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dasmoocher 04-27-2019 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Other Waldo Pepper (Post 21612821)
Do you remember the scene at her funeral, in CIVIL WAR?

Actually, no. It's been a while. So, that's set in 2016? Doesn't seem like Cap would need Pym particles just to jump a few years.

HowSoonIsThen 04-27-2019 07:04 PM

Oh man, this thread had about 10 replies last time I checked. I was in no rush to post but I see it's really taken off.

I haven't read through every post, but I doubt I have anything to say about this movie that hasn't already been said. I think I prefered Infinity War, but this was a damn fine conclusion. I was a bit worried at the start, as it felt messy and rushed for the first 30 minutes or so. But once it hit it's stride I pretty much enjoyed every minute of it. The fact that they weren't technically fighting the same Thanos from Infinity War may lessen the emotional impact of his defeat, and the time travel leaves a lot of unanswered questions as always, but still it was great. Loved "let himself go" Thor and Professor Hulk, and sometime around Age of Ultron Hawkeye became one of my favourite Avengers.

Cap picking up Thor's hammer was a major audience applause moment. As was the en masse return of the fallen heroes, and of course Thanos trying to snap his fingers but finding out that Tony had taken them. I've never been a fan of audiences applauding at the movies. I mean, it's not a play, the cast and crew aren't there to hear you. But it created a great vibe.

My only real problem was Steve's send off. Taken by itself it's the perfect end to his arc. But it comes so abruptly after Ton'y death that I didn't feel there was enough time given to truly appreciate it. Also, obviously without Captain Marvel there Tony and Nebula would've died in space, but still her presence seemed overhyped.

Dewey Finn 04-27-2019 07:06 PM

Was I the only one who thought the ending would involve a reset back five years prior, and that would mean that Tony Stark's daughter would no longer exist?

brossa 04-27-2019 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Half Man Half Wit (Post 21612746)
The thing is, there's no timeline in which Steve gets sent back in time and doesn't turn up on the bench. Because in every timeline in which he chooses to intervene, the events leading to him being sent back simply don't happen. Since we are in a timeline in which they did, we know he can't have intervened.

I agree with this, and with the time travel theory that the Ancient One relates to Hulk: it's the removal of an Infinity Stone from the timeline that causes a forking, not time travel itself. The past is fixed, so going back in time can only fulfill it, not alter it. The actions of time travelers are already accounted for in history, and the actions of the time travelers sent back to oppose them, and those sent back to oppose that crew. It has all already happened. But....

When a Stone is pulled out of a timeline, a fork occurs, and an alternate timeline pops up in which 'new' events can happen - although here too, all things that occur only fulfill a history, not alter it. Of course, altering things in a fork does nothing to solve the problem in the original time line that you came from.

So when Cap and Iron Man and Hulk and Ant Man go to New York, everything happens as we remember it from Avengers, because the Endgame folks were already there doing stuff in the margins. Things don't go off course until Hulk gets the Time Stone from the Ancient One and peaces out to return to 2024, at which point a branch forms and a new-to-us series of events takes place with Cap fighting himself, Loki tesseracting away, etc. Then Ant Man pulls the Mind Stone to 2024, creating a new branch off this branch. Just before this, Iron Man and Cap slide back to 1970's New Jersey, where again they don't change any history until they remove the Tesseract to 2024, again creating a new branch point.

Thanos could not have traveled to 2024 from the main timeline, because he didn't do in before. But once the Power stone was pulled, an alternate timeline Thanos could do it.

So back to Steve Rogers - all the other time travelers returned to the travel pad, but Steve appears off on a bench. To me this implies that he just lived in the current timeline up until the present day, and then hoofed it to the Avengers compound to get there on the correct day. After returning the Stones, thereby collapsing the alternate timelines, he returned to the 40's to live a life with Peggy. He may have done this knowing that nothing he could do at that point would have any effect on the timeline - in fact this would have given him the freedom to not have to try to act, so he could just 'have a life'. Or maybe he did all kinds of stuff, that ended up solving all kinds of problems that we never learned about. Maybe it was his actions that kept Hydra hidden at Shield until the 2010's instead of taking over in the '80s. Maybe his actions limited the damage caused by Bucky. Maybe he is the reason the Red Skull was shackled to the Soul stone instead of returning to Earth or joining with Thanos. Whatever he did, it was already accounted for in the history that we are aware of.

