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A Dodgy Dude 08-08-2019 11:06 PM

How big a star was Sharon Tate when she was killed?
 
What star(s) today have a comparable level of fame?

Was Tate an A-lister at the time? B-lister?

kenobi 65 08-08-2019 11:16 PM

My understanding is she was just getting to the point where she was getting leading roles (such as Valley of the Dolls), after several years of bit parts and TV roles (she had a recurring role as Mr. Drysdale's secretary on The Beverly Hillbillies). Bear in mind that she was only 26 when she was killed.

terentii 08-08-2019 11:22 PM

After appearing in Valley of the Dolls, she was called "the most beautiful woman in Hollywood," so she definitely had a bright future ahead of her. Why Manson and any of his followers escaped execution is beyond me.

Darren Garrison 08-09-2019 12:10 AM

Earlier thread.

hajario 08-09-2019 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by terentii (Post 21795932)
After appearing in Valley of the Dolls, she was called "the most beautiful woman in Hollywood," so she definitely had a bright future ahead of her. Why Manson and any of his followers escaped execution is beyond me.

Many of them were sentenced to death but the death penalty was briefly abolished and all death sentences were reduced to life in prison.

The_Peyote_Coyote 08-09-2019 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by terentii (Post 21795932)
After appearing in Valley of the Dolls, she was called "the most beautiful woman in Hollywood," so she definitely had a bright future ahead of her. Why Manson and any of his followers escaped execution is beyond me.

He and several of his followers were sentenced to death, but the Supreme Court (the US, I think; it may have been the state supreme court) ruled the then-death penalty was unconstitutional, and their sentences were commuted to life in prison.

The_Peyote_Coyote 08-09-2019 12:55 AM

Sorry, see hajario ninja'd me.

terentii 08-09-2019 01:15 AM

Yeah, I was aware of the ban, but it still amazes me.

SuntanLotion 08-09-2019 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by The_Peyote_Coyote (Post 21796019)
He and several of his followers were sentenced to death, but the Supreme Court (the US, I think; it may have been the state supreme court) ruled the then-death penalty was unconstitutional, and their sentences were commuted to life in prison.

Well, Charlie and Susan are dead, theres no doubt the rest will die in prison.

Baker 08-09-2019 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by SuntanLotion (Post 21796661)
Well, Charlie and Susan are dead, theres no doubt the rest will die in prison.

Somehow I missed hearing that Manson is dead. Good riddance.

That Don Guy 08-09-2019 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The_Peyote_Coyote (Post 21796019)
He and several of his followers were sentenced to death, but the Supreme Court (the US, I think; it may have been the state supreme court) ruled the then-death penalty was unconstitutional, and their sentences were commuted to life in prison.

It was the U.S. Supreme Court - and not only that, but under California law at the time, the sentences were reduced to life with the possibility of parole. This is why you occasionally heard about Charles Manson and Sirhan B. Sirhan getting parole hearings. (Sirhan gets his next hearing in 2021.)

ftg 08-09-2019 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by SuntanLotion (Post 21796661)
Well, Charlie and Susan are dead, theres no doubt the rest will die in prison.

Here's a recent update on some of the figures involved in the matter.

Leslie Van Houten has been recommended for parole several times but then overruled by two different governors. She is long overdue for release. Ditto Bruce Davis.

The politicians bowed to the worst of the crowd mentality who thinks that everyone ever involved in a murder always does life. Not remotely true. So these people are stuck with their actions of long ago and if they weren't associated with Manson would have been released years ago.

Two Many Cats 08-09-2019 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ftg (Post 21797342)

The politicians bowed to the worst of the crowd mentality who thinks that everyone ever involved in a murder always does life. Not remotely true. So these people are stuck with their actions of long ago and if they weren't associated with Manson would have been released years ago.

My ass bleeds for them.

I'm against the death penalty, but all for murderers spending the rest of their lives in prison. These people murdered over and over again with no hesitation. Think it was just the Tate-LoBianco murders? What about Gary Hinman? Shorty Shea? Ronald Hughes? One of them tried to assassinate a president. Let 'em rot.

Moriarty 08-09-2019 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Many Cats (Post 21797609)
My ass bleeds for them.

I'm against the death penalty, but all for murderers spending the rest of their lives in prison. These people murdered over and over again with no hesitation. Think it was just the Tate-LoBianco murders? What about Gary Hinman? Shorty Shea? Ronald Hughes? One of them tried to assassinate a president. Let 'em rot.

Hell, one of the defense lawyers during the trial ended up dead. These people had abandoned all respect for life by the time they were rounded up.

Dropo 08-09-2019 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Many Cats (Post 21797609)
...One of them tried to assassinate a president....

