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Ryan_Liam 03-04-2020 12:45 PM

Does Biden have early on set dementia?
 
He's done a couple of flubs with his lines, but some people have said he has obviously early on set dementia, with his light schedule and restricted meet and greets, if this is the case, how is this a good thing when he is going against Trump?

drad dog 03-04-2020 12:52 PM

No it's not. He is not sharp.

The media is "fascism curious" and will string this along like its the greatest thing ever that the people have spoken against revolution and for decency.

But he will make a gaffe and then whoops: What happened to the decency?

They get to cover the end of democracy, which makes them very important.

Ashtura 03-04-2020 12:55 PM

You can't really call it "early onset" for a 77-year old, but I do believe he has dementia. My mom does too, has been showing signs for years, and frankly she's more consistently coherent than he is.

And no, there is no upside to that when going against Trump.

Telemark 03-04-2020 12:57 PM

No, he doesn't. He's just often an awkward public speaker.

Ashtura 03-04-2020 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telemark (Post 22171865)
No, he doesn't. He's just often an awkward public speaker.

Don't think so. I mean yes, he is a bad speaker, but there's been a marked decline.

What Exit? 03-04-2020 12:59 PM

Have you people never listen to Biden before? He might be a little worse than the past, but he has always been a gaff machine.

QuickSilver 03-04-2020 01:00 PM

I doubt very much that Biden has a serious issue with his mental acuity. I think that he has enough people around him who would be frank with him about that and more importantly, I think he would listen to them.

drad dog 03-04-2020 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 22171876)
I doubt very much that Biden has a serious issue with his mental acuity. I think that he has enough people around him who would be frank with him about that and more importantly, I think he would listen to them.

Ah well er um...Just how would that convo be sounding? This is 3 or 4 levels deep in delusion.

Fretful Porpentine 03-04-2020 01:11 PM

Could be, but I doubt it. Frankly, the Biden / dementia rumors are suddenly popping up all over the Internet in precisely the same places and ways as the "Hillary is dying!" rumors were in late summer of 2016 -- the patterns are IDENTICAL. And 3+ years later, Hillary shows no signs of having died.

Sage Rat 03-04-2020 01:12 PM

No idea. But if he did, all he would have to say in his defense is that he doesn't need to be dementia free, he just needs to have a lower level of dementia than Donald Trump.

drad dog 03-04-2020 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fretful Porpentine (Post 22171894)
Could be, but I doubt it. Frankly, the Biden / dementia rumors are suddenly popping up all over the Internet in precisely the same places and ways as the "Hillary is dying!" rumors were in late summer of 2016 -- the patterns are IDENTICAL. And 3+ years later, Hillary shows no signs of having died.

The idea is not to have Joe alive come 3 years from now. It's to beat turmp. How does your comparison work there?

Ravenman 03-04-2020 01:14 PM

There may be some decline in there, but between his speech impediment, his historical record of embellishment, and some of his odd ideas, it's hard for me to come to the conclusion that he has a health issue.

But of course, I'd vote for post-stroke Woodrow Wilson before I'd vote for Trump.

iiandyiiii 03-04-2020 01:19 PM

If he does, hopefully someone in his inner circle will leak this, and the party can choose a different candidate.

QuickSilver 03-04-2020 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drad dog (Post 22171892)
Ah well er um...Just how would that convo be sounding? This is 3 or 4 levels deep in delusion.

You think Jill Biden or the Obamas would let Joe embarrass himself on the national stage in this way?

What's delusional is to think that they would.

Fretful Porpentine 03-04-2020 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drad dog (Post 22171899)
The idea is not to have Joe alive come 3 years from now. It's to beat turmp. How does your comparison work there?

Oh, it could be an effective way to smear him and may indeed make it harder for him to beat Trump, but that wasn't the question. The question was whether he actually has dementia, to which I think the correct answer is "probably not, but somebody out there is really really pushing the narrative that he does."

Ashtura 03-04-2020 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 22171921)
You think Jill Biden or the Obamas would let Joe embarrass himself on the national stage in this way?

What's delusional is to think that they would.

