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Baker 12-01-2018 06:35 AM

Celebrity Death Pool 2019
 
It’s the most wonderful time of the year!!! And let me tell you, it’s great to be back as Death Mistress. I want to give a huge, I tell you, huge shout out to phungi for handling this sucker for 2017 and 2018.

So, I’m ready to wield the ceremonial scythe again, after having some time off. Here, once again, are the rules. Please read and follow them, especially if you are playing for the first time. Following the format makes it so much easier for me.

The Rules:

1. You pick 13 celebrities (that's thirteen, not ten) whom you predict will die within the calendar year 2018. If any of your celebrities dies, you score 100 points minus their age at death. Whoever has the most points at the end of the year wins the undying *snort* admiration of the SDMB.

2. All picks must be time- and date-stamped by midnight Chicago time, Dec. 31st, 2018. (That's U.S. Central time, which is six hours behind Greenwich.)

3. Valid picks are not:

a. already dead
b. a fictional character
c. non-human
d. under age 18 at death, 'cause we're macabre but not THAT macabre.
e. a registered member of the SDMB, 'cause that would be weird
f. hostages held by terrorist organizations
g. famous solely as a result of their illness or associated actions/events.

It’s really hard to define “celebrity” Best we can do is someone who’s death is rather widely reported in major media outlets, because of something they’ve done, be it art, politics, athletics, science, music, the military, or even serial murder. It’s not going to be your Aunt Mabel who was in the local paper because her apple pie won first place in the county fair. HOWEVER, if you DO have a question about whether or not someone’s choice qualifies, please, I’d prefer a PM about it to start off with, rather than thrashing it out in public and possibly causing resentment. Remember, people, it’s only a game! It’s supposed to be fun!

4. You can pick people who are 100 or more years old but you won't score points for them. See the "Quantity Not Quality" award, below.

5. If we are uncertain about the celebrity's age at death, we will go by the higher age (lower score).

6. Prisoners held on death row will be valid for scoring points only if they die by means other than official execution. I call this the “Whitey Bulger“.rule.

7. Any poster who kills or otherwise contributes to the death of any celebrity mentioned in this thread is disqualified. It's just a game, people. The only exceptions to this rule would be deaths caused by those posters serving as members of the police or armed forces of any country, in the line of duty.

8. Editing your choices: be careful! You can make changes to your list before the end of the year, but it has to be clear which names are your final choices. It might be advisable to submit one or more "alternates" with your list, in the event that one of your picks dies during December 2018. If you have no alternates, and one of your picks has died the remaining twelve will be all you have. You may have no more than 13 picks. If you pick more than 13, or if any of your picks is otherwise invalid, I may ask for clarification. Otherwise, I will submit the first 13 names on your list. Do me a favor: check twice, post once.

We have no rule about submitted lists having to be unique, despite claims of "copying" anyone else's list. We will just turn up our noses at you if you do this. Sharing news of celebrities in ill health and whatnot is up to individual posters.

If a poster playing the game gets banned during the year, this does not invalidate their entry, although they won’t be able to gloat in the thread if and/or when they do get points.

If a player changes their username at some point, post this news on the thread, or PM me, so I know who you are.

Some celebrities have common, identical or similar names. It is helpful to be specific.

Spelling counts! Please try to spell celebrities' names correctly. Names that weren’t originally spelled in English can be tricky, I know, but if you aren’t sure of a name, try looking at what a major news outlet, like CNN or the BBC, uses.

While all deaths garnering points must occur during the calendar year, I know that a death might go unreported for a day or so. So, I will not post official total points for 48 hours after 12/31/2019. If you find that one of your picks died, say, late on 12/31/2019, and you didn’t hear about it until Jan. 2, 2020(this is a not so subtle hint to check your lists)then post a cite by midnight, Jan. 2, 2020, and you will get your points. After that you will be out of luck.

Additional awards:

The "Opening Kickoff" Award: awarded to the poster or posters who pick the first listed celebrity to die in 2019.

The "Quantity Not Quality" Award: awarded to the poster or posters who pick the greatest number of celebrities who died, regardless of their actual point value.

The "Inside Track With the Grim Reaper" Award: awarded to the poster or posters who had the most unique picks that died.

The "Robbing the Cradle" Award: awarded to the poster or posters who pick the youngest celebrity to die in 2019, but see rule 3.d.

The "Final Hours" Award: awarded to the poster or posters who pick the last listed celebrity to die in 2019.