Now, what's really going to bake your noodle is what would happen if Steve returned the stones to the forked branches at some later time, rather than at the time of their removal like Hulk promised? Or did them in the wrong order when there are branches from branches?

Folacin 04-27-2019 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by MaxTheVool (Post 21612729)
Did he very quickly nano-reprogram his own suit for stone-stealing? Seems like that would have been a perfect time for Strange to have given him some foreknowledge, allowing him to perfectly set up all the tech for that precise moment... which would have been the culmination of the 1-in-14-million. As it is, it just felt a bit... weird. For all of his great moments and amazing skills, none that I can recall involved having super-quick pickpocketing fingers.

I like your concept, but I don't think it could work. Strange couldn't tell Tony about how it was going to work prior to the snap because then it wouldn't work (because "you'll need to have a way to pull the stones from one Ironman glove to another" is a pretty major spoiler). And of course, there was no time between Hulk's snap and Strange undusting for him to tell Tony anything (or for Tony to build anything).

And he wouldn't need pickpocketing skills - his magic tech could easily swap the stones when the two gloves were actually in contact with each other.

Jack Batty 04-27-2019 07:53 PM

The best part of my reviewing today: I was sitting next to a family and right at the start of the film, when they track Thanos down and Thor cuts off his head and they realize the stones are gone and they're all fucked ... Thor walks down the stairs, the focus gets fuzzy and it fades to black ... the kid sitting next to me says, "The End."

I snorted.

peccavi 04-27-2019 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Batty (Post 21612198)
I couldn't disagree more with those poo-poo-ing the all women fighting force coming together bit.

I agree, and I have two comments on this scene:
  1. In a battle that consists largely of a character with just the right powers showing up to save another character's bacon, the female rescuers felt just as organic.
  2. When this occurred, the little girl sitting next to me got up on her knees in her seat and fist pumped. As far as I'm concerned, that settles the argument on whether the scene is a highlight of the film.
I thought the "rebooting" of Gamora is a clever way to set up a better Guardians movie. Prior to this, Quill and Gamora's relationship was dangerously close to the dreaded loving couple, which loses a lot to the tension between the two that contributed to the first movie. Now they've got it back.

Finally, I advise not trying to analyze the details of the time travel element. Since time travel is inherently paradoxical, there is no way to use it as an airtight plot element. Whenever time travel shows up in a movie, I just amp up my suspension of disbelief and sit back and enjoy.

galen ubal 04-27-2019 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Batty (Post 21612922)
The best part of my reviewing today: I was sitting next to a family and right at the start of the film, when they track Thanos down and Thor cuts off his head and they realize the stones are gone and they're all fucked ... Thor walks down the stairs, the focus gets fuzzy and it fades to black ... the kid sitting next to me says, "The End."

I snorted.

Heh. At that point, I glanced at my watch, leaned over to my wife, and whispered: "At fifteen minutes in, all hope is lost." :D

Mahaloth 04-27-2019 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack Batty (Post 21612922)
The best part of my reviewing today: I was sitting next to a family and right at the start of the film, when they track Thanos down and Thor cuts off his head and they realize the stones are gone and they're all fucked ... Thor walks down the stairs, the focus gets fuzzy and it fades to black ... the kid sitting next to me says, "The End."

I snorted.

My wife made the same joke. "Boom, end of movie! Got your money, suckers!"

Southern Yankee 04-27-2019 09:09 PM

Loved it. Cap wielding Moljnir was probably the most satisfying cinematic experience I have had in 20 years.. I can nitpick the screen time of some characters, but geez, with an epic of this magnitude I think they did a phenomenal job.

Lance Turbo 04-27-2019 09:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Southern Yankee (Post 21613019)
Loved it. Cap wielding Moljnir was probably the most satisfying cinematic experience I have had in 20 years.. I can nitpick the screen time of some characters, but geez, with an epic of this magnitude I think they did a phenomenal job.

I noticed out of the corner of my eye that some jackass in the theater fist pumped when that happened. I looked and saw that it was my own fist and realized that jackass was me.

