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Darren Garrison 12-31-2018 12:20 AM

The Orville Season 2
 
Well, the first episode certainly got things off to a snoring start.

BobBitchin' 12-31-2018 01:15 AM

I spaced out:p and forgot to watch...and it's not showing up on "On Demand" yet:confused:

I'll see it somehow tomorrow. So, I'll be back.:D

friedo 12-31-2018 02:18 AM

I thought they were supposed to have a bigger budget this year. Bottle episodes like this are usually reserved for the middle of the season when you've spent too much money on action and special effects.

I appreciate that they're devoting some time to addressing Ed and Kelly's relationship in a realistic way, but that was definitely a snoozer. Not even any really good jokes.

Arkcon 12-31-2018 06:27 AM

I usually hate bottle episodes, and I didn't love this one. It was nice to get this stuff out of the way. Just like Family Guy, the humor on The Orville can get very meta -- in other words, "You were expecting something complicated or a twist? Welp, jokes on you viewer, everything was straightforward this time."

Good character development 'tho. Interesting to see Dann has become more and more the "normal" one, and they've improved the budget for cleaning up the edges of his giant CGI sponge head. Funny how Alara quickly called him out on his writing -- remember, super-strong waifu is actually from a planet of intellectuals, she may not have fit in there, but she's still way ahead of Gordon.

N9IWP 12-31-2018 06:51 AM

It was mostly obvious that Ed and the new Dark Matter Specialist will get together, which will upset Gordon.
Kelly is right that it is a bad idea to have the captain / XO be involved.
Really the captain shouldn't be involved with any crew member, but I understand in a TV show they play fast and loose with fraternization rules.
Actually Gordon and the DMS makes more sense as they are in different departments.

Brian

GuanoLad 12-31-2018 06:55 AM

The bartender was played by Jason Alexander. I thought I recognised the voice, but would never have picked it.

Arkcon 12-31-2018 07:18 AM

I was wondering who the bartender was imitating, now I've found out who it is, I wanna see it again and see what he was doing -- I guess basically pitching his voice to sound like himself, but not himself. And the giant alien head, with a pencil mustache, was a cute thing to apply to the character of a bartender. So is Jason Alexander going to be this universe's Whoopi Goldberg? That's a nice deal, if you can swing it.

I often wonder if they'll ever show Alara taking her eyebrows off -- making her look like her original appearance saying:

Oof. I know these make me more relatable to Earth humans, but they're annoying.

And yes, I know, they changed her makeup after the pilot to be easier on the actress. But they can lampshade it for once, as a joke, then keep using it.

Arkcon 12-31-2018 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by N9IWP (Post 21404072)
It was mostly obvious that Ed and the new Dark Matter Specialist will get together, which will upset Gordon.

I dunno, Gordon seems to really suddenly relate intellectually to Dann. Maybe they become an item? It'd be funny as all hell if we all made assumptions about Dann's gender, that turn out to be totally wrong. Or about Gondon's preferred orientation.

Dang. But gender/sexuality adjectives are hard enough to use in contemporary times, how are we supposed to talk about the myriad sci-fi possibilities?

Arkcon 12-31-2018 07:37 AM

Also nice to lampshade the typical sitcom trope -- Topa, the baby Moclan, is now played by a kid. And yeah, the suddenly rebellious teenage son of Dr. Finn is a little too predictable. I hope he can communicate with ISSAC better -- its a cute trope inversion: both adolescent and artificial life-form are "outside" normal human emotional communication, they may end up actually relating better.

RealityChuck 12-31-2018 08:07 AM

Well, that explains it.

The episode was dull. There was no story impetus and nothing was at stake. The relationships were clicked, too.

But the explanation is clear: Jason Alexander was in it. The man has a unique talent for making anything he appears in awful.

Elendil's Heir 12-31-2018 09:07 AM

https://www.fox.com/the-orville/?cmp...FUjewAod6YsAbQ

S1 was uneven but all in all, I enjoyed it. I'll definitely check out S2.

ivylass 12-31-2018 11:21 AM

I was kind of hoping ISAAC would be able to play back the video of James calling Clare a PITA, but that's not how it played out.