List Format:

I have two spreadsheets that allow me to post game standings and produce various other statistics. The pain is "loading" the data into the sheets. I can do each list in a single cut and paste if you do the following two things. First, please observe, what I, Baker, refer to as the “Pope” rule, that is, use the name a celebrity is most commonly known by. It isn’t necessarily their birth name. If a person is known primarily by a titled name, please use that. So it wouldn’t be Jorge Bergoglio, it would be Pope Francis. And don’t put down Elizabeth Windsor, put down Queen Elizabeth II. For all I know there are other celebrities with the plain names. If you do pick George or Lizzy, under their lesser known names, I might not notice it, to give you those points if and when they shuffle off this mortal coil and go to join the choir invisible.

And second, post your list in a plain format. An example of a plain list follows here:

Sam Brownback
Jeff Colyer
Pat Roberts
Jerry Moran
Tim Huelskamp
Mike Pompeo
Kevin Yoder
Derek Schmidt
Kris Kobach
Ron Estes
Ken Selzer
Donald Trump
Mike Pence

However, I know that many of you like to include commentary within your lists, such as:

Donald(Pumpkin-in-Chief)Trump
Sam(only 26% approval rating as governor)Brownback

That’s fine, it’s entertaining. But if you do that, please include the list again in plain format for me to copy & paste.

It’s good to be the Death Mistress!

Have fun, sickos, and “May the odds be ever in your favor!”

RTFirefly 12-01-2018 07:15 AM

Our Death Mistress is in the house!!



ETA: Damn, this means I've got to start putting together my 2019 list! :D

Mahaloth 12-01-2018 08:20 AM

I have to remove George Bush from my potential list.

Czarcasm 12-01-2018 08:25 AM

Queen Elizabeth
Meat Loaf
Jimmy Carter
Rosalynn Carter
The Amazing Johnathan
Pat Boone
Pat Robertson
Joe Piscopo
John Rhys-Davies
Hal Holbrook
Donald Trump
Larry Flynt
James Randi
Alternates:
Mary-Kate Olsen
Ashley Olsen
Dan Rather

Happy Lendervedder 12-01-2018 08:52 AM

The Shroom is Dead! Long live the Mistress!

Lancia 12-01-2018 11:23 AM

Are we doing the "two separate lists in two separate threads" nonsense this year for those of us with themed lists?

GIGObuster 12-01-2018 12:29 PM

As usual, I post a preliminary list that will usually change in the last day, just in case I do forget to make the changes later or on time.

Kaing Guek Eav
Olivia Newton-John
Artie Lange
Fernando Ricksen
Leah Bracknell
Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi
Linda Nolan
Marieke Vervoort
Kamala
Little Richard
Ric Flair
José José
Sean Connery

Alts:
Donald Trump
Dick Cheney






Baker. Will you set an email to get secret lists from posters as we did last year?

Baker 12-01-2018 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GIGObuster (Post 21353013)

Baker. Will you set an email to get secret lists from posters as we did last year?

I'm not familiar with the "secret lists" thing. Why are they secret? I'll PM phungi about it.

swampbear 12-01-2018 01:05 PM

Thank you, oh great DeathMistress for once again taking up the reins of this most gruesome, macabre, somewhat disgusting but dang fun game! You might want to change calendar year 2018 to calendar year 2019 in rule number one. I shall wait a few days at least to post my list. I must first decide who deserves to become immortal. :D

Gatopescado 12-01-2018 01:19 PM

I have never scored a single point. :(


Prince Phillip
Johnny Knoxville
Queen Elizabeth
Charlie Sheen
Steve-O
Travis Pastrana
Bam Margera
Andy Bell
Josh Todd
Bombshell McGee
Danny Bonaduce
Michael Schumacher
Max Verstappen

Again, a perverse pleasure in sandwiching the Queen between Knoxville and Sheen.

Stephe96 12-01-2018 01:56 PM

Julia Louis-Dreyfus
John Williams
Gene Hackman
David Geffen
Valerie Harper
Dustin Hoffman
Stephen King
Tina Turner
William Hurt
Val Kilmer
Kevin Spacey
Penny Marshall
Art Garfunkel

Alternates:

Matt Lauer
Steven Spielberg
Madonna

Mahaloth 12-01-2018 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baker (Post 21353022)
I'm not familiar with the "secret lists" thing. Why are they secret? I'll PM phungi about it.

I did it for him. Let me know if you want to use it again.

Superdude 12-01-2018 08:01 PM

Marla Gibbs

Fred Willard

Steven Tyler

Ringo Starr

Nichelle Nichols

Dick Van Dyke

Billy Joel

Wilford Brimley

Deep Roy

Olivia Newton John

Alternates;

Stephen King

Richard Dreyfuss

Harvey Keitel

RTFirefly 12-01-2018 08:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baker (Post 21353022)
I'm not familiar with the "secret lists" thing. Why are they secret?