They let him embarrass himself almost every time he goes on the podium. And Obama said, "You don't have to do this, Joe, you really don't", and still has not endorsed him.

QuickSilver 03-04-2020 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ashtura (Post 22171948)
They let him embarrass himself almost every time he goes on the podium. And Obama said, "You don't have to do this, Joe, you really don't", and still has not endorsed him.

I've stuck a fork into Joe multiple times throughout this elections cycle. He was not my first choice and I am more behind Bernie's progressive platform than I am for Joe's much more moderate approach.

But here we are with Joe back from the dead and Bernie struggling to survive.

And not putting his thumb on the scale prior to the nomination is the only responsible thing Obama could or would do. So what you claim about a lack of endorsement is not meaningful in any way at this stage.

Boycott 03-04-2020 01:46 PM

Probably not.

But GOPers weaponizing this attack is bullshit given Trump is much worse. Trump can't complete a sentence or even read off the teleprompter without slurring his words. He's in his element at rallies when his base allow him to wonder from one thing to another. Go watch that video of him ranting about toilets and how people flush 10 or 15 times before immediately moving onto dishwashers and back to corrupt democrats.

Oh and George W Bush.

"Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice...can't get fooled again"

Of course Biden is a bit of a fool. But his presidency will feature competent democrats and Obama era officials. A semblance of calm.

FlikTheBlue 03-04-2020 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ravenman (Post 22171901)
There may be some decline in there, but between his speech impediment, his historical record of embellishment, and some of his odd ideas, it's hard for me to come to the conclusion that he has a health issue.

But of course, I'd vote for post-stroke Woodrow Wilson before I'd vote for Trump.

:eek:

Woodrow Wilson is probably one of the few presidents since the turn of the 20th century who is / was a worse person than Trump. If it came down to a choice between those two, I'd probably go with Trump.

As for whether Biden has dementia, my guess is probably not, but I wouldn't bet my house on it.

ETA: Even if he does have dementia, and even if medical records documenting that diagnosis are released, I'd still vote for him against Trump.

psychobunny 03-04-2020 02:33 PM

Even if Biden does have dementia, we can have a shadow government run by his wife, as happened with Wilson. I am surprisingly OK with that considering that Jill Biden is smart, educated, and a total badass.

Boycott 03-04-2020 02:46 PM

Jill Biden did very good there but should never have happened. How can your security be so lax? His sister looked frightened.

QuickSilver 03-04-2020 03:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psychobunny (Post 22172069)
Even if Biden does have dementia, we can have a shadow government run by his wife, as happened with Wilson. I am surprisingly OK with that considering that Jill Biden is smart, educated, and a total badass.

Biden married up.

bump 03-04-2020 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drad dog (Post 22171899)
The idea is not to have Joe alive come 3 years from now. It's to beat turmp. How does your comparison work there?

What would be interesting would be if the plan is to get Joe elected, have him serve maybe a year, and then resign for health reasons, putting the hand-picked VP into office without having to actually get them elected.

Super conspiratorial and a bit absurd, I know. But still interesting to consider.

Fugazi 03-04-2020 03:27 PM

Depending on the VP, if course, but I'd probably be ok with that.

Kent Clark 03-04-2020 03:37 PM

I think Biden is losing his hearing, which is pretty common in people over 70. Aged hearing makes it difficult to pick out a single voice in a crowd, which could explain his sometimes getting lost in those debate free for alls.

As for his speaking gaffes, he's always been a not-great orator. We can't all be Obama.

If you want to see if Joe is sharp, watch him in a one on one interview. See how he deals with one speaker and one question.

Moriarty 03-04-2020 07:39 PM

Biden has a history of verbal gaffes; it’s part of his charm that he’s a plain spoken, regular blue collar guy, not your usual polished politician.

The Onion (the satirical magazine) has long played on this with a theme that he’s a rebellious lowbrow scofflaw (I.e. he wears cutoff jeans, drives a Trans Am, likes to “cruise for chicks” and party).

It’s not that Joe has dementia. It’s that he’s “Uncle Joe”, that folksy and funny guy who puts a smile on your face. Reganesque, perhaps.

(And I agree that any concerns will be best mollified if he has a strong and vibrant VP. I predict he selects a woman, and expect her to be high energy).