I noticed a lack of background music in many of the scenes. It did seem to drag a bit, but I am glad to see the show is back. Alara definitely deserves much better than Dann.

StarvingButStrong 12-31-2018 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkcon (Post 21404050)
I usually hate bottle episodes, and I didn't love this one.


Technically it wasn't a bottle show, though. We got to watch Bortus piss off a cliff on Moclan.

(Okay, I get that it's a play on pon farr, but are they going to have to run over to that planet every year for Bortus AND his mate AND the kid?? Maybe they can synchronize their schedules at least.)

carnivorousplant 12-31-2018 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by StarvingButStrong (Post 21404620)
Technically it wasn't a bottle show, though. We got to watch Bortus piss off a cliff on Moclan.

(Okay, I get that it's a play on pon farr, but are they going to have to run over to that planet every year for Bortus AND his mate AND the kid?? Maybe they can synchronize their schedules at least.)

Yeah, that would be three of them trying to piss off, probably at different dates.

Arkcon 12-31-2018 02:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by StarvingButStrong (Post 21404620)
AND the kid?? Maybe they can synchronize their schedules at least.)

I always assumed that Moclan infants, like human infants, excrete way more frequently. Like Bortas and Klyden would complain, "that's the third time we've had to change a nappy this week! When will he grow out of this so this slavery can end."

Clair Finn: "Yeah, parenthoods tough alright." Doesn't roll-eyes because that's not needed, we all got the joke anyway.

Seems like Klyden is really a second class citizen on The Orville. He seems to have no friends of his own, and nothing to do beyond homemaker and watcher of old-school musical theater. They're going to have to address that this season. Only Bortas's closest frinneds got to watch him pee. Klyden may have done it last week for all we know.

Dewey Finn 12-31-2018 07:54 PM

I was interested to see versions of food replicators, holodecks and cloaking devices portrayed in this episode. I mean, the show is obviously a take or parody of Star Trek, but I wonder just how close they can get.

And the classroom seemed to include about a dozen students of about the same age. And the one kid's mother wanted her son moved to a different class. So that implies there's enough children of that age to support multiple classes. Seems unlikely there would be that many kids on board.

iiandyiiii 12-31-2018 08:40 PM

I liked the first episode of season 2 -- nice, low stakes character-focused episode. It's harder to take the show seriously when they do totally serious storylines, IMO, and I think this type of low-key episode better fits the tone of the show.

Kamino Neko 12-31-2018 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dewey Finn (Post 21405450)
I was interested to see versions of food replicators, holodecks and cloaking devices portrayed in this episode

They used a replicator last season. Kelly replicated a pot brownie in Command Performance, when she thought she and Ed were going to meet his parents.

[Edit - oh, and the whole episode built around a holodeck scenario.]

El_Kabong 12-31-2018 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iiandyiiii (Post 21405501)
I liked the first episode of season 2 -- nice, low stakes character-focused episode. It's harder to take the show seriously when they do totally serious storylines, IMO, and I think this type of low-key episode better fits the tone of the show.

I'm with you on this. Nothing amazing amazing, but there were a few decent jokes and it's been fun to follow the characters' various personal issues.

Incidentally, according to one review I've read the season was originally supposed to open with an unaired 13th episode from season 1, with this ep slated to come second. That order has been swapped around, for whatever reason.

BobBitchin' 12-31-2018 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iiandyiiii (Post 21405501)
I liked the first episode of season 2 -- nice, low stakes character-focused episode. It's harder to take the show seriously when they do totally serious storylines, IMO, and I think this type of low-key episode better fits the tone of the show.

Quote:

Originally Posted by El_Kabong (Post 21405544)
I'm with you on this. Nothing amazing amazing, but there were a few decent jokes and it's been fun to follow the characters' various personal issues.

Incidentally, according to one review I've read the season was originally supposed to open with an unaired 13th episode from season 1, with this ep slated to come second. That order has been swapped around, for whatever reason.