Mahaloth 04-27-2019 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Lance Turbo (Post 21613086)
I noticed out of the corner of my eye that some jackass in the theater fist pumped when that happened. I looked and saw that it was my own fist and realized that jackass was me.

I love this.

Yes, I think Captain with the hammer is a top theatrical moment. My top of all time are:

Sixth Sense - theater went nuts when the twist came out. Opening night. We had NO idea. Not a riot, but the theater broke out in conversation and screams of shock. Amazing. Never seen anything like that moment. Strangers talking to strangers about what just happened.

Fellowship of the Ring - The Balrog roaring on screen made my crowd cheer and scream. Aragorn decapitating the main Uruk-hai got full applause from my crowd.

I'm trying to think of other "reaction" moments in the theater. Captain with the hammer was a really well done won and the fight with his shield in hammer keeps the crowd cheering. Great scene.

Thor: "I knew it!!!"

Lance Turbo 04-27-2019 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Mahaloth (Post 21613115)
I love this.

Yes, I think Captain with the hammer is a top theatrical moment. My top of all time are:

Sixth Sense - theater went nuts when the twist came out. Opening night. We had NO idea. Not a riot, but the theater broke out in conversation and screams of shock. Amazing. Never seen anything like that moment. Strangers talking to strangers about what just happened.

Fellowship of the Ring - The Balrog roaring on screen made my crowd cheer and scream. Aragorn decapitating the main Uruk-hai got full applause from my crowd.

I'm trying to think of other "reaction" moments in the theater. Captain with the hammer was a really well done won and the fight with his shield in hammer keeps the crowd cheering. Great scene.

Thor: "I knew it!!!"

Saving Private Ryan. I saw it in a packed theater that collectively held their breath when Pvt. Mellish (Adam Golberg) lost his struggle for a bayonet with a Nazi.

Mijin 04-27-2019 10:38 PM

Saw Endgame last night. I'm lukewarm about it; I'd put it somewhere around Civil War.

Good:
1. Still plenty of surprises like early dispatch of Thanos, Cap wielding the hammer etc.
2. Good send off for Iron man.
3. Sure didn't feel like 3 hours.

Bad:
1. Found time travel plot pretty confusing at times, and the videos I've seen online trying to explain it only made things worse (prime example: Shadiversity). Iron man getting the stones just happened and wasn't really explained.
2. Some of the humor fell a bit flat. Fat Thor was a good visual gag that they didn't know what to do with. Joke with ant man trying to get an autograph was great but they dragged it out too long. And on and on.

AK84 04-28-2019 12:59 AM

I dunno why Cap ending is confusing people.
1) He chose to go back to the late 1940's early 50's at the latest. The model of the cars seen outside indicates that.
2) I am guessing the Rogers who went back would know better than to mess with the timeline. He has evolved in his thinking from his early MCU portryal, we see that in his confrontation with 2012 Captain America. Which incidentally makes clear that no problem in having two versions of the same people (plural, we see both Starks) interacting with each other in the MCU.
3) He can live his life with Peggy. And he knows if he really is needed in the present he can easily be called back. Its having his cake and eating it too.

The people he was closest to i.e Tony and Natasha are dead. Sam and Bucky, are dead. Yes they are back, but he has mourned them and moved on. He really has nothing left in the present. Except maybe free music and gigabytes of porn at reasonable rates?

caligulathegod 04-28-2019 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mahaloth (Post 21612555)
I am glad I saw it last night. On Yahoo's front page, there are two news stories:

- Explaining Endgame - Banner + Hulk is Professor Hulk

and

- We need to talk about that Black Widow Situation

I mean, come on. Any hinting is spoiler suggesting at least. The Hulk one is a full spoiler.

Oh, God, worse than that was on Facebook, At 9:15 pm on Thursday night, Nerdist.com posted a story I presume was about the kid from Iron Man 3 being at the funeral ("Who was that character at the end of Avengers:Endgame?"), but they didn't realize that on some browsers and apps, the first line of the story is previewed without having to click or even hover over it.

The first line was, "We are as emotionally prepared to discuss Tony Stark's funeral about as much as we're physically prepared to stick our head in an..."