The idea is, some players don't want other players to benefit from their research. (Fair enough, though taking it a wee bit overseriously, IMHO.)

One way to handle this is to wait until 11:59pm CST 12/31 to post one's list, but as mentioned, Mahaloth came up with a way of submitting lists secretly before the deadline, with the lists submitted that way being revealed by the DM on January 1. A lot of people took advantage of that in this year's game.

Baker 12-01-2018 08:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTFirefly (Post 21353711)
The idea is, some players don't want other players to benefit from their research. (Fair enough, though taking it a wee bit overseriously, IMHO.)

One way to handle this is to wait until 11:59pm CST 12/31 to post one's list, but as mentioned, Mahaloth came up with a way of submitting lists secretly before the deadline, with the lists submitted that way being revealed by the DM on January 1. A lot of people took advantage of that in this year's game.

You know, I do think that a secret list is taking things too seriously.

I want to encourage participation but that means I'd be posting someone's list for them on 1/1. And I have things I'd rather be doing the morning after my birthday.

If not having secret lists would stop someone from playing I'll take them, so just PM me the list and I'll put it aside in a special file.

zadscmc 12-01-2018 08:49 PM

For the past two years I waited to the last minute and then missed the deadline. So, I am here, now posting:

Henry Kissinger
Joni Mitchell
Ralph Nader
Willie Mays
Ronnie Wood
Don Newcombe
Whitey Ford
Red Schoendienst
Girma Wolde-Giorgis
Pope Benedict XVI
ALTS:
Hosni Mubarak
Ciriaco Di Mita
Dick Van Dyke

GuanoLad 12-01-2018 09:07 PM

For the last few weeks I've actually had the wherewithal to add names to my list when I stumble upon celebrity illness articles. So for the first time in a while my list is peopled with new names.

Mel Brooks
Ruth Buzzi
Sean Connery
Billy Connolly
Tim Conway
Windsor Davies
Glenn Fabry
Marie Fredriksson
Liza Minnelli
Bob Newhart
Betty White
June Whitfield
John Williams

BACKUPS
David Attenborough
Quentin Blake
Gary Glitter

NOTES
Glenn Fabry is a British comic book artist
Windsor Davies and June Whitfield are British sitcom actors
Marie Fredrikkson is from the band Roxette

Andrew 21 12-01-2018 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zadscmc (Post 21353766)
Red Schoendienst

He died in June.

Little Nemo 12-01-2018 10:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zadscmc (Post 21353766)
Red Schoendienst

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew 21 (Post 21353834)
He died in June.

If you're looking for a suggestion, Tommy Lasorda took his place as the oldest living baseball hall of famer.

boffking 12-01-2018 11:29 PM

Paul Lepage
Eddie Lampert
Prince Phillip
Orrin Hatch
Jaromir Jagr
Damien Hess aka MC Frontalot
Justin Bieber
Hugh Jackman
Jon Bon Jovi
Steven King
Jeff Bezos
Bashar Al Assad
Shigeru Miyamoto
Alternates:
Elvis Costello
Dale Earnhardt Jr.
Emmanuel Macron

RTFirefly 12-02-2018 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zadscmc (Post 21353766)
For the past two years I waited to the last minute and then missed the deadline. So, I am here, now posting:

Henry Kissinger
Joni Mitchell
Ralph Nader
Willie Mays
Ronnie Wood
Don Newcombe
Whitey Ford
Red Schoendienst
Girma Wolde-Giorgis
Pope Benedict XVI
ALTS:
Hosni Mubarak
Ciriaco Di Mita
Dick Van Dyke

You get 13 picks. I see 10 picks and 3 alts, so you could just put your alts on your main list.

Baker 12-02-2018 06:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTFirefly (Post 21354075)
You get 13 picks. I see 10 picks and 3 alts, so you could just put your alts on your main list.

I've PMed the player about this.

Superdude 12-02-2018 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baker (Post 21354108)
I've PMed the player about this.

Not the other player, but you PM'd me, as well, and for the same reason.

Here are the three celebrities that I forgot to include initially. In order to keep my alternates in their designated roles, please add:

Linda Ronstadt

Frances Sternhagen

Michael McKean

Loach 12-02-2018 07:54 PM

You know you have been in the Death Pool too long if you can quickly scroll through the thread and still realize someone didn't pick 13.

RTFirefly 12-03-2018 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Loach (Post 21355191)
You know you have been in the Death Pool too long if you can quickly scroll through the thread and still realize someone didn't pick 13.

