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Dale Sams 08-18-2019 11:31 PM

We don't have an EPL thread?
 
Hmmm...well...

1. My team Newcastle are going down and I'm going to laugh all the way. They handled Rafa horribly. Shite team. But maybe they can play Sunderland next year!

2. That new rule about 'A goal resulting from having been set up by a ball off an arm (whether deliberate or not) will be disallowed"....IS UTTER SHIT. It creates this bizarre quantum-realm where a foul is only a foul if a goal results from it. And what constitutes 'set-up'?


Here's a rule Q: Does a foul or yellow card as a result of improper celebrating still count if VAR disallows the goal??

Snarky_Kong 08-19-2019 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Sams (Post 21813103)
2. That new rule about 'A goal resulting from having been set up by a ball off an arm (whether deliberate or not) will be disallowed"....IS UTTER SHIT. It creates this bizarre quantum-realm where a foul is only a foul if a goal results from it. And what constitutes 'set-up'?

So, this is interesting because the Premier League website quotes the rule change differently than the actual Laws of the Game.

The LOTG says that for it to be a handball it has to be 1) deliberate or 2) a goal scored directly from the handball or 3) the handling player gains possession or control and then scores/assists. So basically if the ball hits your arm and falls to your feet, you can't score or assist.

The Premier League website says it like you quoted, omitting the part about the offending player gaining control/possession. The former sounds much more reasonable than the latter.

Quote:

Here's a rule Q: Does a foul or yellow card as a result of improper celebrating still count if VAR disallows the goal??
Still a yellow.

Walken After Midnight 08-19-2019 01:05 PM

One of the best nutmegs I've ever seen, incorporating a Cruyff Turn to ramp up the awesomeness:

Close view

Far view

Thing Fish 08-21-2019 08:37 PM

COYS!

Brilliant performance by Tottenham at the Etihad last week. We fully deserved all three points but were just sadly unlucky.

No, not really, we were shit, but not giving the point back! :D

mhendo 08-22-2019 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Sams (Post 21813103)
2. That new rule about 'A goal resulting from having been set up by a ball off an arm (whether deliberate or not) will be disallowed"....IS UTTER SHIT. It creates this bizarre quantum-realm where a foul is only a foul if a goal results from it. And what constitutes 'set-up'?

Completely agree.

Liverpool have started with two reasonably comfortable wins, although a real boner of a play by Adrian made last week's game against Southampton closer than it should have been.

Red Wiggler 08-22-2019 09:02 AM

This could be the season that Southampton fails to dodge relegation. It's been too goddam close now for two years running.

Guest-starring: Id! 08-25-2019 04:55 PM

Totally thrown off now by two frizzy-haired Gunners.
(Always thought Luiz woulda retired with Chelsea)
The game was barely in Liverpool's half in the first half yesterday.
I thought Luiz pulled enough jersey for that penalty.

Still almost a full half to go - Antoine Griezmann has potted two fine and dandy goals - couldn't even wait till end of game to report the Frenchman's awesomeness.

Snarky_Kong 08-26-2019 01:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guest-starring: Id! (Post 21825012)
Still almost a full half to go - Antoine Griezmann has potted two fine and dandy goals - couldn't even wait till end of game to report the Frenchman's awesomeness.

Did poorly give the ball away that led to the second Betis goal, but yeah, incredible game from him. I think it was probably a better performance than any Coutinho had.

I don't know what Barcelona should do with a full lineup, especially if they get Neymar. If I was the coach I'd sit Suarez and play Dembele - Griezmann - Messi, but I doubt that will happen. 4-2-3-1 with Busquets and de Jong as the pivots?

EPL wise I think Man City wins the league somewhat easily. They're just phenomenal and Liverpool over performed last year somewhat (going by xG for vs against).

Dale Sams 08-27-2019 11:59 PM

Gonna be kind of hard Magpies to get relegated if you're gonna pick up points in places like Tottenham.