Really?! Of all the spoilers, you spoil the biggest emotional beat of not only the movie, but the entire 11 year, 22 movie saga! I am still furious. I really am not a big spoiler adverse person, but that one was just too much, especially since just a few days before, they posted a video excoriating some trolls who had leaked spoilers from a preview screening just a few hours before.

icon 04-28-2019 01:43 AM

I just got back from watching the movie and I was wondering if anyone had any theories on what the sound was at the end of the credits. It sounds like someone banging on metal, and a friend suggested that it was perhaps the sound of someone trying to forge a new infinity gauntlet. Or may a new hammer for Thor since the one Cap took back was presumably destroyed?

Anyone else have any guesses?

//i\\

Go_Arachnid_Laser 04-28-2019 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by AK84 (Post 21613257)
The people he was closest to i.e Tony and Natasha are dead. Sam and Bucky, are dead. Yes they are back, but he has mourned them and moved on. He really has nothing left in the present. Except maybe free music and gigabytes of porn at reasonable rates?

This ending means that literally he kept shut when Kennedy was killed, when the Challenger exploded, with Columbine and 9/11. He said nothing to his wife, SHIELD founder Peggy Carter while Hydra was infiltrating her organization. He allowed his best friend Bucky to keep being brainwashed and murdering people (Including Tony Stark's parents) for decades.

What a hero.

Also, Sharon Carter realizing that she was dealing with younger uncle Steve, who she saw regularly at family gatherings, and making out with him anyway.

Go_Arachnid_Laser 04-28-2019 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by icon (Post 21613274)
I just got back from watching the movie and I was wondering if anyone had any theories on what the sound was at the end of the credits. It sounds like someone banging on metal, and a friend suggested that it was perhaps the sound of someone trying to forge a new infinity gauntlet. Or may a new hammer for Thor since the one Cap took back was presumably destroyed?

Anyone else have any guesses?

//i\\

From what I've read the "anvil cling" sound comes straight out of the scene in Iron Man 1 when Tony Stark is building his first suit in that cave.

It's a nod to the movie that started the ball rolling, nothing else.

icon 04-28-2019 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Go_Arachnid_Laser (Post 21613278)
For what I've read the "anvil cling" sound comes straight out of the scene in Iron Man 1 when Tony Stark is building his first suit in that cave.

It's a nod to the movie that started the ball rolling, nothing else.

I had not thought of that, but it certainly fits. Ignorance fought!

//i\\

lawoot 04-28-2019 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance Turbo (Post 21613137)
Saving Private Ryan. I saw it in a packed theater that collectively held their breath when Pvt. Mellish (Adam Golberg) lost his struggle for a bayonet with a Nazi.

"SHH-sh-sh-sh-sh-sh!"

Half Man Half Wit 04-28-2019 02:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Go_Arachnid_Laser (Post 21613276)
This ending means that literally he kept shut when Kennedy was killed, when the Challenger exploded, with Columbine and 9/11. He said nothing to his wife, SHIELD founder Peggy Carter while Hydra was infiltrating her organization. He allowed his best friend Bucky to keep being brainwashed and murdering people (Including Tony Stark's parents) for decades.

What a hero.

Well, all that stuff would still happen, no matter what Cap does in the past. He might've split off a timeline in which things occur differently, but that wouldn't have any influence on the prime timeline, where these things have occurred as we saw them. So there's really no saving anybody.

That said, one might argue that splitting off another timeline to save people there, so that you have the prime timeline where Kennedy dies, the Challenger explodes, Hydra infiltrates SHIELD, and so on, and one in which Cap acts to prevent something, might be preferable---at least, in that timeline, all the bad stuff is prevented, so at least those versions of the people get saved, even if the originals die, right?

Except that doesn't work that way, either. The first change Cap introduces branches the timeline off; after that, his foreknowledge at least can't be 100% certain. Plus, each such change may have unforeseen consequences, that could well end up worse than the original timeline. Remember, the original version of events was the only one in 14 million possibilities where they end up beating Thanos; any change altering course from that timeline would end in at least halve the universe being eradicated.

