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Raza 03-24-2018 09:22 AM

The Far Cry 5 Thread
 
Far Cry 5 is expected to release (in the US, at least) on Tuesday March 27 for PC, XBox1, and PS4.

A cow-orker, who got bored of the FPS realm for the last couple of years, is eagerly anticipating it, being drawn back in with the co-op feature. From my limited reading the co-op seems to function like Borderlands, which I enjoyed very much: the visitor won't advance their own story line, but will retain their gained XP, cash, and most loot (exceptions for mission-specific loot).

I will buy next week IF the initial reviews (both critics and end users) are reasonably favorable. I enjoyed FC 2 and 3 for the most part (3 had some timed missions that I hated), and I skipped over 4.

Jophiel 03-24-2018 10:37 AM

I've played and enjoyed 2, 3 & 4. Didn't care for Primal so much as the Unga-Bunga nonsense annoyed me and I like shooting people more than I like throwing pointy sticks at them. Plus it lacked the compelling antagonist aspect of 3 & 4.

The rest, I loved. Some people complained about 4 but it was what I wanted: a better version of 3 with more features and most of the annoyances worked out.

I have high hopes for 5 as I'm happy with the formula. The "Arcade" of custom maps sounds like it will be awesome, letting players use assets from the previous Far Cry games plus Watch Dogs, AC:4 Black Flag & AC: Unity to create maps.

Shamozzle 03-24-2018 04:28 PM

I'm really looking forward to it as I've been itching to start something new since I finished Horizon Zero Dawn.

It looks like it has the potential to be fantastic. I just hope it doesn't have any pointless annoyances such as endless raptors dive-bombing you out of the blue (FC4). That got old real quick....

Raza 03-24-2018 05:25 PM

I just saw an ad on TV; I wasn't sure what they were selling, but the ad drew me in. Only at the end did it reveal that it was for FC5.

The ad on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TngaSOi5234

Jophiel 03-28-2018 08:29 AM

Far Cry 5 is, in fact, more Far Cry. If you liked 3/BD/4/Primal then you'll probably have fun. If you have deep moral objections to Ubisoft map marker games then you probably won't find anything new here to change your mind.

You spend your time in scenic Montana wandering the wilderness and killin' dudes, stealing trucks, taking bases, rescuing citizens, etc. More robust AI companions, I assume the mechanics are from Primal, and a new feature or two like fishing and flying airplanes. After leaving the intro island, I set off and rescued a puma to make my traveling buddy, developed a love for the shotgun, did some hunting, rescued some people, opened an outpost or two and ignored everyone to catch some sweet rainbow trout. Oh, and the obligatory Far Cry drug trip. Good times. Like earlier games, it's not afraid to wink at itself (example, finding a book on a floor titled Malaria is Annoying) but never approaching the genre satire level of FC: Blood Dragon or Saints Row.

Only real dings on the reviews seem to come from people who desperately want video games to be Very Important Things and are upset that the plot is an excuse to travel the hills of Montana, shooting bison and cultists with a truck mounted .50 cal, and not an deeply insightful exploration of the intersection of religion, gun culture, patriotism and rural independence.

Visually, it's generally gorgeous and atmospheric, traveling through mountain forests and down rivers although there's some bizarrely jarring low-res textures especially in buildings (stuff like radios look like they're from a PS2). I'm playing at 1080p on an i5-8600K and GTX 1080 and get average 105 fps on Ultra.

Raza 03-28-2018 12:31 PM

I was only able to play about 90 minutes last night, of which the first 30 was mostly unskippable cutscenes and "follow these people". But I enjoyed it once I was turned loose. I was a bit annoyed that I can't keep both my bow and rifle, but I assume I'll unlock that ability down the road.

I'm playing on the game's "recommended for you" settings: 1080p @ monitor-limited 60 Hz. I have an i5 3.2Ghz and GTX 1060; no stuttering or lag.

