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handsomeharry 09-03-2009 10:36 AM

Is getting 'hosed' vulgar?
 
I think it's not a vulgarity, but, I can see it being a penile reference.

On my side, this commercial was on TV, but I cannot remember if it was cable or broadcast.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaDxcVPxB3g

Anybody know?
Thanks,
hh

Really Not All That Bright 09-03-2009 10:44 AM

http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_b...ages/823.html]
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: One reference has "hosed" under "The Slang Yack of the Computer Hack" and says it means "nonfunctioning." "Flappers 2 Rappers: American Youth Slang" by Tom Dalzell (Merriam-Webster Inc., Springfield, Md., 1996) Page 196. Doesn't say anything about the origin.

: Hosed-out -- adj. exhausted by fatigue; washed out. 1969, Jessup, "Sailor" 298: Never seen a crew hosed out like them. "Random House Historical Dictionary of American Slang, Volume 2, H-O, by J.E. Lighter, Random House, New York, 1997." Page 167.
Personally, I'm wondering if it comes from the practice of siphoning gasoline using a hose. "You got hosed" = "somebody ganked your fuel".

handsomeharry 09-03-2009 10:47 AM

Well, those definitions don't really match the context in which I've heard it. I've heard it more in the sense that getting hosed meant getting the raw end of the deal, getting cheated, or getting tricked, something similar.
Thanks for the answer,
hh

The Great Philosopher 09-03-2009 10:49 AM

I don't know the origin, but I know it's used even in fairly formal contexts - I've seen the term used on news channels and political websites. So even if the origin is vulgar it can't be a vulgar phrase nowadays...

Max Torque 09-03-2009 10:51 AM

Just to be safe, you may want to switch to the completely non-offensive term, "boned."

Really Not All That Bright 09-03-2009 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by handsomeharry (Post 11515589)
Well, those definitions don't really match the context in which I've heard it. I've heard it more in the sense that getting hosed meant getting the raw end of the deal, getting cheated, or getting tricked, something similar.
Thanks for the answer,
hh

Right- that's where the gas tank theory comes in.

Colibri 09-03-2009 11:09 AM

If the origin is simply "hosed out," it just refers to cleaning something out with powerful water hoses, which would be common enough in industrial sites. It could also have been influenced by the practice of breaking up demonstrations in the 1950s and 1960s by turning fire hoses on protesters.

kopek 09-03-2009 11:41 AM

The ELCA (Evangelical Lutheran Church in America) approved, in a manner of speaking, of the ad and did sign off on the script (although there was a lot of electronic discussion of it going on about it from what I remember). My take was that in this context "hosed" basically meant "screwed" but the official decission from church headquarters was that it meant "tricked". But mostly it all came down to dollars - Mountain Dew sold a lot of product with the ad and the ELCA got a big boost in the funds they needed to try to resurrect the Davey and Goliath series.

If you check around the closed meetings/archives of Ecunet, some of the old discussions may still be available in zip form.

Cat Whisperer 09-03-2009 11:51 AM

Bob and Doug McKenzie called each other and other people hosers derisively quite frequently, and it isn't a stretch from there to a hoser hosing people.

So, in closing, getting hosed is kind of vulgar, but not very in the grand scheme of things, so take off, eh?

Never Say Dice 09-03-2009 11:56 AM

On the show SCTV, the segment about The Great White North, Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas would talk in Canadian accents about hosers and getting hosed.
I presume it was the equivalent of British bugger all, etc. being a homosexal reference where that wasn't considered beyond the pale in ordinary company.

gazpacho 09-03-2009 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Great Philosopher (Post 11515598)
I don't know the origin, but I know it's used even in fairly formal contexts - I've seen the term used on news channels and political websites. So even if the origin is vulgar it can't be a vulgar phrase nowadays...

TV news and US political commentary has been pretty vulgar for a long time.

Colibri 09-03-2009 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Cat Whisperer (Post 11515818)
Bob and Doug McKenzie called each other and other people hosers derisively quite frequently, and it isn't a stretch from there to a hoser hosing people.

So, in closing, getting hosed is kind of vulgar, but not very in the grand scheme of things, so take off, eh?

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Originally Posted by Never Say Dice (Post 11515843)
On the show SCTV, the segment about The Great White North, Rick Moranis and Dave Thomas would talk in Canadian accents about hosers and getting hosed.
I presume it was the equivalent of British bugger all, etc. being a homosexal reference where that wasn't considered beyond the pale in ordinary company.

Wiki and other sites attribute hoser (and hosehead) to the rural practice of siphoning gas from cars.

samclem 09-03-2009 07:23 PM

To get "hosed" used as a verb, has slang origins in four different senses==

1. Military, going back to 1917. To riddle with automatic weapon fire.
2. Student. To curry favor with.
3. Police and Underworld. To beat with a rubber hose.
4. Getting cheated or victimized, and also vulgar as "to copulate with."