Euphonious Polemic 03-04-2020 07:55 PM

And the Russian attack memes begin...

asahi 03-04-2020 08:05 PM

Biden has probably lost a step or two, but his ideas are still better and more realistic than Bernie's and Trump is mentally unstable, so I'll still take Biden.

Saintly Loser 03-04-2020 08:15 PM

I do believe that he's beginning to show signs of dementia. I've been watching him for years, and the deterioration is visible.

He's still competent. I mean, he doesn't need a guardian or anything.

But I know all too well (being the primarly caretaker for my father, who definitely has dementia) that once the process starts, there can be precipitous drops in cognitive capability. On the other hand, things can plateau for a long time.

But I don't think Biden is in shape to be president.

Blank Slate 03-04-2020 08:34 PM

It seems like the Biden's "dementia" suddenly blossomed after St. Bernard got his ass kicked in South Carolina.

Kolak of Twilo 03-04-2020 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blank Slate (Post 22172586)
It seems like the Biden's "dementia" suddenly blossomed after St. Bernard got his ass kicked in South Carolina.

Oh it's been around for a while but yeah, it really has kicked since SC. It appears Putin may not be the only one with Facebook/Twitter troll farms at work.

nearwildheaven 03-04-2020 09:03 PM

I have heard for many years that Biden stutters when he's off-camera, and some of his verbal gaffes are attempts to circumvent this.

He's never been my choice, this time or others, but I'll vote for him over the Manchurian Cantaloupe any day.

DSeid 03-04-2020 09:43 PM

No.

Next crazy ass question please.

I hear lots of people are saying he's running a child porn ring out of a pizza parlor. Is it true or is prostitution with Ukrainian children?

pool 03-04-2020 09:52 PM

I don't think he has dementia, but Biden just seems so lackluster to me like his heart isn't really in the race and he is just going through the motions. He seems so diminished for example from when he had the last vice presidential debate.

squeegee 03-04-2020 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nearwildheaven (Post 22172608)
I have heard for many years that Biden stutters when he's off-camera, and some of his verbal gaffes are attempts to circumvent this.

This is true. I read an in-depth about it somewhere, where Biden admitted it was true, he fights a stutter. One can sympathize, I've stutter on occasion, sometimes damned awkwardly but not habitually.

Urbanredneck 03-04-2020 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telemark (Post 22171865)
No, he doesn't. He's just often an awkward public speaker.

No, you dont stay a leader in politics by being nothing less than an excellent speaker.

Face Intentionally Left Blank 03-04-2020 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 22171921)
You think Jill Biden or the Obamas would let Joe embarrass himself on the national stage in this way?

What's delusional is to think that they would.


“You don’t have to do this, Joe, you really don’t.” - Barack Obama


I mean, I guess President Obama would be blunt if he had to, but that's a gentle, early, "Don't do this." to me. Also, he's been really slow about endorsing his friend and running mate of 8 years. Could be one or more of many other reasons why, of course.

I used to be in favor of a one-and-done Biden presidency, but not after seeing his gaffes, which are starting to remind me of my dementia-addled mother.

enipla 03-04-2020 10:58 PM

I'm not worried if Biden occasional loses track when having to speak, or flubs a line. Most people do.

Who among us have NOT asked "What is the word I'm looking for? Or what was that guys name?" How many of us have not forgotten an acronym, or important date?

Biden is a decent man. That's kinda important.

Trump is a criminal, treasonous, racist moron that only cares about himself. He can barely string two sentences together. That's kinda important too.

Someone here on the SDMB said it very well - I paraphrase - "Trumps thought process is a dying camel looking for an idea in the desert of his mind". Sums it up quite well.

SmartAleq 03-04-2020 11:10 PM

I got it, let's play a game--someone tell me what Unca Joe is trying to say:

Cuz I dunno.


You know, the thing!


What's he running for again? And who's the other Biden?

My sister! My wife!

So yeah, anyone who can translate this go for it. What the fuck is he supposed to be saying and who thinks this is a person in charge of all their faculties?