Jophiel 03-28-2018 02:58 PM

As a quick tip: You get a perk point for every first time you skin an animal or catch a fish from what I can tell. It takes eight points to unlock a second main weapon slot. So go out and kill one of everything you see and skin it and do a little fishing and you'll be able to unlock it in fairly short order.

Edit: The skill is called "Holster" and has the icon you'd imagine it'd have.

Raza 03-28-2018 04:59 PM

Thanks for the tip, Jophiel; I will try that out this evening.

FoieGrasIsEvil 03-28-2018 08:27 PM

Is it a FPS?

Sicks Ate 03-28-2018 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoieGrasIsEvil (Post 20873099)
Is it a FPS?

From what I've gathered, it's on the cutting edge of the new genre "fifth person shooter."

FoieGrasIsEvil 03-28-2018 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sicks Ate (Post 20873103)
From what I've gathered, it's on the cutting edge of the new genre "fifth person shooter."

Hmmm. I'll have to look that term up, never heard of it. My PC won't run it anyway, according to the "Can I Run It" website (System requirements. lab or something like that).

Jophiel 03-29-2018 12:22 AM

Not sure if "FPS" is a whoosh but yeah it's a first person shooter.

FoieGrasIsEvil 03-29-2018 06:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jophiel (Post 20873379)
Not sure if "FPS" is a whoosh but yeah it's a first person shooter.

It wasn't. Obviously I could have just looked it up, but in the heat of the moment, I just asked. I've never played any Far Cry games and was interested but my old dual core processor, 4GB of RAM and outdated GPU apparently don't make the cut. Which is weird, because I can play the latest Doom without issues, but games like Battlefield 1 lag like crazy.

Jophiel 03-29-2018 08:13 AM

Oops, I meant if "fifth person shooter" is a whoosh/joke. I figured you were sincere about asking if it's a first person shooter.

If you're interested in a Far Cry game, you might find the requirements for Far Cry 3 more forgiving and the basic structure and game play are the same. They just kept adding more features into the later games. Far Cry 1 & 2 have their own merits but aren't really the same system as the later games.

Raza 03-29-2018 08:54 AM

I've you've never played a Far Cry game, I'd say it has a cousin in the Just Cause series, if you're familiar with that.

bobot 03-29-2018 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shamozzle (Post 20864799)
I'm really looking forward to it as I've been itching to start something new since I finished Horizon Zero Dawn.

...

Sorry for the tangent, but have you tried the Frozen Wilds DLC? It's pretty good.
And now, back to The Far Cry 5 thread.

Unpronounceable 03-29-2018 04:21 PM

In true UBISOFT style, the game somehow launched on PC with severely limited controller support. Which is fine for the shooty bits, more problematic for the driving, and makes combat flying a royal PITA. OTOH, haven't seen anyone missing their face, yet.

As far as the plot goes..."get captured over and over again" for plot insertions is fairly stupid. I got tranque'd & captured while piloting in a dogfight, for example. What was wrong with just giving priority missions?

Oh, and some animals require multiple kill & skins to give the perk point - turkeys and skunks are 3, IIRC.

FoieGrasIsEvil 03-29-2018 05:23 PM

My system has Intel Core 2 Quad CPU Q9300 @ 2.6 GHz

Radeon RX 460 GPU 4 GB DDR5

4GB RAM

Old ass mobo, Win 7 64 bit

Kobal2 03-31-2018 12:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sicks Ate (Post 20873103)
From what I've gathered, it's on the cutting edge of the new genre "fifth person shooter."

Is that controlling a video game character who's watching a let's play of a third person shooter ?

Sicks Ate 03-31-2018 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kobal2 (Post 20877373)
Is that controlling a video game character who's watching a let's play of a third person shooter ?

Haha yes!

Cubsfan 04-01-2018 09:35 PM

Been playing on my PS4. Actually I've got both a PS4 and PS4Pro. The graphics on the PS4PRO are more noticeably superior than PS4Standard than other games I've compared.

