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russian heel 01-07-2019 10:29 PM

Greatest team to get the biggest ass-kicking
 
With 11:26 in the 4th quarter of the NCAAF championship game, the almighty Alabama Crimson Tide seem to be headed to the woodshed versus Clemson. This has to qualify as one of the biggest whoopings by a seemingly invincible team ever. What else would qualify?

I'm not just looking for Cinderella upsets----after all Clemson is the #2 team----just plain old blowouts of otherwise what are or were thought to be among the greatest teams. The BIGGER the stage, the better, too (even the best Pro teams slip on a banana peel during the regular season)

Off the top of my head, Brazils 7-1 shellacking at the hands of Germany at the 2014 World Cup comes to mind.

The 1976 Stanley Cup--- The infamous Broad Street Bullies Philadelphia Flyers off 2 straight Stanley Cups got their asses beat on the scoreboard AND on the ice 4 games to zero by the rough and tough but highly talented Montreal Canadiens----the Habs would go on to win 3 more Cups in a row while the Flyers would go 0-6 in their next 6 Cup Finals.

What other Bullies got their licking?

Railer13 01-07-2019 10:36 PM

Although not quite of this magnitude, 10 months ago #1 seed Virginia was thoroughly thrashed by #16 UMBC in the the NCAA basketball tournament, 74-54.

Atamasama 01-07-2019 11:00 PM

The Denver Broncos cruised into Super Bowl XLVIII as the highest-scoring football team in NFL history, scoring on their first possession in nine straight games (the streak was only broken in the AFC Championship game), and their QB Peyton Manning held the all-time record for passing yards and passing touchdowns that year. They were far and away the favorite going in.

They were destroyed 43-8 and their only score came when the game was essentially over. It was the biggest loss by a favored team ever in the Super Bowl.

asahi 01-07-2019 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atamasama (Post 21417865)
The Denver Broncos cruised into Super Bowl XLVIII as the highest-scoring football team in NFL history, scoring on their first possession in nine straight games (the streak was only broken in the AFC Championship game), and their QB Peyton Manning held the all-time record for passing yards and passing touchdowns that year. They were far and away the favorite going in.

They were destroyed 43-8 and their only score came when the game was essentially over. It was the biggest loss by a favored team ever in the Super Bowl.

I put the fault on the bookmakers -- Seattle should have been favored in that game.

In my lifetime, the biggest beat-down against a great team was LA Raiders stomping the Washington Reskins in SB 18. The Skins were the defending SB champs and 14-2 during the regular season and had mostly cruised through the NFC playoffs. The Raiders went out and beat them 38-9.

Honorable mention goes to the Oregon Ducks of 2014/15 and LA Lakers of 2003/4.

Atamasama 01-07-2019 11:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asahi (Post 21417875)
I put the fault on the bookmakers -- Seattle should have been favored in that game.

In my lifetime, the biggest beat-down against a great team was LA Raiders stomping the Washington Reskins in SB 18. The Skins were the defending SB champs and 14-2 during the regular season and had mostly cruised through the NFC playoffs. The Raiders went out and beat them 38-9.

That game was similar in many ways. The Redskins had a historically good offense (highest-scoring record in its day just as the Broncos were in 2013). The Raiders were a great rushing team with a stout offense, as the Seahawks were.

The difference is that the Broncos got smashed so much worse. They fell behind 12 seconds after the game started (a Super Bowl record) and never regained that lead; they didn’t score a single point until they were already down 36-0. They went into halftime down 22-0 (biggest shutout at halftime, also a Super Bowl record). They finished with a lower score and lost by a larger margin of victory. Statistically speaking, Super Bowl 18 wasn’t the biggest beat down of your lifetime unless you died 5 years ago.

Gatopescado 01-07-2019 11:48 PM

Alabama was exposed. Completely overrated from the start.

Jackmannii 01-08-2019 07:36 AM

The 1954 Cleveland Indians' World Series blowout at the hands of the N.Y. Giants.

Bullitt 01-08-2019 07:40 AM

Super Bowl III. Joe Namath and the Jets, huge upset over the Baltimore Colts.

RickJay 01-08-2019 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackmannii (Post 21418123)
The 1954 Cleveland Indians' World Series blowout at the hands of the N.Y. Giants.

