloomberg made him some offer to drop out before super Tuesday. Time will tell.

Bloomberg? I think Pete wants to kill Steyer and Bloomberg right now.

Fiveyearlurker 03-01-2020 07:51 PM

A pretty good case for not having Iowa go first that the Iowa winner didn't even make it to Super Tuesday, no?

dalej42 03-01-2020 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiveyearlurker (Post 22167119)
A pretty good case for not having Iowa go first that the Iowa winner didn't even make it to Super Tuesday, no?

Maybe. But how about a ‘Pete wins Iowa!’ headline coming out of Iowa rather than endless talk about the app and messed up counting? Perhaps that pushes Pete over the hump in NH for a win rather than a tie?

And, besides Bernie, no one thinks this front loaded Super Tuesday is a good idea. TX and CA do not need to be in ST to be relevant.

Tigers2B1 03-01-2020 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maserschmidt (Post 22166950)
That’s not what this morning consult polling suggests…(page down and then mouse over)

https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

So, for the most part, as candidates drop out Bernie's chances for the nomination increase.

dalej42 03-01-2020 09:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tigers2B1 (Post 22167179)
So, for the most part, as candidates drop out Bernie's chances for the nomination increase.

They go down as the not Bernie vote rallies to Biden.

Tigers2B1 03-01-2020 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dalej42 (Post 22167199)
They go down as the not Bernie vote rallies to Biden.

That's not how I read the link. In any event, the 'not Bernie' vote seems to consist mostly of the democratic party elite and the Press. Not the people.:-)

dalej42 03-01-2020 09:28 PM

A Twitter friend of mine reminded me that Pete has breakfast with President Carter this morning, perhaps that influenced his decision.

E-DUB 03-01-2020 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiveyearlurker (Post 22167119)
A pretty good case for not having Iowa go first that the Iowa winner didn't even make it to Super Tuesday, no?

You can't rely on them screwing up the count next time.

Wesley Clark 03-01-2020 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiveyearlurker (Post 22167119)
A pretty good case for not having Iowa go first that the Iowa winner didn't even make it to Super Tuesday, no?

I heard a fairly interesting idea about how to arrange the primaries in the future. By voter turnout.

Gauge what the voter turnout is as a percentage of registered voters, and then in the next primary season the primary will be held in order of highest to lowest turnout.

So if Oregon was 34th state to vote this primary but #1 in turnout, they are the first primary state next election cycle. If Iowa was #1 in rank but #29 in turnout they become #29 in rank next time.

I'm theory, it would incentivize efforts to increase voter turnout which would benefit the party as a whole.

DrDeth 03-01-2020 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aspenglow (Post 22166898)
Mayor Pete has much to offer the Democratic party going forward. I hope his talents will be well utilized by our next Democratic administration in one capacity or another.
....

Yeah, Pete needs to get some national experience under his belt. Maybe the next Dem prez can give him a cabinet position or he can run for senate or something.

Mayor Pete in 2028!

DrDeth 03-01-2020 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreysonCarlisle (Post 22166943)
Steyer and Buttigieg today. Maybe Klobuchar soon. Gabbard and Warren will stick around until the bitter end.

I bet Warren drops if she gets nothing on Super Tuesday. If she doesn't- she should.

QuickSilver 03-01-2020 09:58 PM

Disappointing to hear, but undoubtedly wise decision. We've not seen the last of him.

DrDeth 03-01-2020 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiveyearlurker (Post 22167119)
A pretty good case for not having Iowa go first that the Iowa winner didn't even make it to Super Tuesday, no?

A better case to dump caucuses.

NAF1138 03-01-2020 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LAZombie (Post 22166941)
This is great news for Biden. Based on headlines, I thought Sanders was running away with nominations. Biden is less than 10 delegates from Sanders. 60 to 53. With Mayor Pete out, that support likely will go to Biden.

I don't think that's true. I was a Pete supporter and if Biden gets the nomination I'm not voting in the general. He's the only candidate that I will say that about. My vote is going to Sanders.

DSeid 03-01-2020 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maserschmidt (Post 22166950)
That’s not what this morning consult polling suggests…(page down and then mouse over)

https://morningconsult.com/2020-democratic-primary/

That poll surprises me but really shouldn't when I look at other polls' crosstabs: Buttigieg's support is in fact about 50/50 over/under 45. Biden gets polling support skewed to voters 45 and older voters, and Sanders gets polling support skewed to under 45. (At least among whites which is almost all of Buttigieg's support.) That the younger supporters would move to saying Sanders and the older ones would move to Biden is actually predictable. The issue of course is that in both South Carolina and New Hampshire those 45 and over have had twice the turnout of those under, less of a younger voter primary turnout than in 2016.

I'm thinking in voters who vote it helps Biden more.

dalej42 03-01-2020 11:02 PM

It’s been sad reading the farewells from some of the campaign staff on Twitter. I’ve met a lot of them and they seem like family.

Working endless hours for low pay to have it not work out is heartbreaking.

DrDeth 03-01-2020 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NAF1138 (Post 22167288)
I don't think that's true. I was a Pete supporter and if Biden gets the nomination I'm not voting in the general. He's the only candidate that I will say that about. My vote is going to Sanders.

That's the kind of talk that gets us 4 more years of trump.

No matter what you think of Biden, he's better than trump.


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