Anyway here's my review in no specific order:

1) I love the world. Its very organic and Montana is beautiful to look at.

2) Beginning of the story is ultra cliché but it gets better the further you get into the game.

3) Tip 1: save your perk points until you have 8 saved up. This will let you unlock the holster which allows you to carry an extra weapon.

4) The helicopter is top notch.

5) Tip 2: save some cash and upgrade an assault rifle to a sniper rifle ASAP. Put a long range scope, suppressor and extended magazine on it.

6) Boomer is very useful. Actually most of the AI partners behave in a reasonable fashion and are useful.

7) So far I haven't encountered any really annoying characters yet and I'm about 3 hours in or so.

8) I never get tired of capturing outposts in Farcry games and this one is no different. Lotta fun.

9) The flamethrower guys are pretty annoying. They can't be damaged and you need to shoot their tanks twice to blow them up. For some reason the tanks don't register hits from the front, even though I'm clearly on target. End up running around in circles trying to get behind him the whole time.

Enright3 04-02-2018 03:55 PM

I've been excited about this for a long time. I've been a fan of the game's predecessors; even the Primal one. On thing I have noticed more and more is that I'm getting older; and I am able to be aware of my reflexes getting slower. It sucks. I'm 56. I I'm playing on a PS4; and my aiming sucks. I swoop left to shoot, and move past my target, swoop right to adjust, and I move past my target. Continue on until I get killed. Old gramps here might have to switch to easy. So far I'm having fun with it.

Jack Batty 04-03-2018 03:43 AM

I'm having the same problems. In fact, it may be time I give up action video games for good. I spent money on this game, against my better judgement - I need the cash, but I have splurged on anything in a while. I digress.

I'm so bad at this game, that I'm about two or three hours of gameplay into it and I'm ready to bring it back and trade it in for Barbie's Horse Grooming or something. I have the setting down to easy and I die on the average of every two or three minutes. I'm talking just walking around, not even doing missions. Missions? Forget it. I have not completed one on the first try yet. I just spent 15 minutes trying to figure out where I was supposed to escort Resistance fighters to, and when I got there, they were all dead inside of 30 seconds and the mission failed. Start over. I don't fucking think so.

The world looks amazing, I just wish I could enjoy it.

I'll take my anti-asshole medication and give it another shot, but so far I'm feeling a little foolish for throwing away the bucks.

Jophiel 04-03-2018 08:14 AM

Microtransactions in FC5 are weird. Weird because they seem so remarkably pointless. As you take over outposts, you can find and open safes to reveal silver bars which can then be spent on weapons, costumes or vehicles. You can also buy silver bars directly for real life cash. Makes sense, right? The ole "You can pay money or grind" schtick.

The thing is, you can also pay in-game money for the same stuff. And in-game money is ridiculously easy to acquire. You get money looting bodies, for doing missions, you get extra money for doing missions in a region where the boss is defeated (I guess a 'sticking around' bonus), for selling animal pelts and fish, for completing Arcade missions, while playing co-op in a friend's game, etc. Nothing is especially expensive and, weirder yet, nothing is silver bar exclusive. You'd have thought in this day and age that they'd have super sweet stuff you can only get with silver but nope. Everything is easily acquired with in-game cash. It would take you a good while to buy every costume option and vehicle and gun skin, etc but you can easily buy what you need on a casual basis plus plenty of bells and whistles.

It really feels like someone at Ubisoft said "We're going to need microtransactions in this" and the FC5 development team added them in a way with the least incentive possible. I have no clue who they're supposed to appeal to.

Enright3 04-03-2018 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Batty (Post 20881723)
I'm having the same problems. In fact, it may be time I give up action video games for good. I spent money on this game, against my better judgement - I need the cash, but I have splurged on anything in a while. I digress.