Yup yup. Enjoyed it , I like the "look at the people" with out the end of the world looming.

SmartAleq 12-31-2018 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dewey Finn (Post 21405450)
I was interested to see versions of food replicators, holodecks and cloaking devices portrayed in this episode. I mean, the show is obviously a take or parody of Star Trek, but I wonder just how close they can get.

Have you noticed the name "Brannon Braga" as executive producer, sometime writer and director? Go check his IMDB page and all will be made clear.

Dewey Finn 12-31-2018 11:46 PM

I get that this show has some people in common with the people behind Star Trek. And I appreciate it, as this show is on broadcast TV and the new Star Trek series are on a paid streaming service, so they're essentially unavailable to me.

SenorBeef 01-01-2019 06:19 AM

Wasn't a great start. I thought the Bortus plotline lacked an overall punchline. Okay, so it's a decent setup... we see the ceremony... and nothing. I was expecting some kind of payoff.

Even just having him make such an epic deal out of it, followed by his ritualistic singing, and then the sound of a zipper and a little tinkle would've been enough. Just felt kind of underserved.

I don't like the Captain and First Officer romantic plotline at all. I tolerated it in the first season in the hopes that it would end with them figuring out they don't work as a couple but they work as colleagues and friends, but if he spends all season pining for her that's just boring. She's right that it's just wildly inappropriate. There's no way they'd actually allow a relationship in that situation, one of them would get transferred. Really, we three seperate romantic interest plotlines going on this episode... too much. At least the one with the holo-bar was funny.

StarvingButStrong 01-01-2019 08:15 AM

Apparently they have real alcohol in this show, versus whatever they called it in TNG. If the kids could sober up just by thinking it their getting hold of a bottle of vodka wouldn't be such a big deal.

Also, weren't there three boys in on the caper? Why not ask the third kid about who hacked the computer?

Arkcon 01-01-2019 09:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SenorBeef (Post 21405854)
Wasn't a great start. I thought the Bortus plotline lacked an overall punchline. Okay, so it's a decent setup... we see the ceremony... and nothing. I was expecting some kind of payoff.

That's the thing about scatological humor in mainstream TV -- there's only so much you can get away with, sometimes you push the envelope ... and then that's all you do. We already got the punchline -- "Hello, I'm the Captain, good to have you aboard. Eh? What's that? You're here for new exploratory adventures? Great. We're going to an over-polluted world, and watching the First Officer go Number One. See ya there. There's drinks afterward."

I did wonder what would happen. Would Bortas be knocked back by a massive outflow? Would he tinkle for 3 seconds? After all, he's been reprocessing everything for a year, if his body is so super efficient, why urinate at all? I was almost expecting a thud sound or maybe a tinkling of sand falling, Hey, reptiles and birds, on Earth, urinate solid.

But network censors may have been like, no, you can't be that gross on 9pm FOX right after football. We cut short the O.T. for you, don't push us here.

Dewey Finn 01-01-2019 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by El_Kabong (Post 21405544)
Incidentally, according to one review I've read the season was originally supposed to open with an unaired 13th episode from season 1, with this ep slated to come second. That order has been swapped around, for whatever reason.

My guess for the reason is that the plot of the unseen thirteen episode kicks off a story arc that continues into the season, while this was essentially a stand-alone episode that aired on a holiday weekend. No big deal if people missed it.

SlackerInc 01-01-2019 05:09 PM

It wasn’t the series’ finest episode by any means, but I really dig this show overall, so I was still happy to have it back, and look forward to the next ep.

alphaboi867 01-01-2019 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by StarvingButStrong (Post 21405932)
Apparently they have real alcohol in this show, versus whatever they called it in TNG. If the kids could sober up just by thinking it their getting hold of a bottle of vodka wouldn't be such a big deal...

Well they had real alcohol in TNG too; the replicators just required a command override to produce it instead of synthenol. Presumably the Orville's replicators will produce intoxicants for anyone of age.