And that's just one threat. Any change he introduces may lead to the Avengers never being formed, and the world being overrun by the Chitauri---or, of course, some other catastrophe happening, one he doesn't have any foreknowledge of.

(Indeed, it's also possible that we saw a timeline---from the beginning---which was the best possible version that Cap could bring about; i. e. old Cap we saw in the end was from another timeline, where even worse stuff happened, which he worked all these years in the background to prevent, leading to the timeline we saw as the main MCU timeline.)

Ashtura 04-28-2019 02:46 AM

I liked it, but I think I liked infinity war better.

My criticisms:

I think "bummed out Avengers" dragged on a bit too long. As an audience we were over it so they probably could have glossed over it more. 5 year jump and we have to have a support group scene?

I like time travel stories, but I like them to be clever. This seemed like time travel for a nostalgia trip.

Fat Thor throughout the entire movie was distracting. I found it unnecessary.

The Cgi was overdone and was borderline bad at several points.

Otherwise I liked it. I choked up a bit when Tony died (I was expecting him to die but not expecting it to affect me so much) and there were some thrilling moments near the end.

Worth seeing and seeing early.

Mijin 04-28-2019 03:39 AM

It occurs to me that this is a similar situation to LOTR - Return of the King.

Many of the reviews that give the highest praise for the movie devote most of their content to talking about what the movie represents ; the conclusion to an epic saga and all that Marvel has built and yadda yadda.

For me, I really respect what marvel has done and some of it has been movie magic.
*and* I think the last movie was just OK.

Galwegian 04-28-2019 03:59 AM

So, New Asgard was definitely in Scotland. UK style town name sign, old S-reg UK RHD Land Rover...and the fact that Thor was clearly enjoying the c Scottish way of life!

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Miller 04-28-2019 04:01 AM

Regarding Captain America at the end of the movie. The movie was very clear that traveling back in time can’t change the present you started from - it just creates an alternate time line. All the Avengers who get sent back in time have those little devices that can jump them back to the point they left their own timeline. So, with the original plan of just stealing the stones from the past, it doesn’t prevent Thanos from doing the snap - the best you can do is create an alternate timeline where the snap never happened, but it will still have happened in your original time line.

So, when Cap went back, and stayed with Peggy, he created an alternate timeline where they got married and grew old together. Steve outlives Peggy - benefits of the super soldier serum - and then, finally, after decades of living in his alternate timeline, returns to his original timeline to give Sam the shield.

What’s notable here is that this means Cap doesn’t spent fifty years sitting on his ass while JFK is shot, and Hydra hollows out Shield, and all the rest of that stuff. Hell, Peggy’s running the OSS about a decade after the war. She’s not sitting around in her ass, either. The two of them probably got a pretty good start on making their timeline into a utopia, preventing most of the apocalypses we’ve seen before they start. But none of that happens in the time line we’ve seen in the movies. There’s at least two alternate timelines created in this movie that are likely way better than the original timeline - the “future Cap fixes everything” timeline I just posited, and one where shortly before the events of Guardians of the Galaxy, Thanos takes his flagship through a time warp and is never heard from again.

Also, the reason the Time Stone in particular is so important is that, if it vanishes in 2012, Dormammu destroys the planet in 2016.

Half Man Half Wit 04-28-2019 05:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Miller (Post 21613321)
So, when Cap went back, and stayed with Peggy, he created an alternate timeline where they got married and grew old together. Steve outlives Peggy - benefits of the super soldier serum - and then, finally, after decades of living in his alternate timeline, returns to his original timeline to give Sam the shield.

I thought about that possibility, too, but if he used the time-travel gizmo to get back, shouldn't he have reappeared on the time machine pad, only aged?

Southern Yankee 04-28-2019 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Mahaloth (Post 21613115)
I love this.

Yes, I think Captain with the hammer is a top theatrical moment. My top of all time are:

Sixth Sense - theater went nuts when the twist came out. Opening night. We had NO idea. Not a riot, but the theater broke out in conversation and screams of shock. Amazing. Never seen anything like that moment. Strangers talking to strangers about what just happened.

Fellowship of the Ring - The Balrog roaring on screen made my crowd cheer and scream. Aragorn decapitating the main Uruk-hai got full applause from my crowd.