Red Wiggler 08-28-2019 09:00 AM

Yes, that was an excellent win for the Maggies, as was Palace's at Old Trafford. At the end, though, I think they'll be one of a half dozen clubs with 20-some points heading into April, which always makes for a fun time.

From what I've seen of the three promoted clubs, they impress me more than last season's batch newly up from the Championship.

mhendo 08-28-2019 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guest-starring: Id! (Post 21825012)
(Always thought Luiz woulda retired with Chelsea)
The game was barely in Liverpool's half in the first half yesterday.
I thought Luiz pulled enough jersey for that penalty.

Enough?

It was almost like one of those cartoons, where the mouse is trying to get away but the cat's got his tail. What was even more hilarious was the way that Luiz actually had the balls to complain when the penalty was given. BBC commentator Jonathan Pearce said, in calling the match, "How can he protest to the referee he was doing no wrong?" Although he wasn't the only one. Unai Emery also whined about it.

I've always disliked Luiz, and it was really nice to see Salah leave him in the dust on the way to Liverpool's third goal.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Red Wiggler (Post 21829719)
Yes, that was an excellent win for the Maggies, as was Palace's at Old Trafford. At the end, though, I think they'll be one of a half dozen clubs with 20-some points heading into April, which always makes for a fun time.

From what I've seen of the three promoted clubs, they impress me more than last season's batch newly up from the Championship.

Newcastle played really well on the weekend. On the one hand, I thought they were a couple of goals better than Spurs, and could have won much more easily; on the other hand, they were lucky to get away with the win after Harry Kane was clearly fouled in the box with about 10 minutes to go. I couldn't believe that no penalty was given for that.

Love seeing ManU get beaten, and Palace did well to weather the sustained pressure that United put on them for the first half hour or so. When Ayew scored, it was totally against the general run of play up to that point.

I agree with you about the promoted clubs. I haven't seen Villa play yet, but Sheffield United have had a good start, and Norwich might have lost 2, but they looked good for long stretches against Man City on the weekend. Plenty of good teams give up more than 3 goals to City. I really like the look of Teemu Pukki, and there's something fun about hearing the commentators calling his name too. Pooooookey!!!! :)

Guest-starring: Id! 08-29-2019 10:13 PM

Um, what the hell is Cantona talking about here?

Snarky_Kong 08-30-2019 08:38 AM

Pretty nice Champion's league draw for all the English teams, all four should advance and probably 3 of them will win their groups. For the rest of the teams, only group F should see a big team be eliminated and my money is on Inter.

Dale Sams 09-14-2019 04:26 PM

Nicely done Norwich

NAF1138 09-15-2019 11:47 AM

After several really lackluster performances it was really really fun to watch Tottenham just dismantle Crystal Palace yesterday.

Sorry to any Palace fans.

Guest-starring: Id! 09-15-2019 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Sams (Post 21860590)
Nicely done Norwich

Indeed, quite the nailbiter as MC drew to within a goal near the end.
Newly promoted and injury-laden Canaries pull it off against the Prem champs. Cool.

Snarky_Kong 09-19-2019 01:53 PM

Normally I wouldn't say a 5-point hole is much of a big deal for a team the quality of Man City, but Liverpool are pretty damn good themselves. I still think City will win the league, but my confidence in that prediction has taken a big hit.

Red Wiggler 09-19-2019 02:25 PM

I am historically bad at predictions but it would not surprise me to see Liverpool win the league and City win Champions League this time around.

Snarky_Kong 09-23-2019 04:44 PM

Fifa best XI was just announced. Modric, Ramos, and Marcelo being in is a disgrace. de Jong, de Ligt, and Hazard could probably be argued against as well. Robertson, Kimmich/Alexander-Arnold, and Bernardo Silva have legit complaints.

Messi over VVD will probably be a bit controversial too, but I'm fine with it. Messi did have a monster year.