Beat me to it. The 1954 Indians went 111-43, a record at the time for an AL team, and just came up totally empty in the World Series. Games 3 and 4 were in Cleveland and the Indians were never really in either game.

The 1969 Orioles did not look good in the World Series, and that was a great team. Most of the games were close, though.

Velocity 01-08-2019 08:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullitt (Post 21418130)
Super Bowl III. Joe Namath and the Jets, huge upset over the Baltimore Colts.

But the OP is asking about blowout losses for favored teams. 16-7 isn't a blowout at all.

Bullitt 01-08-2019 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velocity (Post 21418183)
But the OP is asking about blowout losses for favored teams. 16-7 isn't a blowout at all.

It is when you’re favored to win by — what?, 19 points.

Mr Shine 01-08-2019 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullitt (Post 21418190)
It is when you’re favored to win by — what?, 19 points.

Japan beat South Africa in the most recent Rugby Union World Cup, a shocking result to be sure, but this is explicitly not what the OP is about, as they only won by a few points. Similarly a 16-7 scoreline in American Football is also not what the OP wants, even if it was New England Patriots 7, East Cheam High School 16

mcgato 01-08-2019 10:17 AM

2006 BCS championship game between Florida and Ohio State. Florida (ranked #2) barely got in with a lot of people claiming that there were better choices. Florida was a 7 point underdog and won 41-14.

madsircool 01-08-2019 10:26 AM

Germany 7-1 over host Brazil in the semifinals of the 2014 World Cup.

Cuckoorex 01-08-2019 10:50 AM

During the Chicago Bulls' 72 win season in '95-'96, they got blown out by the Knicks 104-72.

Atamasama 01-08-2019 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madsircool (Post 21418391)
Germany 7-1 over host Brazil in the semifinals of the 2014 World Cup.

Might want to read the entire first post...

HubZilla 01-08-2019 01:43 PM

1996 Fiesta Bowl, #1 Nebraska vs #2 Florida. NU was a small favorite, but it could've gone either way.

Nebraska's old-fashioned Power-I/Option behind a bruising O-line.

Florida's speedy fancy passing Fun N Gun coached by Spurrier in his prime.

Nebraska 62-24, and it wasn't as close as the score indicated. The last play: NU kneeling at the 1.

Velocity 01-08-2019 01:55 PM

This might fail some of the OP's criteria, but six years ago there was a game where China's first-string national soccer team played a game against Thailand (many if not most of the Thai players were second-stringers, some in their teens.) China was heavily favored, and had homefield advantage (game was held in China).


China lost 5-1. It should have been even worse; the ref awarded China a very questionable penalty and it should have been by all rights 5-0. The game sparked near rioting, masses of fans blocked the team bus to prevent it from leaving, demanding that the roster be disbanded, and the Chinese coach was fired.

Bullitt 01-08-2019 02:06 PM

Agree — Super Bowl III, while a big upset, was not a blowout.

Gatopescado 01-08-2019 02:30 PM

2005 Orange Bowl.

Undefeated Oklahoma gets 55 points nailed to them by undefeated USC.

asahi 01-08-2019 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Atamasama (Post 21418485)
Might want to read the entire first post...

Also, Brazil was minus three of their starters if I recall correctly, so the Brazilian team that entered the WC wasn't the one that Germany thrashed in the final. It's likely that they would have beaten Brazil anyway, but that's a major asterisk in my opinion.

asahi 01-08-2019 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gatopescado (Post 21419049)
2005 Orange Bowl.

Undefeated Oklahoma gets 55 points nailed to them by undefeated USC.

This is actually a pretty good candidate. USC was favored by only one point and murdered them on live television.

I still think the Redskins, a 3-point favorite, a defending Super Bowl Champ, and a team that entered the Super Bowl with a record of 16-2 getting blown out by the Raiders is slightly better. But the 2004/5 Orange Bowl is pretty much right up there with Super Bowl 18.

Actually, Alabama losing to Clemson might be the winner if you judge according to the criteria I've laid out: a defending national champion, competing in a title game attempting to get it's second straight championship, and favored to win - by 5.5 points in this case.