Peanuthead 09-03-2009 08:05 PM

Let's stop overlooking the obvious. To get hosed means you got screwed, you got fucked, you got the hose up the ol' wazoo! You can spin it all you want but it still means the same thing. You got fucked!
Not to get too far off the track, but what the hell do you all think the expression "sucks" means? You hear it all the time nowadays. This sucks. That sucks. You suck. I suck. He sucks. She sucks. Everything sucks. It means "sucks cock" and don't try to tell me anything different. It might be in the mainstream but don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining. Both expressions are indeed vulgar in their origin regardless of how much they are watered down by popular usage.

commasense 09-03-2009 08:19 PM

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Is getting 'hosed' vulgar?
It is if you do it right. :D

samclem 09-03-2009 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Peanuthead (Post 11517730)
Let's stop overlooking the obvious. To get hosed means you got screwed, you got fucked, you got the hose up the ol' wazoo! You can spin it all you want but it still means the same thing. You got fucked!
Not to get too far off the track, but what the hell do you all think the expression "sucks" means? You hear it all the time nowadays. This sucks. That sucks. You suck. I suck. He sucks. She sucks. Everything sucks. It means "sucks cock" and don't try to tell me anything different. It might be in the mainstream but don't piss on my head and tell me it's raining. Both expressions are indeed vulgar in their origin regardless of how much they are watered down by popular usage.

What you hear nowdays doesn't always mean that's where it started or meant when it started.

Case in point, the "that sucks" you hear today probably started/came from "sucks to be you" from the turn of the Century. Probably not sexual at all.

Bayard 09-03-2009 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by samclem (Post 11517844)
What you hear nowdays doesn't always mean that's where it started or meant when it started.

Case in point, the "that sucks" you hear today probably started/came from "sucks to be you" from the turn of the Century. Probably not sexual at all.

No kidding? That completely surprises me. But that seems to be predicated on "sucks" having some negative meaning at the Turn of the Century. Was "sucks" used in other contexts then (other than sucking on candy or nipples or whatever)?

Peanuthead 09-03-2009 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samclem (Post 11517844)
What you hear nowdays doesn't always mean that's where it started or meant when it started.

Case in point, the "that sucks" you hear today probably started/came from "sucks to be you" from the turn of the Century. Probably not sexual at all.


Good lord man! The "turn of the century" was less than nine years ago! "Sucks" means fellatio. That's what it meant in 2001 and that's what it meant in 2000 and 1999, and 1998, etc. We're talking about vulgar expressions. Getting "hosed" is vulgar. "Sucking" is vulgar. We're dealing in facts and it is what it is.

Indistinguishable 09-03-2009 09:09 PM

"Your grandmother sucks eggs."

Anyway, listen to samclem; he actually knows what he's talking about. Common sense can be misleading; counterintuitive as it may be, the evidence collected by those who study this sort of thing academically does indicate that the relevant sense of "sucks" quite likely did not, in fact, originally have anything to do with fellatio.

Indistinguishable 09-03-2009 09:16 PM

I suppose the phrase is actually "go teach your grandmother to suck eggs". My edit message is made even more prophetic...

Peanuthead 09-03-2009 09:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Indistinguishable (Post 11517929)
"Your grandmother sucks eggs."

Anyway, listen to samclem; he actually knows what he's talking about. Common sense can be misleading; counterintuitive as it may be, the evidence collected by those who study this sort of thing academically does indicate that the relevant sense of "sucks" quite likely did not, in fact, originally have anything to do with fellatio.

Yeah, right. It was never a euphemism, was it? They really meant suck eggs. Hmmm, chicken eggs? Duck eggs? Goose eggs? Yeah, suck those eggs while "another mule is kickin' in your stall".

samclem 09-03-2009 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samclem (Post 11517844)
What you hear nowdays doesn't always mean that's where it started or meant when it started.

Case in point, the "that sucks" you hear today probably started/came from "sucks to be you" from the turn of the Century. Probably not sexual at all.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bayard (Post 11517867)
No kidding? That completely surprises me. But that seems to be predicated on "sucks" having some negative meaning at the Turn of the Century. Was "sucks" used in other contexts then (other than sucking on candy or nipples or whatever)?

From the OED.

Quote:

A sycophant; esp. a schoolboy who curries favour with teachers. Cf. SUCK v. 26e; sucker-up s.v. SUCKER n. 14.

1900 FARMER Public School Word-Bk. 197 Suck, subs. (University), a parasite, a toady. 1907 B. M. CROKER Company's Servant xx. 213 He was just a suckthat's all. 1916 JOYCE Portrait of Artist (1969) i. 11 We all know why you speak. You are McGlade's suck. 1955 W. GADDIS Recognitions II. ii. 373 The shade of the boy whom he had not seen since they were boys together (Martin was Father Joseph's ‘suck’) lived on the air as though they had parted only minutes before.
11. pl. as int. Used as an expression of contempt, chiefly by children. Also in phr. sucks to you and varr. slang.