Dale Sams 10-06-2019 09:54 PM

Still think Newcastle are going down, but Manu look like they're playing with their U-23s

Meanwhile Newcastle play two young brothers (Longstaffs), a guy (Allan Saint Maximon) who looks like he's audtioning for A Chorus Line with all the stepovers and a diving **** (Almiron)

Walken After Midnight 10-06-2019 10:16 PM

Unexpected results over the weekend for some of the bigger teams:

Man City lost at home to Wolves, leaving them eight points adrift of leaders Liverpool after eight games.

Manchester United lost 0-1 at Newcastle. The scorer of the game's only goal was Newcastle's Matthew Longstaff, who was making his debut and playing alongside his brother, who's a couple of years older. So Newcastle may have a central midfield in the coming years of two brothers playing side by side.

Everton lost again and are now in the relegation zone.

Tottenham lost again (after getting spanked 2-7 by Bayern Munich at home earlier in the week), leaving them languishing in mid-table.

mhendo 10-06-2019 10:20 PM

Awesome weekend for Liverpool.

First they get away with a last-gasp victory over Leicester, thanks to a penalty in the fourth minute of added time at the end of the game. Then Wolves do them a massive favor by beating Man City 2-0, through a pair of very nice goals. Both games had me jumping off my couch.

madsircool 10-06-2019 11:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Walken After Midnight (Post 21901795)
Unexpected results over the weekend for some of the bigger teams:

Man City lost at home to Wolves, leaving them eight points adrift of leaders Liverpool after eight games.

Manchester United lost 0-1 at Newcastle. The scorer of the game's only goal was Newcastle's Matthew Longstaff, who was making his debut and playing alongside his brother, who's a couple of years older. So Newcastle may have a central midfield in the coming years of two brothers playing side by side.

Everton lost again and are now in the relegation zone.

Tottenham lost again (after getting spanked 2-7 by Bayern Munich at home earlier in the week), leaving them languishing in mid-table.

Tottenham really handled the Erikson situation terribly. He should have been playing all along.

NAF1138 10-07-2019 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madsircool (Post 21901880)
Tottenham really handled the Erikson situation terribly. He should have been playing all along.

Tottenham have bigger issues than Erikson. The fan base is calling for Pochettino's head.

Dale Sams 10-08-2019 01:12 PM

In a world where....

Tottenham
Chelsea
Arsenal
Manu

All look like shells of their former selves...that really leaves the gate open for European spots.

DSYoungEsq 10-11-2019 08:51 PM

Although they lost at the very end to 'Pool, my Foxes look like a solid bet for Europe next year. As I suspected, hiring Brendan Rodgers was a good move.

madsircool 10-12-2019 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Sams (Post 21904897)
In a world where....

Tottenham
Chelsea
Arsenal
Manu

All look like shells of their former selves...that really leaves the gate open for European spots.

Tottenham really screwed themselves with their handling of Cristian Erickson. Play him and with a couple of wins they will be back to normal.

Chelsea is an up and coming club with some great young players. Once their transfer ban is over they will be back to being a title contender.

Arsenal is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

Man U has made so many bad decisions. They are paying the karmic price for hiring the spawn of Satan Alex Ferguson. :p

Dead Cat 10-12-2019 10:15 AM

Even if we were to get relegated and win nothing for the next twenty years, it will have been worth it. See also: Sir Matt Busby :).

Snarky_Kong 10-26-2019 06:58 PM

Woohoo, Christian Pulisic with a hat trick against Burnley. Second American to have one in the EPL.

Dale Sams 10-27-2019 08:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madsircool (Post 21912388)
Tottenham really screwed themselves with their handling of Cristian Erickson. Play him and with a couple of wins they will be back to normal.

Chelsea is an up and coming club with some great young players. Once their transfer ban is over they will be back to being a title contender.

Arsenal is a riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma.

Man U has made so many bad decisions. They are paying the karmic price for hiring the spawn of Satan Alex Ferguson. :p

Chelsea definitely look better.

Newcastle are still my bet to go down.