So I guess maybe it's Alabama in 2018/19

asahi 01-08-2019 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gatopescado (Post 21417898)
Alabama was exposed. Completely overrated from the start.

I don't think Alabama was overrated - they're a solid number 2. But Clemson was underrated in part because the rest of their conference's mediocrity (at least in terms of records).

asahi 01-08-2019 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mcgato (Post 21418371)
2006 BCS championship game between Florida and Ohio State. Florida (ranked #2) barely got in with a lot of people claiming that there were better choices. Florida was a 7 point underdog and won 41-14.

College football is a greater challenge for odds makers than the pros. Conferences and competition can vary greatly, whereas the talent level is much more even from week to week in the pros.

xizor 01-08-2019 04:02 PM

1999 - The Miami Dolphins bring in a ringer coach Jimmy Johnson to get Dan Marino his Super Bowl ring.
First round of the playoffs, Jacksonville spanks Miami so hard (62-7), that it ends up being the last NFL game for both Marino and Johnson.

jaycat 01-08-2019 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by asahi (Post 21419236)
. . . I still think the Redskins, a 3-point favorite, a defending Super Bowl Champ, and a team that entered the Super Bowl with a record of 16-2 getting blown out by the Raiders is slightly better. . . .

On the other hand, the Skins were 3 point underdogs in Super Bowl XXII, and whomped the Broncos, 42-10.

Velocity 01-08-2019 05:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xizor (Post 21419264)
1999 - The Miami Dolphins bring in a ringer coach Jimmy Johnson to get Dan Marino his Super Bowl ring.
First round of the playoffs, Jacksonville spanks Miami so hard (62-7), that it ends up being the last NFL game for both Marino and Johnson.

But Miami was only a 9-7 team by then; Jacksonville was 14-2 and heavily favored. Few expected the Dolphins to win.


It would fit the criteria more if the Dolphins had walloped the Jaguars 62-7; that would have been a stunner.

Johnny Bravo 01-08-2019 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HubZilla (Post 21418913)
1996 Fiesta Bowl, #1 Nebraska vs #2 Florida. NU was a small favorite, but it could've gone either way.

Nebraska's old-fashioned Power-I/Option behind a bruising O-line.

Florida's speedy fancy passing Fun N Gun coached by Spurrier in his prime.

Nebraska 62-24, and it wasn't as close as the score indicated. The last play: NU kneeling at the 1.

That was '95.

'96 was the year we took it all.

DSYoungEsq 01-08-2019 08:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Bravo (Post 21419410)
That was '95.

'96 was the year we took it all.

The 1996 Fiesta Bowl (played January 2, 1996) was the game where the score was 62-24. That ended the 1995 college football season. ;)

MadTheSwine 01-08-2019 09:55 PM

Ok, not a team....but Buster Douglas comes to mind

kunilou 01-08-2019 10:22 PM

1940 NFL championship. The 8-3 Chicago Bears defeated the 9-2 Washington Redskins.

73-0 :eek:

The game set NFL records that still stand.

Not only that, but three weeks earlier, the Redskins had defeated the Bears in the regular season.

Atamasama 01-08-2019 11:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadTheSwine (Post 21419854)
Ok, not a team....but Buster Douglas comes to mind

Perhaps he counts due to the colony of gut flora living in his digestive tract.

Airman Doors, USAF 01-08-2019 11:26 PM

1960 World Series. The Yankees had a roster loaded with Hall of Famers. The games they won were by the scores of 10-0, 12-0, and 16-3. They outscored the Pirates 55-27. In the end they were beaten by a bad hop on a ground ball to Tony Kubek and a home run by a light-hitting second baseman in the least hospitable ballpark ever built for home runs. I’m a Pirates fan and a Yankees hater, and even I can say that objectively the better team lost. That’s why they play the games.

penultima thule 01-09-2019 03:51 AM

In our vernacular we call these boil-overs, the final score isn't remarkable, just the winner/loser are round the wrong way to expectations;

VFL 1963 Round 10. Last placed Fitzroy (0-9) played ladder leaders Geelong (9-0).
The match clashed with an interstate fixture and Fitzroy's captain/coach Kevin Murray wasn't available as he was playing for Victoria. The field was a swamp but Fitzroy prevailed 9.13 (67) defeating Geelong 3.13 (31).