1913 C. MACKENZIE Sinister Street I. I. vii. 98 This kid's in our army, so sucks! 1922 F. HAMILTON P.J.: Secret Service Boy iv. 178 ‘S’, he announced, ‘u,c,k,s,t,o,y,o,u.’ 1935 N. MITCHISON We have been Warned I. 28 Brian is a baby. Oh sucks, oh sucks on Brian. 1945 E. WAUGH Brideshead Revisited II. v. 287 It's great sucks to Bridey. 1952 ‘C. BRAND’ London Particular xv. 191 A most regretable air of sucks to you. 1968 Melody Maker 30 Nov. 24/5 This is a rotten recordyah boo and sucks. 1974 Times 4 Mar. 9/5 Sucks boo, then, with acting like this, to that new National Theatre down the road. 1978 ‘J. LYMINGTON’ Waking of Stone ii. 45 ‘Sucks to you!’ she said..tossing her head so her pigtails swung. 1983 Listener 19 May 11/1 The council treated the urbane Mr Cook to the politician's equivalent of ‘Yah, boo, sucks’.

samclem 09-03-2009 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Peanuthead (Post 11517927)
Good lord man! The "turn of the century" was less than nine years ago! "Sucks" means fellatio. That's what it meant in 2001 and that's what it meant in 2000 and 1999, and 1998, etc. We're talking about vulgar expressions. Getting "hosed" is vulgar. "Sucking" is vulgar. We're dealing in facts and it is what it is.

:::sigh::: It's taking longer than even Cecil thought.

Let me spell it out for you. I've become so used to saying "turn of the century" to mean about 1890-1910, that I've become sloppy. I didn't think that many people would think I was talking about 1990-2010. Guess I'll have to rethink.

Do you NOW understand than I was talking about the decades of 1890-1910?

Bayard 09-03-2009 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by samclem (Post 11517969)
From the OED.

Fascinating. Thanks. I'd always been under the impression that "sucks" was an oral sex reference and that it really crossed over into everyday use in the late 80's or early 90's thanks to its being used often on Roseanne. I apparently put together a bunch of bad assumptions/information. Thanks for that!

Colibri 09-03-2009 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bayard (Post 11517994)
Fascinating. Thanks. I'd always been under the impression that "sucks" was an oral sex reference and that it really crossed over into everyday use in the late 80's or early 90's thanks to its being used often on Roseanne. I apparently put together a bunch of bad assumptions/information. Thanks for that!

Whatever it's origin in the early 1900s, when I was in high school and college in the 1960s and 1970s it certainly was understood to refer to oral sex and not something you would say around people of my parents' generation. So it may have gone through a not vulgar/vulgar/not so vulgar cycle.

Peanuthead 09-03-2009 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by samclem (Post 11517980)
:::sigh::: It's taking longer than even Cecil thought.

Let me spell it out for you. I've become so used to saying "turn of the century" to mean about 1890-1910, that I've become sloppy. I didn't think that many people would think I was talking about 1990-2010. Guess I'll have to rethink.

Do you NOW understand than I was talking about the decades of 1890-1910?

Okay, I'll give you that. But I don't believe that those lame expressions continued through the 20th century. You never heard anybody in the 1940s or 1950s saying something "sucks".
Just take it at face value. Somebody says "that sucks". Ask them what that means. They'll probably say it's bad or no good. Ask them what "sucking" has to do with it and you'll get a blank stare.
The OP asked if "hosed" was vulgar. It is. My misdirection opened up another can of worms but I believe the answer is the same. Yes, it too is vulgar.

Indistinguishable 09-03-2009 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Peanuthead (Post 11518066)
Okay, I'll give you that. But I don't believe that those lame expressions continued through the 20th century. You never heard anybody in the 1940s or 1950s saying something "sucks".

Bring evidence.

Quote:

Just take it at face value. Somebody says "that sucks". Ask them what that means. They'll probably say it's bad or no good. Ask them what "sucking" has to do with it and you'll get a blank stare.
What is this supposed to prove?

WotNot 09-04-2009 04:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by samclem (Post 11517980)
:::sigh::: It's taking longer than even Cecil thought.

Let me spell it out for you. I've become so used to saying "turn of the century" to mean about 1890-1910, that I've become sloppy. I didn't think that many people would think I was talking about 1990-2010. Guess I'll have to rethink.

Do you NOW understand than I was talking about the decades of 1890-1910?

:D I knew what you meant, but come on – the is the SDMB: if you leave a nit to be picked, picked it most certainly will be.

On which topic: you also referred to the phrase “sucks to be you” in that post, which to my mind is different from the “sucks to you” in the passage you quoted from the OED.


On a separate topic, though: can we clarify what we mean by “vulgar” here? It seems to me that in a discussion of this sort there's a useful distinction that could be made between words and expressions that are “vulgar” in the sense of common, coarse or unrefined, and those that are actually “obscene” in that they refer to sexual organs or activities.

Claude Remains 09-04-2009 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Colibri (Post 11515659)
It could also have been influenced by the practice of breaking up demonstrations in the 1950s and 1960s by turning fire hoses on protesters.

Having been born and raised in Detroit,MI- this statement is factual.


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