I'm so bad at this game, that I'm about two or three hours of gameplay into it and I'm ready to bring it back and trade it in for Barbie's Horse Grooming or something. I have the setting down to easy and I die on the average of every two or three minutes. I'm talking just walking around, not even doing missions. Missions? Forget it. I have not completed one on the first try yet. I just spent 15 minutes trying to figure out where I was supposed to escort Resistance fighters to, and when I got there, they were all dead inside of 30 seconds and the mission failed. Start over. I don't fucking think so.

The world looks amazing, I just wish I could enjoy it.

I'll take my anti-asshole medication and give it another shot, but so far I'm feeling a little foolish for throwing away the bucks.

I'm enjoying it more now. I've stopped focusing on the main missions and now just focus on the side missions. I've gone fishing a few times; I've enjoyed that.

What helped most was following CubsFan's advice from above:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Cubsfan

3) Tip 1: save your perk points until you have 8 saved up. This will let you unlock the holster which allows you to carry an extra weapon.

5) Tip 2: save some cash and upgrade an assault rifle to a sniper rifle ASAP. Put a long range scope, suppressor and extended magazine on it.

6) Boomer is very useful. Actually most of the AI partners behave in a reasonable fashion and are useful.

8) I never get tired of capturing outposts in Farcry games and this one is no different. Lotta fun.

My comments on CubsFan's advice:
3) Having the extra slot is a huge deal; because the pistol so far to me has been useless.
5) So far I've just upgraded a scope, and it's made all the difference in the world (See my #9 below
6) Boomer is so helpful, once I learned how to use him. On PS4, aim at a NPC, and press left direction pad, and Boomer attacks the soldier. Awesome.
8) I too love capturing outposts. My advice to anybody struggling is not allow the fight on their terms. Fight them on YOUR terms. IOW. Guerrilla warfare. Sneak up on an outpost encampment and 'tag' as many bad guys as you can; preferably from higher ground. If you've upgraded your scope on a rifle, and/or use the bow for silent kills; you can get rid of most of the NPCs fairly easily.

Jophiel 04-03-2018 10:22 AM

Also, if you feel outclassed, do some of those Prepper Stashes. They usually don't involve killing more than 2-3 guys because it's more puzzle than combat. Solve how to get inside and you'll get three perk points from picking up the magazines plus the cash. After you get enough, use the perk points on holster upgrades, extra health, extra ammo capacity or whatever you feel you're missing.

For a pistol, I use the .44 Magnum (actually the prestige skin one at the bottom of the list was unlocked for me, maybe due to my game version) which does significant damage and is reasonably accurate. I also carry a double-barrel shotgun with reflex sight which can two-hit the heavies in the face and kill them. Even the reload on it doesn't feel so bad compared with waiting to slide eight shells into the pump or semi-auto shotguns.

Sicks Ate 04-03-2018 11:14 AM

How is the story? I'll admit that I rolled my eyes a bit at the premise initially. But it sounds like there's plenty of variation in the game.

Jophiel 04-03-2018 11:25 AM

Eh, it's a Far Cry story. People going into it expecting a treatise on American rural gun culture/religion/patriotism/poverty/etc are going to be disappointed. Anyone else is going to be treated to a handful of charismatic smooth talking bad guys who try to blend a couple good points into their evilness. It's not amazing writing and they're still trying to find someone as memorable as Vaas from FC3 but then the second villian from FC3 was so dull I don't remember anything about him. So this is better story telling than 50% of FC3 ;)

Some people make political points but the story itself isn't political. You have one guy saying of the "man in charge" that "He's not an idiot. He builds skyscrapers" and you have a villain defending their predictions of a Collapse by asking if you've seen the man in charge. It's an apocalyptic religious cult but it's not Christian, having its own holy text written by their leader.

It's good enough to hang the game on and have some entertaining cut scenes which is about standard for a Far Cry game. There are also, of course, a bajillion side quests and voluntary missions with their own little tales to tell, some amusing and some just an excuse to reach Point B and grab some cash.

Lightnin' 04-03-2018 04:12 PM

It's entirely possible to finish the game in five minutes.