It was the only game Fitzroy won for the season, finishing last 1-17 while Geelong finished second with 14-4 and went on to win the'63 premiership. Fitzroy lost their next 29 games.

In the four seasons 1962-65 Geelong's record was 56-16; Fitzroy were 11-61

F. U. Shakespeare 01-09-2019 04:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Airman Doors, USAF (Post 21420014)
1960 World Series. The Yankees had a roster loaded with Hall of Famers. The games they won were by the scores of 10-0, 12-0, and 16-3. They outscored the Pirates 55-27. In the end they were beaten by a bad hop on a ground ball to Tony Kubek and a home run by a light-hitting second baseman in the least hospitable ballpark ever built for home runs. I’m a Pirates fan and a Yankees hater, and even I can say that objectively the better team lost. That’s why they play the games.

Other examples from baseball would include the 1914 World Series, in which the heavily favored Philadelphia Athletics lost in four straight games to the Boston Braves (who had been in last place before catching fire in mid-season). Some have asserted that there may have been "external factors" (think Pete Rose) involved in the result.

Another example was the 1954 Cleveland Indians' World Series loss to the New York Giants. The Indians, who'd set a National League record with 111 wins, fell in four straight. In the mid-1980s, a friend of mine who knew a long-time maintenance guy at the Indians' stadium said that the team had never really recovered from that loss. In fact, the maintenance guy told him, they'd never really recovered from"that catch", Willie Mays' legendary catch (and throw) off Vic Wertz in the first game, which stopped an 8th-inning Indians rally and set the stage for the rest of the series.

AK84 01-09-2019 04:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by penultima thule (Post 21420180)
In our vernacular we call these boil-overs, the final score isn't remarkable, just the winner/loser are round the wrong way to expectations;

VFL 1963 Round 10. Last placed Fitzroy (0-9) played ladder leaders Geelong (9-0).
The match clashed with an interstate fixture and Fitzroy's captain/coach Kevin Murray wasn't available as he was playing for Victoria. The field was a swamp but Fitzroy prevailed 9.13 (67) defeating Geelong 3.13 (31).

It was the only game Fitzroy won for the season, finishing last 1-17 while Geelong finished second with 14-4 and went on to win the'63 premiership. Fitzroy lost their next 29 games.

In the four seasons 1962-65 Geelong's record was 56-16; Fitzroy were 11-61

Thank you for not mentioning the 1999 WC Final.
:eek::smack:

penultima thule 01-09-2019 06:01 AM

I thought a team as brilliant, fragile and bent on high rotation as Pakistan didn't fit the OP. :D

Bullitt 01-09-2019 06:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kunilou (Post 21419906)
1940 NFL championship. The 8-3 Chicago Bears defeated the 9-2 Washington Redskins.

73-0 :eek:

The game set NFL records that still stand.

Not only that, but three weeks earlier, the Redskins had defeated the Bears in the regular season.

Yes, Slingin’ Sammy Baugh and his Redskins got totally waxed. I had a phone conversation with Sam Baugh back in the 1990s. Nice guy. He later autographed my NFL book that I sent to him. And then in 2016 on a road trip with my mom from CS to TX, I visited his grave, there in the cemetery just outside of Rotan TX.

Yes, 73-0 is a true shellacking.

Bullitt 01-09-2019 06:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadTheSwine (Post 21419854)
Ok, not a team....but Buster Douglas comes to mind

QFT. Iron Mike Tyson back then (early 1990s) was a beast, formidable, fearsome. He destroyed opponents, he did not just beat them. But James “Buster” Douglas dominated Tyson that day. It made for shocking headlines.

The ESPN 30 for 30 show about it, titled “42 to 1” for the long odds facing Douglas in that fight, is good and worth a watch.

Bullitt 01-09-2019 06:34 AM

The 1989 Denver Broncos won 10 of their first 12 games before finishing the season at 11-5. They had gone to two recent Super Bowls, for the 1986 and 1987 seasons. Although they lost both Super Bowls (39-20 to the NY Giants in Super Bowl XXI, and 42-10 to the Washington Redskins in Super Bowl XXII — anybody else remember QB Doug Williams’ MVP performance in that one? 4 TD passes in the 2nd quarter). Although they lost both, the Broncos had a formidable team and were returning to their 3rd Super Bowl in 4 seasons. And Denver QB John Elway's performance in the AFC Championship Game was widely considered his best ever.