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Originally Posted by Dewey Finn (Post 21406017)
My guess for the reason is that the plot of the unseen thirteen episode kicks off a story arc that continues into the season, while this was essentially a stand-alone episode that aired on a holiday weekend. No big deal if people missed it.

Thanks, that explains a lot. I was thinking this was the holdover from last season, but wonder why a new character was introduced.

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Originally Posted by Dewey Finn
...And the classroom seemed to include about a dozen students of about the same age. And the one kid's mother wanted her son moved to a different class. So that implies there's enough children of that age to support multiple classes. Seems unlikely there would be that many kids on board.

Well the Orville's crew is large enough that it has at least one sit-down restaurant in addition to the mess hall and bar.

hogarth 01-01-2019 07:58 PM

Good timing -- I just finished binge watching "The Larry Sanders Show", so I can keep getting my Penny Johnson fix.

Wesley Clark 01-01-2019 08:30 PM

Who played the guy that went on the date with Alara? His voice sounded familiar.

Wesley Clark 01-01-2019 08:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dewey Finn (Post 21405450)
I was interested to see versions of food replicators, holodecks and cloaking devices portrayed in this episode. I mean, the show is obviously a take or parody of Star Trek, but I wonder just how close they can get.

And the classroom seemed to include about a dozen students of about the same age. And the one kid's mother wanted her son moved to a different class. So that implies there's enough children of that age to support multiple classes. Seems unlikely there would be that many kids on board.

I assumed this whole series is just Seth MacFarlane expressing his enjoyment for Star Trek TNG. So there are going to be a lot of parallels (MacFarlane also put Patrick Stewart as a recurring character on American Dad and made him look like a cartoon version of Patrick Stewart to boot).

However MacFarlane made the ships in his series 100x faster than the fastest ships in star trek TNG.

GuanoLad 01-01-2019 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesley Clark (Post 21406961)
Who played the guy that went on the date with Alara? His voice sounded familiar.

Dann is played by Mike Henry who is a regular for Seth McFarlane. He plays Cleveland Brown, for example.

SlackerInc 01-01-2019 09:01 PM

WC, where did you catch the 100X faster speed thing? I apparently missed it.

Wesley Clark 01-01-2019 09:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlackerInc (Post 21407011)
WC, where did you catch the 100X faster speed thing? I apparently missed it.

In an earlier episode the captain said the orville can travel 10 light years per hour. Thats about 87,600 light years per year.

Janeway said Voyager could only travel 1000 light years per year since it took 75 years to travel 75,000 light years for them to get back to the alpha quadrant.

Arkcon 01-01-2019 09:30 PM

The Orville's greater speed is a surprisingly useful bit of trivia to know. That means that it more plausible that the Orville can behave like the Enterprise often tends to: zip around, back and forth, from Earth to distant star base and back again.

asterion 01-01-2019 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wesley Clark (Post 21406981)
I assumed this whole series is just Seth MacFarlane expressing his enjoyment for Star Trek TNG. So there are going to be a lot of parallels (MacFarlane also put Patrick Stewart as a recurring character on American Dad and made him look like a cartoon version of Patrick Stewart to boot).

However MacFarlane made the ships in his series 100x faster than the fastest ships in star trek TNG.

Director Bullock is easily the best thing about American Dad. And American Dad is the best of the Seth MacFarlane animated shows.

I think The Orville is best when it's like TNG mixed with a workplace comedy. I hope that most of the really easy jokes are gone in season two.

SlackerInc 01-01-2019 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arkcon (Post 21407039)
The Orville's greater speed is a surprisingly useful bit of trivia to know. That means that it more plausible that the Orville can behave like the Enterprise often tends to: zip around, back and forth, from Earth to distant star base and back again.


Yes, very interesting indeed. So the Orville could even get to Andromeda in less than thirty years (assuming it is self-sufficient enough), whereas Voyager would take thousands of years to make the trip.

Tim R. Mortiss 01-02-2019 12:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iiandyiiii (Post 21405501)
I liked the first episode of season 2 -- nice, low stakes character-focused episode. It's harder to take the show seriously when they do totally serious storylines, IMO, and I think this type of low-key episode better fits the tone of the show.

