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Darren Garrison 03-23-2020 03:50 PM

Two's company, three's a crowd.
 
At least in South Carolina. The governor has just authorized police to disperse groups of three or more people.

boffking 03-23-2020 03:56 PM

Will this hold up in court? Seems to violate the Freedom of Association granted in the first amendment.

RioRico 03-23-2020 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by boffking (Post 22206095)
Will this hold up in court? Seems to violate the Freedom of Association granted in the first amendment.

ANAL but 1) I doubt courts will stay emergency declarations and 2) "association" isn't in the First:
Quote:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free expression thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
Felons are often restricted from associating with other felons IIRC. BTW the word "freedom" appears exactly ONCE in the US Constitution, and that's it right there. But no freedoms or rights are absolute, as every item in the Bill of Rights has been violated with court approval. Thus are twisted knickers useless here.

Dale Sams 03-23-2020 06:02 PM

Overreach. Woman can't leave baby and slightly demented parent alone, takes them to grocery store. Oooops here comes a cop. Sorry pop, don't wander away.

Edit: Doesn't affect family outings....well FFS then. What is this?? Just lisence to swagger about and break up pick-up basketball games? Horseshit 1/4 measures.

Northern Piper 03-24-2020 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RioRico (Post 22206141)
... 2) "association" isn't in the First:

The Supreme Court disagrees with you. :). The combined effect of freedom of speech and freedom of assembly is that freedom of association is protected by the First Amendment at the federal level, and at the state level via the Due Process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment: NAACP v. Alabama

Jackknifed Juggernaut 03-24-2020 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by RioRico (Post 22206141)
.....BTW the word "freedom" appears exactly ONCE in the US Constitution, and that's it right there....

Interesting. Thanks for this little trivia item. I assume this includes other forms of the word?

Senegoid 03-24-2020 06:23 PM

I believe the S. F. Bay Area order defines two to be a crowd, except for persons in the same household or similar living unit.

RioRico 03-24-2020 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Piper (Post 22207078)
The Supreme Court disagrees with you. :). The combined effect of freedom of speech and freedom of assembly is that freedom of association is protected by the First Amendment at the federal level, and at the state level via the Due Process clause of the Fourteenth Amendment: NAACP v. Alabama

Freedom of association is not absolute. Courts may order an individual to not associate with certain other people. The term "restraining order" comes to mind.

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Originally Posted by Jackknifed Juggernaut (Post 22207108)
Interesting. Thanks for this little trivia item. I assume this includes other forms of the word?

Browse the Constitution and count occurrences.

1 - Freedom: freedom of speech [and] the press
3 - Free: free Persons (amended out); free exercise of religion; the security of a free State
3 - Liberty: Blessings of Liberty (preamble, not law); life, liberty [and] property (twice)


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