That's easy to spot. What *is* visually confusing is when a player doesn't leave a space between their 13 picks and the alternates, and for a moment you're thinking that someone had 17 picks, before you see what's going on.

zadscmc 12-03-2018 11:10 AM

I have revised my list removing Red S. and following the 13 plus 3 rule.
Henry Kissinger
Joni Mitchell
Ralph Nader
Willie Mays
Ronnie Wood
Don Newcombe
Whitey Ford
Ed Kranepool
Girma Wolde-Giorgis
Pope Benedict XVI
Hosni Mubarak
Ciriaco Di Mita
Dick Van Dyke
ALTS:
Mel Brooks
Ian St. John
David Crosby

Shodan 12-04-2018 02:37 PM

Mike Tyson
James "Buster" Douglas
Ruth Bader-Ginsberg
Bill Clinton
Robert Downey Jr.
Paul McCartney
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Lindsay Lohan
Gordon Moore
Betty White
Bob Dylan
Woody Allen
Bill Cosby

Regards,
Shodan

Czarcasm 12-04-2018 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shodan (Post 21358825)
Mike Tyson
James "Buster" Douglas
Ruth Bader-Ginsberg
Bill Clinton
Robert Downey Jr.
Paul McCartney
Arnold Schwarzenegger
Lindsay Lohan
Gordon Moore
Betty White
Bob Dylan
Woody Allen
Bill Cosby

Regards,
Shodan

Putting yourself in as an alternate?

Gutsy.

standard_deviation 12-04-2018 05:36 PM

Hi, I have never played before but would like to submit my humble offering of 13 names (and three alternates) in the hope that the Death Pool deities find them worthy. Also, are there 13 for a Baker's dozen?


Val Valentino
Michael Gambon
Maggie Smith
Billy Joel
Michael Caine
Paddy Ashdown
Randy Orton
John Motson
Eric Idle
Timothy West
Glenn Hoddle
Jimmy Carter
Joan Plowright

Alternates:
Uri Geller
Christopher Awdry
Justin Bieber

Baker 12-04-2018 05:44 PM

:D

No, it's for the "lucky" connotations of the number thirteen.

Shodan 12-05-2018 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Czarcasm (Post 21358859)
Putting yourself in as an alternate?

Gutsy.

Hey, points is points. Besides, being on my list is practically a guarantee of immortality.

Regards,
Shodan

meghan 12-05-2018 01:42 PM

Keith Richards
Bill Clinton
MaryKate Olsen
Lance Armstrong
Vladimir Putin
Dick Cheney
Bernie Madoff
Lindsey Lohan
Steve Bannon
Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi
Kate Gosselin
Russell Brand
Justin Bieber

Alternates:

Pat Boone
Hillary Clinton

Moriarty 12-05-2018 01:56 PM

John Madden
Jimmy Carter
Shannon Dougherty
Betty White
Charlie Sheen
Wilford Brimley
Paula Deen
Sandy Koufax
Bob Dole
Pete Rose
John Mellencamp
Billy Joel
Rush Limbaugh

Alternates:
Daniel Day Lewis
Tom Hanks
Sally Fields

Bayaker 12-06-2018 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lancia (Post 21352880)
Are we doing the "two separate lists in two separate threads" nonsense this year for those of us with themed lists?

It looks that way: https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...d.php?t=866517

Phungi is keeping that one while Baker graciously takes back the main game.

RTFirefly 12-06-2018 06:23 AM

The idea of a separate 'themed list' thread is that a themed list tends to score fewer points than a list that draws from the entire population of celebrities. Having a separate thread means you don't have to choose between having a theme and going for max points.

But if you just want a themed list, and you want to have it in this thread, that's A-OK AFAICT.

Bayaker 12-06-2018 06:42 AM

I missed last year because the Themed Death Pool was done as another thread, so my Mary Tyler Moore Show list was put in there and I never got around to doing one for the real Death Pool, not that my zero points mattered. This list was slapped-together by googling for celebrities who are, or have been, old or sick. Not being a pop-culture maven, the only thing that took a little time was finding people that I have actually heard of :)

Kathleen Blanco
Tom Brokaw
Tommy Chong
Sean Connery
Shannen Doherty
Michael Douglas
Michael J. Fox
Valerie Harper
Val Kilmer
Joan Lunden
Liza Minnelli
Olivia Newton-John
Kenny Rogers

Alternates:

Jimmy Carter
Jim Kelly
Julia Louis-Dreyfus

Michael Douglas is the actor, son of Kirk. There are several other semi-famous ones.
Kenny Rogers is the singer, not the former MLB pitcher
Jim Kelly is the former NFL QB, not the British author.

phungi 12-06-2018 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RTFirefly (Post 21362118)
The idea of a separate 'themed list' thread is that a themed list tends to score fewer points than a list that draws from the entire population of celebrities. Having a separate thread means you don't have to choose between having a theme and going for max points.