I'm trying to think of other "reaction" moments in the theater. Captain with the hammer was a really well done won and the fight with his shield in hammer keeps the crowd cheering. Great scene.

Thor: "I knew it!!!"

The Gimp in Pulp Fiction. Never heard so many people say "what the fuck?" out loud in a theater.

Locrian 04-28-2019 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Southern Yankee (Post 21613344)
The Gimp in Pulp Fiction. Never heard so many people say "what the fuck?" out loud in a theater.

Loudest I ever heard was for Mr. Samuel L. Jackson in Snakes on a Plane, after the quintessential line. Some gave a standing O.

Back to Endgame: Favorite line was Captain Marvel in beginning. "I'm going to go kill Thanos." The same way as saying, "I'm off to the grocery store.", or something. :D She is great.

Also, forget who first mentioned the tacos, but I'm using a pic of two tacos to use on FB as a response when someone says they had a bad day or had a bad lunch because of that scene with Hulk and Ant-Man at lunch. Like, there, there. Here's some tacos for you.

BTW, why the hell are they eating burgers and tacos? I'm sure they burn the calories, but...

carlb 04-28-2019 08:50 AM

Random thoughts:

Tony's death didn't impact me as much as it did others (although Peter's reaction hit me pretty hard; Tom Holland is crushing it as Peter); I figured he would go out with some kind of self-sacrifice. I was surprised at how much Nat's self-sacrifice hit me.

I think it's because of what she represented to Clint. I did think it was clever to have them struggling with each other to see who got to sacrifice themself for the greater good, and for a while I thought, "OK, this is a perfect place for Clint to go out; he's lost everything, he doesn't have as much to look forward to, so logically he should go." But then I realized that the Soul Stone requires a tremendous sacrifice, and for all that Nat clearly loves Clint (in a brother/sister kind of way), she also has the rest of the team. She's kept connected to them post-snap, and as damaged as everyone is, she's got people around her for support. If she loses Clint it's tragic, but in a way it's just another friend and teammate that she lost.

Nat is all that Clint has left. Yes, he's come back to the Avengers, but he hasn't really re-integrated himself. So losing her is Clint losing everything. It's pretty brutal.

Got a little misty-eyed when Tony gave Peter the big hug. *sniff*

Seeing Suri armed for battle got a surprise little cheer from me. Not sure why, other than that I love it when the usually non-combatant characters decide that they've had enough and they're going to kick some ass.

Damn, Danai Gurira is a beautiful woman.

I was the lone cheer when Cap picked up the hammer. It was a pretty quiet theater, but still. C'mon people, that was awesome!

Got really choked up when Scott saw his daughter for the first time. He does so much comedy, that I forget that Paul Rudd really is an excellent actor. He sold that scene.

I was very pleasantly surprised at the pace of the movie. There were a few slow moments, but it didn't fell like three hours to me.

I loved Dr. Strange just raising his index finger to Tony. "Yup. This is the one."

carlb 04-28-2019 09:05 AM

Forgot about my other favorite line. “Hail, Hydra.” Love when the characters are clever in addition to being badasses.

muldoonthief 04-28-2019 09:05 AM

I saw it last night and loved it. I won't repeat everything else has said, but one of my favorite parts was how much shit everyone gave Ant-Man throughout the whole movie, even though he's the one who came up with the plan and the technology to actually save everyone.

And I'm glad the technobabble as to why the two Nebulas could access each other's minds made some sense.

And I also really hope "melting ice cream" Thor shows up in GotG 3.

Folacin 04-28-2019 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Locrian (Post 21613353)
BTW, why the hell are they eating burgers and tacos? I'm sure they burn the calories, but...

Because they are tasty! The only Avenger who is anywhere close to a paragon of virtue who might only eat healthy food is Cap, and he's evolved a lot. And a 1940's fellow is going to consider beef health food at any rate.

Dewey Finn 04-28-2019 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Mahaloth (Post 21613115)
I love this.

Yes, I think Captain with the hammer is a top theatrical moment. My top of all time are:

Sixth Sense - theater went nuts when the twist came out. Opening night. We had NO idea. Not a riot, but the theater broke out in conversation and screams of shock. Amazing. Never seen anything like that moment. Strangers talking to strangers about what just happened.

