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Dale Sams 08-13-2019 07:51 PM

Is "My My Hey Hey" a response to "American Pie"??
 
Sing the lyrics "My My Hey Hey". Now sing "So Bye Bye Miss American Pie"

They kinda sound alike. And My My is saying how "Rock and Roll will Never Die". while American Pie is about the day the music died.

Beckdawrek 08-13-2019 08:22 PM

Wonder if Don McLean did that on purpose?
That song is full of alliteration.

california jobcase 08-13-2019 08:43 PM

I remember "Rust Never Sleeps" from nearly the day it was released. I always took the "rock and roll is here to stay" line as a jab at disco music, and the rest of the song(s) as an ode to rock and roll excesses.

AHunter3 08-13-2019 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Sams (Post 21804668)
Sing the lyrics "My My Hey Hey". Now sing "So Bye Bye Miss American Pie"

They kinda sound alike.

Not really. Let's cast the Neil Young song in the key of E minor.

"My" ==> home key, E minor, melody note B (the fifth)
"My" ==> D major passing chord, melody note A (the fifth of D)
"Hey" ==> passing note of B on the sustained D maj (same note as the first "My")
"Hey ==> C maj 7 with melody line G-E (fifth then third of a C chord)

The Don McLean isn't in a minor key at all, it's in a major. Let's cast it in G major for some rough consistency.

"Bye" ==> home key G major, melody note D (the fifth)
"Bye, Miss A-" ==> C major, with melody note C (repeated for all three syllables)
"-merican" ==> G major again, melody note descends B-A-G
"Pie" ==> D major, melody goes back up a step to the A

Melody lines by themselves:

My My Hey Hey: 5, 4, 5, 3-1
Bye Bye Pie: 5, 4, 4, 4, 3-2-1, 2

Don't see or hear any resemblance. They both go downhill rather than uphill but that's about it.

Just Asking Questions 08-13-2019 09:58 PM

It's a song about the Sex Pistols!

This is the story of Johnny Rotten.

Too bad ol Neil got confused about which member of the Sex Pistols died and which didn't.

It's better to burn out than fade away.

str8cashhomie 08-13-2019 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Asking Questions (Post 21804837)
It's a song about the Sex Pistols!

This is the story of Johnny Rotten.

Too bad ol Neil got confused about which member of the Sex Pistols died and which didn't.

It's better to burn out than fade away.

According to this genius annotation (FWIW), it's a response to Johnny Rotten's comments after Elvis died. I'm not exactly sure what the point is personally.

P-man 08-13-2019 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Asking Questions (Post 21804837)
It's a song about the Sex Pistols!

This is the story of Johnny Rotten.

Too bad ol Neil got confused about which member of the Sex Pistols died and which didn't.

It's better to burn out than fade away.

"The King ate banana sandwiches they were delicous
This is the story of Sidney Vicious."

Dale Sams 08-13-2019 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AHunter3 (Post 21804820)
Not really. Let's cast the Neil Young song in the key of E minor.

"My" ==> home key, E minor, melody note B (the fifth)
"My" ==> D major passing chord, melody note A (the fifth of D)
"Hey" ==> passing note of B on the sustained D maj (same note as the first "My")
"Hey ==> C maj 7 with melody line G-E (fifth then third of a C chord)

The Don McLean isn't in a minor key at all, it's in a major. Let's cast it in G major for some rough consistency.

"Bye" ==> home key G major, melody note D (the fifth)
"Bye, Miss A-" ==> C major, with melody note C (repeated for all three syllables)
"-merican" ==> G major again, melody note descends B-A-G
"Pie" ==> D major, melody goes back up a step to the A

Melody lines by themselves:

My My Hey Hey: 5, 4, 5, 3-1
Bye Bye Pie: 5, 4, 4, 4, 3-2-1, 2

Don't see or hear any resemblance. They both go downhill rather than uphill but that's about it.

Well....there's a little rhyming but....others have throughly debunked the notion. And thank you for the breakdown up there.

Little Nemo 08-14-2019 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Asking Questions (Post 21804837)
This is the story of Johnny Rotten.

Too bad ol Neil got confused about which member of the Sex Pistols died and which didn't.

Not necessarily. I think Young was saying the story of Johnny Rotten was a demonstration of how fading away was a worse fate than burning out. Elvis Presley and Sid Vicious died in the seventies but they're still famous. John Lydon's alive but nobody cares.

Junior Spaceman 08-14-2019 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Little Nemo (Post 21805051)
Not necessarily. I think Young was saying the story of Johnny Rotten was a demonstration of how fading away was a worse fate than burning out. Elvis Presley and Sid Vicious died in the seventies but they're still famous. John Lydon's alive but nobody cares.

Except that Elvis faded out over the last decade of his life, before dying, Sid Vicious hadn't died yet by the time the song was recorded, and Johnny Rotten had only just stopped being the 'flavour of the week', so would have been considered to have burned out rather than faded away.

actualliberalnotoneofthose 08-14-2019 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Junior Spaceman (Post 21805080)
Except that Elvis faded out over the last decade of his life, before dying, Sid Vicious hadn't died yet by the time the song was recorded, and Johnny Rotten had only just stopped being the 'flavour of the week', so would have been considered to have burned out rather than faded away.

Right, and the song was written right after Johnny Rotten left the Sex Pistols, in early 1978 (after terrible U.S. tour experience). That's the reference to johnny Rotten and burning out - He left/ended the Sex Pistols at the height of their fame.

Smapti 08-14-2019 06:45 AM

I, for one, consider listening to the electric version of the song to be the better way to understand its meaning. It's essentially grunge before there was a word to describe it, and it's my understanding that it was born out of Young's feeling that his generation was fading into irrelevance, the hippy dream was dead, and that it was the rockers who died young that'd be better remembered than those who'd lived on like himself.

I mean, it's no coincidence that a certain suicide note concluded thusly;

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt Cobain
Thank you all from the pit of my burning, nauseous stomach for your letters and concern during the past years. I'm too much of an erratic, moody baby! I don't have the passion anymore, and so remember, it's better to burn out than to fade away.


bobot 08-14-2019 07:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Asking Questions (Post 21804837)
It's a song about the Sex Pistols!

This is the story of Johnny Rotten.

Too bad ol Neil got confused about which member of the Sex Pistols died and which didn't.

It's better to burn out than fade away.

He doesn't really say that anyone died. The king is gone, but he's not forgotten...It's better to burn out than to fade away could just mean that it's Neil's opinion that Rotten's schtick didn't have staying power.

Just Asking Questions 08-14-2019 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Junior Spaceman (Post 21805080)
... Sid Vicious hadn't died yet by the time the song was recorded....

I did not know that! That puts a whole new interpretation that I'd completely missed. I apologize, Neil.

Dale Sams 08-14-2019 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt Cobain
Thank you all from the pit of my burning, nauseous stomach for your letters and concern during the past years. I'm too much of an erratic, moody baby! I don't have the passion anymore, and so remember, it's better to burn out than to fade away.
That sounds like a suicide note written FOR a suicidal person, then one written by the actual person.

IM JUST SAYING IM JUST SAYING....doesn't even mean he didn't commit suicide.


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