But if you just want a themed list, and you want to have it in this thread, that's A-OK AFAICT.

As the "keeper of the Themed list" I agree with this.

Baker 12-06-2018 02:51 PM

And as the DeathMistress of the regular list, I also agree.

Baker 12-06-2018 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bayaker (Post 21362139)
Michael Douglas is the actor, son of Kirk. There are several other semi-famous ones.
Kenny Rogers is the singer, not the former MLB pitcher
Jim Kelly is the former NFL QB, not the British author.

Thanks for making those names clear. I didn't know there was more than one famous Kenny Rogers either.

And your list looks like a good one too.

Baker 12-06-2018 08:41 PM

Your humble DeathMistress submits her list. These folks are frim oldest to youngest.

Conrad Bachmann
Charlotte Stewart
Fred Ward
Richard Marcus
Michael Gross
Thomas Rosales, Jr.
Helen Shaver
Marcelo Tubert
Reba McEntire
Kevin Bacon
Finn Carter
Chris Gartin
Robert Jayne

Alt:

Ariana Richards

Bayaker 12-07-2018 07:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baker (Post 21363555)
And your list looks like a good one too.

Thank you, but given the history of "gotta be a winner" lists, I fear you have just assured the immortality of my thirteen :)

Shodan 12-07-2018 07:56 AM

BTW I meant this Gordon Moore. If that's necessary.

Regards,
Shodan

Ponch8 12-07-2018 10:42 AM

Here is my list.

Lukasz Gottwald
Donald Trump
Bashar Assad
Justin Bieber
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
Pat Robertson
Kim Kardashian
Hassan Nasrallah
Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi
Steve Bannon
Wayne LaPierre
Louis Farrakhan
Roger Waters

Alternates:

James Taylor
Bob Seger
Little Richard

Hopefully all 13 people on my main list die in 2019 (or 2018), while the alternates are just random musicians I picked off the top of my head.

Quartz 12-07-2018 05:18 PM

Oh well, I've just checked on one of my sure-fire picks for 2019 and found he has died. :(

The rest are, of course, now sure-fire survivors.

Quartz 12-07-2018 05:26 PM

And another, Jael Strauss, bit the dust just the other day.

AirFarce1 12-08-2018 04:50 AM

Stephen King
Tommy Lasorda
Ruth Bader-Ginsberg
Jimmy Carter
Queen Elizabeth
Paul McCartney
Kirk Douglas
David Hasselhoff
Olivia De Havilland
Betty White
Hal Holbrook
Woody Allen
Bill Cosby


Charlie Sheen
Johnny Depp
Michael J. Fox

RTFirefly 12-08-2018 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quartz (Post 21366051)
And another, Jael Strauss, bit the dust just the other day.

Duly noted a couple days ago in the 2018 thread.

She'd been on my list of prospects too - found out (like you probably did) when I was Googling my prospects to verify that they were (a) still living, and (b) still in questionable health.

RTFirefly 12-08-2018 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ponch8 (Post 21365281)
Here is my list.

Lukasz Gottwald
Donald Trump
Bashar Assad
Justin Bieber
Ayatollah Ali Khamenei
Pat Robertson
Kim Kardashian
Hassan Nasrallah
Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi
Steve Bannon
Wayne LaPierre
Louis Farrakhan
Roger Waters

Alternates:

James Taylor
Bob Seger
Little Richard

Hopefully all 13 people on my main list die in 2019 (or 2018), while the alternates are just random musicians I picked off the top of my head.

I'll be rooting for you. :D

FlikTheBlue 12-09-2018 07:08 PM

Here's my list.

Bob Barker
Pope Benedict XVI
Thad Cochran
Bill Cosby
Neil Diamond
Tony Dorsett
Selena Gomez
Sarah Hyland
José José
Demi Lovato
Andrés Manuel López Obrador
Nichelle Nichols
Regis Philbin

Alternates

Queen Elizabeth II
Prince Philip

lel 12-09-2018 07:43 PM

It has been entirely too long.

Without further ado:
George Takei
Jimmy Carter
Meat Loaf
Melania Trump
Jane Dee Hull
Sandra Day O'Connor
Ruth Bader Ginsburg
Angela Merkel
Johnny Manziel
Urban Meyer
Melania Trump
Rex Tillerson
Stevie Nicks

Alternates:
Fritz Hollings
Meghan Markle
Valerie Bertinelli


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