Fellowship of the Ring - The Balrog roaring on screen made my crowd cheer and scream. Aragorn decapitating the main Uruk-hai got full applause from my crowd.

I'm trying to think of other "reaction" moments in the theater. Captain with the hammer was a really well done won and the fight with his shield in hammer keeps the crowd cheering. Great scene.

Thor: "I knew it!!!"

If you don't mind, can you have the discussion of reaction moments in other movies in another thread? It's a distraction here.

Miller 04-28-2019 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Half Man Half Wit (Post 21613339)
I thought about that possibility, too, but if he used the time-travel gizmo to get back, shouldn't he have reappeared on the time machine pad, only aged?

The gizmos give them control over their jumps - Steve and Tony used theirs to jump further back in time to 1970. Old Steve used his to land a little bit off from the platform. Guy used to be in show biz - he knows how to make an entrance.

D_Odds 04-28-2019 10:51 AM

I've read most of the thread, so maybe I've missed my specific time travel question.

I understand taking the Infinity Stones, using them, then returning them to when and where they were heisted, thus keeping the past intact and not causing schisms. I don't need an Ancient One/Dr. Strange explanation, because it made perfect sense. I understand that Rogers knows not to interfere with anything because he understands the implications. He's smart and disciplined. My question regards future travelling Thanos. Obviously, his forces are post-NY invasion, but also pre-Infinity War. Unless Tony simply sent them back (though it looks like he dusted them), that has created an alternate time line with no Gamora and more importantly, no more Thanos! So at the moment Thanos jumps to the future, schism. Or am I missing something?

Jack Batty 04-28-2019 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by carlb (Post 21613448)
I loved Dr. Strange just raising his index finger to Tony. "Yup. This is the one."

I think it was more than, "this is the one," but also, "you know what you have to do - you have to sacrifice yourself." Which goes a long way toward the whole, how (or at least why) did Tony pull off the stone pick-pocket trick. Because he had to in order to win - essentially.

Miller 04-28-2019 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by D_Odds (Post 21613540)
I've read most of the thread, so maybe I've missed my specific time travel question.

I understand taking the Infinity Stones, using them, then returning them to when and where they were heisted, thus keeping the past intact and not causing schisms. I don't need an Ancient One/Dr. Strange explanation, because it made perfect sense. I understand that Rogers knows not to interfere with anything because he understands the implications. He's smart and disciplined. My question regards future travelling Thanos. Obviously, his forces are post-NY invasion, but also pre-Infinity War. Unless Tony simply sent them back (though it looks like he dusted them), that has created an alternate time line with no Gamora and more importantly, no more Thanos! So at the moment Thanos jumps to the future, schism. Or am I missing something?

Nope. There’s absolutely an alternate timeline where Thanos just vanishes from the universe and never assembled the Infinity stones, or did basically anything we saw him do from GotG forward.

digs 04-28-2019 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by dasmoocher (Post 21611564)

The only seat left in town was in a brewpub/theater*. They had a huge amount of staff to run beer and food to your seat, and our head server said "If you need a bathroom break, watch for the Hulk carrying tacos. That's halfway through, and you'll have at least five minutes there."


*Flix Brewhouse, a lot of fun. I hadn't had anything to drink for five hours before, and didn't need a break. But I couldn't resist having a beer delivered during the movie, so I ordered one during the last half hour.

muldoonthief 04-28-2019 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Go_Arachnid_Laser (Post 21613278)
From what I've read the "anvil cling" sound comes straight out of the scene in Iron Man 1 when Tony Stark is building his first suit in that cave.

It's a nod to the movie that started the ball rolling, nothing else.

It may indeed be "nothing else", but that's the exact point in previous MCU movies where they put up the simple graphic "Iron Man/The Avengers/Captain America/etc. will return." Heck, it's where they put "Thanos will return" at the end of Infinity War. So maybe a bit of foreshadowing that Iron Man (in some incarnation) will return?

cmkeller 04-28-2019 11:32 AM

storyteller0910:

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Somebody talk me down.
Do you remember that when Cap went back to 1970 and was in Peggy's office, he saw a picture of himself on Peggy's desk? He realized then that Peggy had lived/was living a life with him in the past - so he fulfilled that past when he refused to return via Pym particles at the end.