Jack Batty 04-03-2018 04:57 PM

Okay. I played it a little more this afternoon and I'm warming to it. Though I don't know if I've got the sand to go for a very high percentage done with this game. I've learned how to use my AI helpers well. I like that Boomer will occasionally fetch me a rifle from a dead cult member, and the chick with the sniper rifle has gotten me out of a bunch of shit.

I've also figured out how to run away. I think that's a vital tactic. I was walking along a road, heading for a fishing spot and three pick up trucks came by and out poured like eight of these guys, one with a flame thrower. I started firing like a mofo and just about bought it before I turned and high-tailed it out of there. I got myself behind a rock and waited for them to come to me. I lucked out on the flame thrower guy; my sniper girl was taking the brunt of his flames so I got behind him and shotgunned him.

I'll lay off the Barbie's Horse Grooming Jamboree for now and stick with this for a while, see how it goes.

Here's the thing though ... so far I've eschewed Playstation Online, or whatever it's called. I pay enough monthly subscriptions - I don't want one more. So I don't know from online with this game. What am I missing? If it's just deathmatches with a bunch of twelve-year-olds I'm not interested.

Jophiel 04-03-2018 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Batty (Post 20883152)
Here's the thing though ... so far I've eschewed Playstation Online, or whatever it's called. I pay enough monthly subscriptions - I don't want one more. So I don't know from online with this game. What am I missing? If it's just deathmatches with a bunch of twelve-year-olds I'm not interested.

You're probably fine. You can do Co-Op which only helps if you have online PS4 friends to play with. Which seems unlikely if you don't have an online sub for the PS4. The other thing is the Far Cry 5 Arcade which I'm guessing you can't access? I play on PC so I don't know how you're gated off -- presumably you can connect for patches and stuff. That's a bunch of player designed (plus a few dev designed) one-off content like taking an outpost or surviving a run through enemy filled streets. There's nothing really amazing there yet although it is kind of fun. But if you're not sure you'll complete the actual official FC5 map you probably don't need a bunch of amateur designed content as well.

Cubsfan 04-03-2018 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Enright3 (Post 20882034)

5) So far I've just upgraded a scope, and it's made all the difference in the world .


Once you get a suppressor things get much easier. You can snipe from pretty far away and they can’t hear you. Without the silencer they head right to your position. Longest range scope, silencer and extended mag on the worst assault rifle is good enough that I haven’t needed to replace it yet after about 6 hours in.

Lightnin' 04-04-2018 08:20 AM

I'm playing on PS4, and it's got the same problem that previous entries in the series had: the "loot" button is the same as the "swap weapon" button. So you go up to loot a dead body, and in the process you drop your heavily modded assault rifle and pick up the stock shotgun. It's a hard thing to even notice that you've done, most of the time... and by the time you do notice (say, just as you're starting your assault on a base), your original weapon has despawned and now you have to find a shop of some type to get it back. It's very annoying, and I can't believe they've had this issue for years now.

Also, roads are deathtraps. Enemies spawn constantly along roads, so it's generally quicker to just sprint overland, fast travel, or airdrop to your destination- otherwise you'll just spend all your time fighting randomly-spawned bad guys.

So far I'm finding pistols to be pretty much useless- a silenced assault rifle with a reflex scope is pretty much all I use, unless I'm sniping from half a country mile away.

Jophiel 04-04-2018 08:37 AM

Even better was the time I rescued a hostage, accidentally switched weapons and the newly freed civilian yoinked my tricked out rifle off the ground and walked away whistling happily.

It's worth it to have a good solid pistol just for firing from behind the wheel in my opinion.

Speaking of behind the wheel, I deal with the plethora of roadside encounters by ignoring them. It's usually pretty easy to outrun enemies since it takes them a couple seconds to notice you and by then you're past them. The few who can keep pace, you turn on the autodrive and take out that pistol we were talking about.

