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MortSahlFan 02-10-2020 03:13 PM

"Network" on TCM @ Midnight
 
It's one of the greatest movies ever... Watch it. It has probably more relevance today with the influence of media (and you can factor in the internet simultaneously).

I'll stop there so its not a spoiler, but maybe after you can reply with your thoughts and we can have a discussion? I don't have the channel, but I do have it on VHS and might watch it again to re-freshen for a great discussion.

(Or would this be better suited for "Mundane Things I Must Share"?)

nearwildheaven 02-10-2020 05:17 PM

Nope, it's in the right place.

Trivia: Faye Dunaway was braless in all her scenes.

Zakalwe 02-10-2020 05:39 PM

"THAT! Is the ATOMIC! And Sub-ATOMIC! And GALACTIC! Structure of Things...TO-DAY!"

I literally have that speech memorized. Alas, there are few opportunities to use that in real-life settings.

But I wish there were...

dropzone 02-10-2020 07:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nearwildheaven (Post 22131446)
Nope, it's in the right place.

Trivia: Faye Dunaway was braless in all her scenes.

The local Fox affiliate, when it first started up, showed it uncut and unbleeped, so she was bouncing all over the place while she rode Holden like a cowgirl.

Just Asking Questions 02-10-2020 10:12 PM

In 1976, it was prophetic.

In 2020 it's quaint and naive.

IvoryTowerDenizen 02-10-2020 10:13 PM

Saw the play on Broadway last year, with Brian Cranston. It was amazing and he got robbed at the Tony's. Great movie, awesome play.

Spoons 02-10-2020 10:48 PM

Thanks for the heads-up. It's one of my favourite movies. I'll be watching.

Never knew that about Faye Dunaway. Yep, I'll be watching for sure. ;)

Beckdawrek 02-10-2020 10:52 PM

I'll be watching. If my TV quits teasing me. We're having lots-o-rain. My direcTV isn't cooperating.

MortSahlFan 02-11-2020 08:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beckdawrek (Post 22131904)
I'll be watching. If my TV quits teasing me. We're having lots-o-rain. My direcTV isn't cooperating.

Darn.. I tried looking for it online to paste here, no such luck.

MortSahlFan 02-11-2020 08:07 AM

I especially thought it was fitting of how Diana (Faye Dunaway) got off. When William Holden breaks up with her, you see the moral divide between generations, too. Mass media (and a ton of fake news) gets passed on so quickly, even by mistake sometimes. It seems most things on Retwitter are re-tweets.

Ned Beatty's speech is one of the best scenes in movies (on YouTube, luckily). People DO need to get mad and not take it anymore, but doing something more than sitting (like I am right now) and typing it out. As they say "All politics is local". Do what you can. .. Speaking of movies, I think spreading great film is one of the best methods for good influence. People aren't really reading books anymore, or the academic journals.

Sherrerd 02-11-2020 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nearwildheaven (Post 22131446)
Trivia: Faye Dunaway was braless in all her scenes.

More trivia: So was Peter Finch!


Quote:

Originally Posted by Just Asking Questions (Post 22131863)
In 1976, it was prophetic.
In 2020 it's quaint and naive.

Well, I don't think the Holden character's speech denouncing his younger lover has held up: "You ARE television" doesn't seem very devastating anymore. 'You ARE the Internet' might work.....but then again, it's kind of trite. So, people born after a certain year have short attention spans, and shallow interests....is that a moral failing, or is it attributable to their upbringing? Isn't every element of our economy encouraging them to be shallow and easily bored? Because it's easier to part them from their money if they are shallow and easily bored?

But the rest of it---the 'there are no nations, there is only money' theme---seems as relevant now as it was then. And the storyline about people responding to the Finch character's anger, but not to his more depressing message post-Arthur-Jensen-Face-of-God encounter, is very, very believable.

Eyebrows 0f Doom 02-11-2020 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IvoryTowerDenizen (Post 22131866)
Saw the play on Broadway last year, with Brian Cranston. It was amazing and he got robbed at the Tony's. Great movie, awesome play.

Bryan Cranston won the Tony for Best Actor for Network last year.

MortSahlFan 02-12-2020 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sherrerd (Post 22133728)
More trivia: So was Peter Finch!




Well, I don't think the Holden character's speech denouncing his younger lover has held up: "You ARE television" doesn't seem very devastating anymore. 'You ARE the Internet' might work.....but then again, it's kind of trite. So, people born after a certain year have short attention spans, and shallow interests....is that a moral failing, or is it attributable to their upbringing? Isn't every element of our economy encouraging them to be shallow and easily bored? Because it's easier to part them from their money if they are shallow and easily bored?

But the rest of it---the 'there are no nations, there is only money' theme---seems as relevant now as it was then. And the storyline about people responding to the Finch character's anger, but not to his more depressing message post-Arthur-Jensen-Face-of-God encounter, is very, very believable.


It seems EVERYONE on the news has been Jensen'd.. Or other powerful positions, politics, etc.,.. They might enter in trying to do good, but learn about the game. I just saw an old video of Joe Biden saying how he wanted to prostitute himself, but that the money men said "You're too young, come back when you are older", probably to see how HE plays the game.

Finch's character from idealist to cynic is sad. Beatty's speech is excellent. There is no patriotism, it's only a facade to get people to buy their junk.

Andy L 02-12-2020 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zakalwe (Post 22131487)
"THAT! Is the ATOMIC! And Sub-ATOMIC! And GALACTIC! Structure of Things...TO-DAY!"

I literally have that speech memorized. Alas, there are few opportunities to use that in real-life settings.

But I wish there were...

A few years ago, I did have the chance to tell someone "You have meddled with the primal forces of nature" (he brought broccoli instead of doughnuts to an office celebration)

Sherrerd 02-12-2020 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MortSahlFan (Post 22134397)
It seems EVERYONE on the news has been Jensen'd.. Or other powerful positions, politics, etc.,.. They might enter in trying to do good, but learn about the game. I just saw an old video of Joe Biden saying how he wanted to prostitute himself, but that the money men said "You're too young, come back when you are older", probably to see how HE plays the game.

Finch's character from idealist to cynic is sad. Beatty's speech is excellent. There is no patriotism, it's only a facade to get people to buy their junk.

Great points.

I hate to see anyone talk about Network as being outmoded or in any way not worth seeing. It's still essential viewing IMO.


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