As a reference to Ms. Fromme, it is more accurate to say she was convicted of attempting to assassinate the president, though her actual intent seemed otherwise.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynett...President_Ford


As for Ms. Tate, I think this video related to the movie Don't Make Waves (1967) does a good job of summing up her career in Hollywood up to that point. Although this movie is almost inconceivably awful, its legacy apparently includes Ms Tate's character being the inspiration for Malibu Barbie.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjipvoT1dPg

PastTense 08-09-2019 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by terentii (Post 21795932)
After appearing in Valley of the Dolls, she was called "the most beautiful woman in Hollywood," so she definitely had a bright future ahead of her.


Actually being the most beautiful woman in Hollywood doesn't last all that long before she is replaced by someone else called that. There have been a lot of beautiful women who have made a splash in Hollywood--then quickly disappear into very minor roles.

Moriarty 08-09-2019 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Moriarty (Post 21797662)
Hell, one of the defense lawyers during the trial ended up dead. These people had abandoned all respect for life by the time they were rounded up.

And google tells me that Ronald Hughes, who Two Many Cats mentioned, was that very lawyer. :smack:

Two Many Cats 08-09-2019 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PastTense (Post 21797753)
Actually being the most beautiful woman in Hollywood doesn't last all that long before she is replaced by someone else called that. There have been a lot of beautiful women who have made a splash in Hollywood--then quickly disappear into very minor roles.

There's no way of telling of course, but Sharon was by all accounts blissful about having a baby. She may have just given Hollywood up completely to be a Mom.

Moriarty 08-09-2019 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Many Cats (Post 21797800)
There's no way of telling of course, but Sharon was by all accounts blissful about having a baby. She may have just given Hollywood up completely to be a Mom.

I read recently a tawdry story that said that Polanski forced her into threesomes, and he didnít want the baby. It makes me wonder if she would have stayed with him.

Seanette 08-09-2019 11:47 PM

Sort of a side note: I'm not old enough to remember the Ford Administration (I was still in utero at the time of the Tate/LaBianca murders). Does anyone who is old enough to remember know why he seemed to anger women so much? He's the only US President to have women try to assassinate him, and two tried in under a month.

Two Many Cats 08-10-2019 07:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Seanette (Post 21797916)
Sort of a side note: I'm not old enough to remember the Ford Administration (I was still in utero at the time of the Tate/LaBianca murders). Does anyone who is old enough to remember know why he seemed to anger women so much? He's the only US President to have women try to assassinate him, and two tried in under a month.

No, Ford was a pretty innocuous guy. It's the times that were wacky. Squeaky Fromme tried because, well, Manson Family. That's what they did.

I can't remember Sarah Jane Moore's motive. Nothing particularly feministic though.

ftg 08-10-2019 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Many Cats (Post 21797609)
My ass bleeds for them.

I'm against the death penalty, but all for murderers spending the rest of their lives in prison. These people murdered over and over again with no hesitation. Think it was just the Tate-LoBianco murders? What about Gary Hinman? Shorty Shea? Ronald Hughes? One of them tried to assassinate a president. Let 'em rot.

The one that tried to assassinate the President did 34 years. Compounded no doubt due to escaping once and continuing to be in contact with Manson. If she had done a better job reforming herself she would have been let out a lot sooner.

Young people do stupid stuff. Some of them mature over time. Take Danny Trejo. Got into a lot of trouble when young. Did time. The other day he helped rescue a baby from an upside-down car.

He's not the same person he was then. Neither are Van Houten or Davis. (Yet Fromme probably hasn't changed much.) Putting people in prison and throwing away the key is why the US has a phenomenal incarceration rate.

Annie-Xmas 08-10-2019 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Many Cats (Post 21798112)
No, Ford was a pretty innocuous guy. It's the times that were wacky. Squeaky Fromme tried because, well, Manson Family. That's what they did.

I can't remember Sarah Jane Moore's motive. Nothing particularly feministic though.

Wiki with more on Moore.

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Moore and Lynette "Squeaky" Fromme are the only two women to have attempted to assassinate an American president; both of their attempts were on Gerald Ford and both took place in California within three weeks of one another.

Two Many Cats 08-10-2019 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by ftg (Post 21798122)

He's not the same person he was then. Neither are Van Houten or Davis. (Yet Fromme probably hasn't changed much.) Putting people in prison and throwing away the key is why the US has a phenomenal incarceration rate.

The phenomenal incarceration rate in the US is a result of harsh drug sentences, not from keeping killers off the streets.

In life, sometimes people do things that they can't come back from. Murder is one of those things. No matter how young you are, you know murder is wrong. This isn't something where you can say, "Oh well, kids will be kids."

I'm against the death penalty, but not because it's too harsh. I'm against it because there's too much chance that an innocent person will be executed. Killers should give up their lives. Therefore, prison. For life.

The prisoner can change and be a different person. But that doesn't change what they did.

Chronos 08-10-2019 01:54 PM

[Moderating]

I'm seeing hardly any discussion of Sharon Tate's career here, nor any other artistic topic. If you want to debate penalties for murder, we have a forum for that.


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