There's a community event this week for killing 20 animals by fire without using a Molotov or flamethrower. Using incendiary ammo would seem the logical choice but I went off and did it with the welding torch repair tool :D Reward is a special prestige outfit (I like the coat/shirt) and a gold plated flamethrower. I think you need to go to the Uplay community section and actually activate the quest -- at least, that's how it works on PC.

Raza 04-04-2018 08:48 AM

I'm generally having a good time, but these things irk me (in descending order of irkiness):

1) after completing a resistance point segment, you get kidnapped and forced to endure a mini-mission (I'm thinking specifically of the one where you have to run through a timed maze and kill everyone along the way). I really, really hate this - so much so that I'm tempted to give a negative review, and I'm not alone. It's incredibly stupid; I can't imagine the design pitch: "let's interrupt people while they're having fun and force them into a non-skippable mini-game". I am now avoiding story missions for this reason.

2) minor: I can one-shot people 100+ yards away with a scoped assault rifle, but a wolf 10 feet in front of me takes 12 headshots.

3) minor but really frustrating, and possibly me: I can't get the wingsuit to deploy in a dependable fashion. I jump off a cliff, hit Shift (PC), and about 25% of the time the wingsuit will deploy 5 feet before I hit the ground; other times it doesn't deploy at all. Apparently there is no penalty for dying - thank Father for that.

My current crew is Jess (bow hunter) and Hurk (rocket launcher). Jess' perk of making animals non-aggressive by default really helps in wolf-infested areas, and she can hit with that bow at 100 yards (and sometimes makes amusing choices of when to use flaming arrows). Hurk is really comical, and is surprisingly effective with the rocket launcher, and pretty useful for taking out enemy aircraft. I've found Cheeseburger the bear to be less useful; he frequently dies to other animals.

Jophiel 04-04-2018 09:12 AM

I wish companions would either have more to say to one another or else shut the hell up. Instead, they have about six exchanges that they repeat constantly. Worse yet, if they're interrupted, the one will keep repeating the same cue (So, served in the Middle east, huh? So, served in the Middle East, huh? So, served in th---) until the other is in a position to answer.

I switched from Jess & Grace to Jess & Peaches just to shut them up. Jess still makes remarks at Peaches but at least it's 50% better and it's one-liners instead of exchanges.

Jophiel 04-10-2018 09:09 AM

Fun game, some nice new mechanics, okay enough story, trash-garbage ending.

SPOILER:
In D&D terms, "Rocks fall, everyone dies."

MichaelEmouse 11-11-2018 06:09 PM

I bought it yesterday and after about 12 hours of downloading, putting up with Uplay bullshit I press the Play button and... Far Cry 5 apparently doesn't support Phenom II CPUs. I know it's old and not that fast but if I'm ok playing at 30fps rather than 60, that's my business. What's that about? Hard limits on GPUs, I can kinda understand but few FPS games have been CPU-bottlenecked in the last decade.

Jophiel 12-06-2018 12:48 PM

Ubi released a teaser video for Far Cry 6 which makes it look like Fallout Cry.

If you ask me, they missed an opportunity to make the post-apocalypse world into that of Blood Dragon. Screw this pseudo-Fallout stuff, say that after the war America became a neon-lit dystopia with laser-dragons.

MichaelEmouse 12-29-2018 03:39 AM

Capturing outposts keeps coming up as a thing that Far Cry does well. I've noticed that too. What makes those missions stand out a head above the others?



Quote:

Originally Posted by Enright3 (Post 20880757)
I've been excited about this for a long time. I've been a fan of the game's predecessors; even the Primal one. On thing I have noticed more and more is that I'm getting older; and I am able to be aware of my reflexes getting slower. It sucks. I'm 56. I I'm playing on a PS4; and my aiming sucks. I swoop left to shoot, and move past my target, swoop right to adjust, and I move past my target. Continue on until I get killed. Old gramps here might have to switch to easy. So far I'm having fun with it.


That might just be the console controller. I tried playing Battlefield on someone's console and had the same problems of overshooting targets. Well, over-correcting because I definitely didn't shoot them at all.


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