But the San Francisco 49ers had a strong team that year and were favored to win Super Bowl XXIV.

The 49ers defeated the Broncos by the score of 55–10, winning their second consecutive Super Bowl, and tying the Pittsburgh Steelers with four Super Bowl victories. The game remains the most lopsided game in Super Bowl history. San Francisco's 55 points were the most ever scored by one team, and their 45-point margin of victory was the largest ever. The 49ers are also the only team to score at least eight touchdowns in a Super Bowl and at least two touchdowns in each quarter — the only mistake was Mike Cofer’s missed extra point attempt.

55-10!

AK84 01-09-2019 11:50 AM

Wasn’t there an American football team which won every game but the SuperBowl? That must have hurt.

ElvisL1ves 01-09-2019 11:54 AM

New England Patriots, 2007. The Super Bowl loss was on a fluke play (a Giants receiver, David Tyree, caught a touchdown with his helmet). Yes, it hurt.

Velocity 01-09-2019 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AK84 (Post 21420839)
Wasn’t there an American football team which won every game but the SuperBowl? That must have hurt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElvisL1ves (Post 21420847)
New England Patriots, 2007. The Super Bowl loss was on a fluke play (a Giants receiver, David Tyree, caught a touchdown with his helmet). Yes, it hurt.

Yes but the OP isn't just asking about upsets; he's asking about great teams getting unexpectedly crushed in blowouts. The Giants only squeaked by the Patriots 17-14.


If the Giants had won 77-14, that would have fit more what the OP is about.

MadTheSwine 01-09-2019 01:06 PM

1990 Reds beat the (heavily favored) A's 4-0 in a World Series sweep

Railer13 01-09-2019 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ElvisL1ves (Post 21420847)
New England Patriots, 2007. The Super Bowl loss was on a fluke play (a Giants receiver, David Tyree, caught a touchdown with his helmet). Yes, it hurt.

Nitpick: the pass that Tyree caught was a 32-yard gain on a fourth-and-long during the game-winning drive. The TD pass was caught by Plaxico Burress with 35 seconds to play.

Velocity 01-09-2019 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Railer13 (Post 21421022)
Nitpick: the pass that Tyree caught was a 32-yard gain on a fourth-and-long during the game-winning drive. The TD pass was caught by Plaxico Burress with 35 seconds to play.

It was a 3rd-and-5.

ElvisL1ves 01-09-2019 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velocity (Post 21420858)
Yes but the OP isn't just asking about upsets; he's asking about great teams getting unexpectedly crushed in blowouts.

Okay then, the 1940 NFL championship game. The great Washington Redskins team got destroyed by the Chicago Bears 73-0.

Folacin 01-09-2019 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bullitt (Post 21420236)
Yes, Slingin’ Sammy Baugh and his Redskins got totally waxed. I had a phone conversation with Sam Baugh back in the 1990s. Nice guy. He later autographed my NFL book that I sent to him. And then in 2016 on a road trip with my mom from CS to TX, I visited his grave, there in the cemetery just outside of Rotan TX.

Yes, 73-0 is a true shellacking.

I remember reading a story about that game as a kid. Apparently, the Redskins had a chance to score early in the game and didn't. Someone asked Baugh what would have been different if they had scored there. He replied "the final score would have been 73-7".

Don't know if it is true, but I hope it is.

Railer13 01-09-2019 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Velocity (Post 21421054)
It was a 3rd-and-5.

You are correct. My mistake. Manning escaped a sack (which would have made it 4th and long) and made the pass to Tyree.

Bullitt 01-09-2019 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Folacin (Post 21421275)
I remember reading a story about that game as a kid. Apparently, the Redskins had a chance to score early in the game and didn't. Someone asked Baugh what would have been different if they had scored there. He replied "the final score would have been 73-7".

Don't know if it is true, but I hope it is.

I've heard that story also. Hey, maybe you're the one I heard it from! :D

It sounds like something Baugh would have said.


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