Walken After Midnight 11-10-2019 12:29 PM

Handball.

polar bear 11-10-2019 01:11 PM

By both man city and Liverpool...

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Dead Cat 11-11-2019 04:08 AM

Man U seem to have turned so many corners, that they're back where they started. I'm really hoping they can find some more consistency, starting with beating Sheffield United convincingly in their next game. Unfortunately, the international break probably won't help with this.

I'm extremely impressed with Brendan Rogers and Leicester this season (I know, hardly a controversial view). I think an analyst on Match of the Day (probably Danny Murphy, can't remember) summed it up best by saying Leicester are clearly a team that has been well-drilled and crafted by their manager, whereas Arsenal just looked like the manager wrote 11 names on a sheet of paper. It's a bit mystifying to me why Arsenal are struggling so much. Likewise Spurs. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think many fans of either team expected their seasons to start like this (whereas there are plenty of pessimistic Man U fans whose expectations have been largely fulfilled). Also, Lampard and Chelsea are doing a good job of proving me wrong so far.

Liverpool - no words to describe how good they are, they deserve their lead. Kind of hoping for an implosion, but like last year, I'd rather they won the league than Man City (or Chelsea). For Leicester to win again would be truly amazing - it's not going to happen, but they have totally confounded my prediction when they reached 7th in the table last season that it would be their highest position for the next decade. Kudos to them.

At the other end of the table, Southampton look about done already - I hope not, and they have plenty of time, but their form is just so poor. It would be nice to see a club stick with their manager and see that pay off, though.

Snarky_Kong 11-11-2019 08:32 AM

Very exciting Liverpool - Man City game. Haven't watched all the replays to get angry over calls, but do think the game was much closer than the scoreline.

Liverpool won't keep their pace up for the whole season, but I can't imagine anyone is going to catch them. Man City basically have to win out the rest of the season and even that might not be enough.

mhendo 11-11-2019 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snarky_Kong (Post 21966416)
Very exciting Liverpool - Man City game. Haven't watched all the replays to get angry over calls, but do think the game was much closer than the scoreline.

Liverpool fan here.

The game was definitely closer than the scoreline suggests, especially in the first half-hour or so, when Man City had at least as many chances as Liverpool, but just couldn't get the final touch right. It was amazing that Liverpool were up 2-0 and they had probably been outplayed a bit, but managed to benefit from some fantastic counter-attacking play. Liverpool, though, looked much the better team from about mid-way in the first half to mid-way in the second.

As for the decisions, you could quibble about a couple, but they were pretty close, and I think that Guardiola's histrionics were a bit over the top.

Dale Sams 11-11-2019 11:32 AM

So not only do my Newcastle defenders have bags more goals then the ONE my three forwards have accrued....if you watch the Newcastle-Bournmouth highlights...these arnt "Defender shoots from outside the box or header off a corner goals". Yedlin literally went into the goal right after his thumping header. Clark was about 7 yards out.

Like in Football Manager I found myself yelling, "What the hell are you doing up there???" Not that I'm complaining.

Red Wiggler 11-12-2019 02:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dead Cat (Post 21966283)
At the other end of the table, Southampton look about done already - I hope not, and they have plenty of time, but their form is just so poor. It would be nice to see a club stick with their manager and see that pay off, though.

Sorry for cutting off the good stuff about the more interesting teams but I'm a Saints guy. In 2017, I predicted Soton would be relegated at season's end, only to see them escape by the narrowest of margins. In 2018, I predicted again that they would not be able to remain in the top flight, only to once again see a close escape. A few months ago, however, I thought I saw enough spark from the new manager that a prediction that they were staying up was a rational one. I think I'm about to go 0-for-3 in "Ralphampton" predictions.

Dale Sams 11-19-2019 03:31 PM

If *i* got fired in Football Manager, in November, after leading the team to a CL final...i'd be screaming how broken the game was.

polar bear 11-19-2019 03:41 PM

Nah, it was coming. The CL final was just disguising what was a pretty average season (they were outplayed for most of the semi final as well). A few seasons ago they were playing for the title..but lately they aren't even close. A whole bunch of players seem to want to leave (for a while now) and Poch has been complaining about not getting the players he wants. To me it seems like a fairly logical moment to part ways, just before sort of rebuilding a team.