I agree. This show is all about the characters and the relationships. The space-opera battles are secondary, at best.

Also, is it just me, or does Alara have just about the sexiest mouth in the universe?

Ellis Dee 01-02-2019 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tim R. Mortiss (Post 21407197)
Also, is it just me, or does Alara have just about the sexiest mouth in the universe?

Halston Sage is ridiculously attractive. For that matter, so is Adrianne Palicki.

Apparently Seth MacFarlane and Halston Sage are dating in real life, which fails the "half his age plus 7" standard: He's 44, she's 25. And wow, the gossip rags list of his girlfriends reads like a who's who of my biggest crushes: Emilia Clarke, Eliza Dushku, Alexandra Breckenridge, Kaylee Defer, (a bunch more names I don't know), and now Halston Sage? That's guy's living my the dream.

SlackerInc 01-02-2019 01:24 AM

She’s cute for sure. (McFarlane has good taste and good fortune.)

Anybody else think Isaac is quietly the MVP?

ivylass 01-02-2019 06:37 AM

Adrianne Palicki is pretty, but the mole between her eyebrows can be a bit distracting.

Arkcon 01-02-2019 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivylass (Post 21407336)
Adrianne Palicki is pretty, but the mole between her eyebrows can be a bit distracting.

*Sigh* People won't stop talking about it. You wouldn't do that to a real-life person. It seems to me, in the latest episode, to have been diminished, either by makeup, lighting, camera angle or natural (or surgical) progression. Let's all try to let it go.

Yeah, Alara's makeup went from weird cat alien to very enhancingly pretty. Bizarre seeing the blonde actress, her half a brunette wig seems more "normal" to me now.

Arkcon 01-02-2019 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SlackerInc (Post 21407223)
She’s cute for sure. (McFarlane has good taste and good fortune.)

Anybody else think Isaac is quietly the MVP?

Like Data (or to a lesser extent, Spock,) there's nothing he can't figure out faster, perform faster, nor is there any obscure fact they can't pull up faster than even the ship's computer. However, all the shows have to be written with plausible limitations applied to the characters.

I do hope they write ISSAC to shine as an individual better than the others. Not because they didn't write Data and Spock plausibly, or because Spiner and Nimoy aren't great at revealing the character behind the superpowers. Its just that I hope the Orville's writers are up to the task of really writing the android condition into scripts. Because they have the previous cases to work off of.

I do hope ISSAC and Marcus spend more time together. As I said, they're both outsiders to human emotional communication at this point.

ISSAC: Marcus, perhaps you would like to tell ME what the problem is?
Marcus: Ugh. ISSAC. You're just like mom, you think you understand everything.
I: That is not correct. It is true that I do have the processing power to exceed even this vessels capabilities, and my personal internal database of my people's knowledge, limited as it is, far exceeds the entire collection of Union knowledge. Yet, despite my best efforts, I frequently fail to predict the behavior of any crew member at any given time. Yet you continually anticipate Dr. Finn's behavior and adapt to it. How do you do that?
M: ...

that's actually pretty funny if you visualize the hand motions the ISSAC would be making during that speech. Or heck, even Brett Spiner's blank stare with slight head cocking that he would do. Remembering Nimoy's facial expressions during long speeches gives me a sad 'tho.

Misnomer 01-02-2019 09:02 AM

I think Marcus is acting out because Isaac is always around and Marcus sees him as taking on more and more of a "dad" role. At the end of the scene where Dr. Finn uses the f-word (ineffectively/wastefully, IMHO), it looks like Marcus is on the verge of opening up but then he looks around and sees Isaac and clams up again. I don't think Marcus hates Isaac -- I mean, Isaac did save his and his family's lives -- but Dr. Finn keeps gleefully asking Isaac to be more and more involved with the parenting and it wouldn't surprise me if Marcus is bucking against that a little. It also wouldn't surprise me if Isaac were to notice/figure it out before Dr. Finn does.