Maybe I'm just a lying dog faced pony soldier who doesn't get the exquisite subtlety of his wit. Yeah, that must be it.

enipla 03-04-2020 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmartAleq (Post 22172735)
I got it, let's play a game--someone tell me what Unca Joe is trying to say:

Cuz I dunno.


You know, the thing!


What's he running for again? And who's the other Biden?

My sister! My wife!

So yeah, anyone who can translate this go for it. What the fuck is he supposed to be saying and who thinks this is a person in charge of all their faculties?

Maybe I'm just a lying dog faced pony soldier who doesn't get the exquisite subtlety of his wit. Yeah, that must be it.

This is nothing compared to Trumps constant, deliberate bullshit and lies. I think Trump actually BELIEVES some of the stupid shit he says. Trump has never taken a moment in his entire life to consider an opinion that did not somehow form in his... brain.

If you had to rent a property too, or from a person. Who would you trust? Trump or Biden?

Lantern 03-05-2020 12:01 AM

Biden has slowed down compared to 8 years back but there is no point throwing around words like "dementia" without hard evidence. Overall I think he meets the basic threshold for handling the job though his age is obviously a worry.

SmartAleq 03-05-2020 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enipla (Post 22172759)
This is nothing compared to Trumps constant, deliberate bullshit and lies. I think Trump actually BELIEVES some of the stupid shit he says. Trump has never taken a moment in his entire life to consider an opinion that did not somehow form in his... brain.

If you had to rent a property too, or from a person. Who would you trust? Trump or Biden?

Quick--you can either eat a huge steaming pile of hyena shit or a huge steaming pile of wolverine shit, which do you choose?

The one thing pretty much everyone figures about Trump is that he's flailing around and doesn't have the faintest fucking clue what he's doing but that he'll sign whatever's put in front of him. Which would lead any intelligent person to wonder who's in charge and setting the agenda. Does any sane person really believe that having wambly dementia Joe in place, flailing around without the faintest fucking clue of what he's doing but who can still sign whatever's in front of him is going to make the SLIGHTEST FUCKING DIFFERENCE? The ones actually doing the shitty minimal level of work that's currently being accomplished won't even need to change their fucking offices, they just install a brand new useless moron figurehead and it's just bidness as usual. So Joe grabs titties and sniffs people rather than having Trump yelling insults and tweeting--I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing the faintest ray of improvement in this scenario. Allowing the gargoyles to continue being in charge of the cathedral is not an option so far as I'm concerned and I assure you I will not be voting for Biden if he's the Dem candidate, nor will I vote for the current useless shit flinging monkey that's already in place. No steaming piles of shit will I volunteer to eat, not ever.

FlikTheBlue 03-05-2020 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmartAleq (Post 22172829)
Quick--you can either eat a huge steaming pile of hyena shit or a huge steaming pile of wolverine shit, which do you choose?

The one thing pretty much everyone figures about Trump is that he's flailing around and doesn't have the faintest fucking clue what he's doing but that he'll sign whatever's put in front of him. Which would lead any intelligent person to wonder who's in charge and setting the agenda. Does any sane person really believe that having wambly dementia Joe in place, flailing around without the faintest fucking clue of what he's doing but who can still sign whatever's in front of him is going to make the SLIGHTEST FUCKING DIFFERENCE? The ones actually doing the shitty minimal level of work that's currently being accomplished won't even need to change their fucking offices, they just install a brand new useless moron figurehead and it's just bidness as usual. So Joe grabs titties and sniffs people rather than having Trump yelling insults and tweeting--I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing the faintest ray of improvement in this scenario. Allowing the gargoyles to continue being in charge of the cathedral is not an option so far as I'm concerned and I assure you I will not be voting for Biden if he's the Dem candidate, nor will I vote for the current useless shit flinging monkey that's already in place. No steaming piles of shit will I volunteer to eat, not ever.

Where to start with something like this? I’ll start at the top with your statements about Trump. You state that any minimally intelligent person would ask who’s doing the actual work. The answer is obvious and it’s equally obvious that they wouldn’t be the same people doing that work under a Biden administration. Stephen Miller, Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner, Ivanka Trump, etc. will not be a part of a Biden administration. Neither would corrupt officials like AG Barr and the other members of the cabinet. In case you haven’t noticed, Trump has purged all kinds of people in various departments who were doing good work. Their only flaw was that they were loyal to the United Stated rather than to Trump as an individual. Biden would likely bring those people back. It would not be the same people, not be the same agenda, and definitely not be the same outcome.