Have tons to say on the movie and on the thread, but aside from responding to this point, I'll wait until tomorrow, will have more time for computer-based leisure.

Mahaloth 04-28-2019 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by carlb (Post 21613448)
Got a little misty-eyed when Tony gave Peter the big hug. *sniff*

So glad they included this moment. I rolled my eyes when it was announced Tony Stark would be in the new Spider-man movie, but it was great and it makes a ton of sense for him to attach to this smart kid.

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Originally Posted by carlb (Post 21613459)
Forgot about my other favorite line. “Hail, Hydra.” Love when the characters are clever in addition to being badasses.

And great editing. My wife and I laughed when Steve knows about Hydra, and loved that it just cut to him walking away with the case(or whatever) because.....I mean....he can't know about Hydra without being legit, right?

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Originally Posted by cmkeller (Post 21613580)
storyteller0910:



Do you remember that when Cap went back to 1970 and was in Peggy's office, he saw a picture of himself on Peggy's desk? He realized then that Peggy had lived/was living a life with him in the past - so he fulfilled that past when he refused to return via Pym particles at the end.

Have tons to say on the movie and on the thread, but aside from responding to this point, I'll wait until tomorrow, will have more time for computer-based leisure.

Ah, is that what happened? Captain America knew he went to the past already? I missed that.

Southern Yankee 04-28-2019 11:53 AM

What do you suppose happens to the Red Skull when someone successfully claims the Soul stone?

Miller 04-28-2019 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by cmkeller (Post 21613580)
Do you remember that when Cap went back to 1970 and was in Peggy's office, he saw a picture of himself on Peggy's desk? He realized then that Peggy had lived/was living a life with him in the past - so he fulfilled that past when he refused to return via Pym particles at the end.

I don't think that's correct. It was a pic of skinny Steve, from before he got the serum. They weren't already together in that timeline; the picture was just showing that Peggy was still carrying a torch for Steve decades after he'd died.

Miller 04-28-2019 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Southern Yankee (Post 21613602)
What do you suppose happens to the Red Skull when someone successfully claims the Soul stone?

They've announced that they're finally doing a Black Widow movie. Given what happens in Endgame, it seems likely that it's going to be set in the past, but a movie where the Red Skull engineers a way to escape from Soul Stone duty, and Nat somehow hitches a ride back to the world of the living to stop him, would be pretty epic.

kenobi 65 04-28-2019 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Miller (Post 21613611)
I don't think that's correct. It was a pic of skinny Steve, from before he got the serum. They weren't already together in that timeline; the picture was just showing that Peggy was still carrying a torch for Steve decades after he'd died.

Yup, it's a picture of skinny Steve from the training program at Fort Lehigh.

Equipoise 04-28-2019 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by muldoonthief (Post 21613574)
It may indeed be "nothing else", but that's the exact point in previous MCU movies where they put up the simple graphic "Iron Man/The Avengers/Captain America/etc. will return." Heck, it's where they put "Thanos will return" at the end of Infinity War. So maybe a bit of foreshadowing that Iron Man (in some incarnation) will return?

Harley Keener, the kid from Iron Man 3, was at the funeral. Why would they have him there among all those recognizable faces unless he was going to become Important down the line? I feel we'll see him again

Dewey Finn 04-28-2019 01:09 PM

Perhaps. I'm willing to accept that he might attend the funeral just as a friend.

Ike Witt 04-28-2019 01:21 PM

When I first started thinking about how this movie was going to play out, after Infinity War, one of the things I had wanted was a 'movie ending' for Captain America. I wanted him to find a way to be happy with Peggy after saving everyone. That is what I got, almost how I pictured it, with them dancing. A perfect ending to his arc.

It is probably going to take a couple of days for me to digest the rest of the movie.

Mahaloth 04-28-2019 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Dewey Finn (Post 21613673)
Perhaps. I'm willing to accept that he might attend the funeral just as a friend.

I assume they all knew about him to reach out to him? I don't remember Iron Man 3 too well, though I did like it a lot.


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