I don't remember why Dr. Finn is single: divorce? death? ...? :confused:

muldoonthief 01-02-2019 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Misnomer (Post 21407527)
I think Marcus is acting out because Isaac is always around and Marcus sees him as taking on more and more of a "dad" role. At the end of the scene where Dr. Finn uses the f-word (ineffectively/wastefully, IMHO), it looks like Marcus is on the verge of opening up but then he looks around and sees Isaac and clams up again. I don't think Marcus hates Isaac -- I mean, Isaac did save his and his family's lives -- but Dr. Finn keeps gleefully asking Isaac to be more and more involved with the parenting and it wouldn't surprise me if Marcus is bucking against that a little. It also wouldn't surprise me if Isaac were to notice/figure it out before Dr. Finn does.

I don't remember why Dr. Finn is single: divorce? death? ...? :confused:

According to the wiki, she has never been married, and both Marcus & Ty were conceived by artificial insemination. They cite episode 8 for those facts, which was the episode where the Finns & Isaac were stranded on a planet together. This would explain why she bridled when Jimmy's insufferably smug mother commented on how when being a single mother "it's easy to make mistakes."

And I think Marcus doesn't like that Isaac is using the Finns as part of his research project on humanoids.

Misnomer 01-02-2019 10:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by muldoonthief (Post 21407571)
According to the wiki, she has never been married, and both Marcus & Ty were conceived by artificial insemination. They cite episode 8 for those facts, which was the episode where the Finns & Isaac were stranded on a planet together.

Thanks! I had a feeling it might have come up during that episode, but I couldn't remember the backstory.

bump 01-02-2019 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by BobBitchin' (Post 21405664)
Yup yup. Enjoyed it , I like the "look at the people" with out the end of the world looming.

I'll third this.

I was commenting to my wife that I suspect to some degree that a real ship would probably be somewhat more similar to the Orville than the TNG Enterprise , in that everyone's not all business, all the time. They all know their stuff and are good at it, but they still joke around, mess around with each other, etc... which is never shown on any Trek show.

I actually was pretty amused by Gordon and John's storyline- the whole zippers and simulation thing was funny.

iiandyiiii 01-02-2019 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bump (Post 21407760)
I'll third this.

I was commenting to my wife that I suspect to some degree that a real ship would probably be somewhat more similar to the Orville than the TNG Enterprise , in that everyone's not all business, all the time. They all know their stuff and are good at it, but they still joke around, mess around with each other, etc... which is never shown on any Trek show.

I actually was pretty amused by Gordon and John's storyline- the whole zippers and simulation thing was funny.

My Navy experience was much closer to TNG than The Orville, though there are many significant differences. I like The Orville as a show, but most of the crew are unprofessional enough that they would have been drummed out years before they made any senior officer/department head level on a ship, much less the commanding or executive officer. The best Navy-ish TNG episode is "Lower Decks", IMO. Far from perfect, but gives a somewhat "realistic" picture about how the crew might interact day-to-day on a ship like the Enterprise.

carnivorousplant 01-02-2019 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iiandyiiii (Post 21407772)
My Navy experience was much closer to TNG than The Orville, though there are many significant differences. I like The Orville as a show, but most of the crew are unprofessional enough that they would have been drummed out years before they made any senior officer/department head level on a ship, much less the commanding or executive officer.

"Drummed out" hell, they'd be in the stockade!

SlackerInc 01-02-2019 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ivylass (Post 21407336)
Adrianne Palicki is pretty, but the mole between her eyebrows can be a bit distracting.


Yeah, it’s surprising how often celebrities don’t have those kinds of things fixed. Another example who comes to mind is Keri Russell.


Quote:

Originally Posted by iiandyiiii (Post 21407772)
The best Navy-ish TNG episode is "Lower Decks", IMO. Far from perfect, but gives a somewhat "realistic" picture about how the crew might interact day-to-day on a ship like the Enterprise.


Yes, I was thinking of that episode when people were saying we never saw that kind of thing on TNG. I do wish they would have done it more often.


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