Out of curiosity, do you believe the same for the past? If so, who were these same people doing that work under Obama?

psychobunny 03-05-2020 03:02 AM

At least Biden has an excuse for brain damage (near fatal bleeding aneurysm). What's Trump's excuse?

septimus 03-05-2020 05:56 AM

I'm astounded by the people who feel they need to mention they'd vote for Biden over Trump, even if demented. Duuuh. When hamburger and dogshit are the only items on the menu you don't order the dogshit just because the ketchup on the burger isn't your favorite brand.

I just watched Chris Christie on the Stephen Colbert show. Christie thought the slip of "million" for "thousand" was a big deal. :smack: What a joke. The only good news was that Christie, just minutes from the New Jersey heartland, got about zero applause when he walked on stage.

I'd like those complaining about Biden's verbal gaffes, to give their opinions on Trump speech (diagnosed as schizophrenic) like this:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Donald J. Trump, commenting on Iran nuclear deal
Look, having nuclear my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart you know, if you're a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world it's true! but when you're a conservative Republican they try oh, do they do a number that's why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we're a little disadvantaged but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me it would have been so easy, and it's not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners now it used to be three, now it's four but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven't figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it's gonna take them about another 150 years but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.


CarnalK 03-05-2020 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmartAleq (Post 22172829)
Quick--you can either eat a huge steaming pile of hyena shit or a huge steaming pile of wolverine shit, which do you choose?

The one thing pretty much everyone figures about Trump is that he's flailing around and doesn't have the faintest fucking clue what he's doing but that he'll sign whatever's put in front of him. Which would lead any intelligent person to wonder who's in charge and setting the agenda. Does any sane person really believe that having wambly dementia Joe in place, flailing around without the faintest fucking clue of what he's doing but who can still sign whatever's in front of him is going to make the SLIGHTEST FUCKING DIFFERENCE? The ones actually doing the shitty minimal level of work that's currently being accomplished won't even need to change their fucking offices, they just install a brand new useless moron figurehead and it's just bidness as usual. So Joe grabs titties and sniffs people rather than having Trump yelling insults and tweeting--I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing the faintest ray of improvement in this scenario. Allowing the gargoyles to continue being in charge of the cathedral is not an option so far as I'm concerned and I assure you I will not be voting for Biden if he's the Dem candidate, nor will I vote for the current useless shit flinging monkey that's already in place. No steaming piles of shit will I volunteer to eat, not ever.

Curious: would you vote for Biden if he let Sanders pick the VP?

QuickSilver 03-05-2020 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by psychobunny (Post 22172883)
At least Biden has an excuse for brain damage (near fatal bleeding aneurysm). What's Trump's excuse?

Syphilis?

eenerms 03-05-2020 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lantern (Post 22172776)
Biden has slowed down compared to 8 years back but there is no point throwing around words like "dementia" without hard evidence. Overall I think he meets the basic threshold for handling the job though his age is obviously a worry.

I think he would have won over a Trump 8 years ago.

you with the face 03-05-2020 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuickSilver (Post 22171921)
You think Jill Biden or the Obamas would let Joe embarrass himself on the national stage in this way?

The only way anyone could prevent Joe from running for president would be to have committed. No one is "letting" him embarrass himself, but he does it just the same.

bump 03-05-2020 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moriarty (Post 22172528)
Biden has a history of verbal gaffes; it’s part of his charm that he’s a plain spoken, regular blue collar guy, not your usual polished politician.

While I like Biden and find his un-politicianlike candor refreshing, let's not paint him as something he's not- he's got a BA and a JD from reputable universities, and has spent his entire career as a lawyer (1969-1973), a Senator (1973-2016), or a professor (2017-2020- a sinecure, I don't doubt).

Anyway, he may be atypically plain spoken for a politician, but blue collar he is not, and never has been.


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