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Walken After Midnight 11-19-2019 03:41 PM

Pochettino's recent Premier League record, going back to the end of last season:

Played: 24
Won: 6 (25%)
Drawn: 7 (29%)
Lost: 11 (46%)

Jose Mourinho has recently been sniffing around the London clubs, so I wouldn't be surprised if he's already been approached.

Snarky_Kong 11-19-2019 03:51 PM

They only made it out of their group last year based on goals for. Then they get a lucky draw against Dortmund and beat both Man City and Ajax on away goals where they were the worse team in both series. They're currently in 14th!

A lucky Cinderella run last year doesn't erase the fact that they're trash this season.

Dale Sams 11-19-2019 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snarky_Kong (Post 21982237)
They only made it out of their group last year based on goals for. Then they get a lucky draw against Dortmund and beat both Man City and Ajax on away goals where they were the worse team in both series. They're currently in 14th!

A lucky Cinderella run last year doesn't erase the fact that they're trash this season.

Beat Newcastle and they're in fifth place.

"Well they didn't beat Newcastle"...yeah and "Worse team in both series" = "Better team in the one stat that matters"

They beat the first place team and the team that beat Juventus and Real Madrid.

Wilson 11-19-2019 05:07 PM

If Spurs don't get Mourinho, this Gunners fan would be glad to let them have Unai Emery :)

Snarky_Kong 11-19-2019 05:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Sams (Post 21982307)
Beat Newcastle and they're in fifth place.

"Well they didn't beat Newcastle"...yeah and "Worse team in both series" = "Better team in the one stat that matters"

They beat the first place team and the team that beat Juventus and Real Madrid.

Cool story bro.

Thing Fish 11-19-2019 06:17 PM

Reports are that Spurs brass are negotiating with Mourinho at this very moment. This should be..interesting.

Dale Sams 11-19-2019 06:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thing Fish (Post 21982507)
Reports are that Spurs brass are negotiating with Mourinho at this very moment. This should be..interesting.

I know it makes me look like I'm butthurt and a Spurs fan but I've got one snark left and then I'll drop it

"Enjoy your 12th place finish under Jose Spurs, while Poch is at Barca."

madsircool 11-19-2019 07:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thing Fish (Post 21982507)
Reports are that Spurs brass are negotiating with Mourinho at this very moment. This should be..interesting.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale Sams (Post 21982558)
I know it makes me look like I'm butthurt and a Spurs fan but I've got one snark left and then I'll drop it

"Enjoy your 12th place finish under Jose Spurs, while Poch is at Barca."

These would be two horrible hires. Mourihno destroys teams and has slid into Hitlerian paranoia. https://www.espn.com/soccer/club/man...ure-unravelled Poch hasnt shown that he is ready for the pressure of a high profile job like Barca.

Thing Fish 11-19-2019 08:54 PM

Well, looks like the Mourinho era at Spurs is underway. I predict this will not be remembered as a good decision, but COYS! And good luck to Poch, wherever he ends up next.

PS From what I've heard, Pochettino internalized hatred of Barca while playing for Espanyol and would never consider that job even if they wanted him.

Dale Sams 11-19-2019 10:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thing Fish (Post 21982714)
Well, looks like the Mourinho era at Spurs is underway. I predict this will not be remembered as a good decision, but COYS! And good luck to Poch, wherever he ends up next.

PS From what I've heard, Pochettino internalized hatred of Barca while playing for Espanyol and would never consider that job even if they wanted him.

Ahhh...Manu?

Snarky_Kong 11-20-2019 07:28 AM

Mourinho in at Spurs. That was fast.

I wonder if they'll let him spend over the summer. I can see a lot of frustration there, both ways.


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