Mall of America Assault an Incel Crime?
 

Lost in the news flood today was the formal charging of Emmanuel Deshawn Aranda for allegedly throwing a 5-year old boy from the third floor of the Mall of America.

And buried in the news coverage of that was this little nugget

According to the story, Aranda is a real piece of work in general. But is this going to turn him into some sort of MRA martyr?

...nope.

Agreed.

If he was a true incel, he would have killed the boy's mother and then thrown her over the balcony.

(That guy probably needs to spend the rest of his life in a mental institution. I hope the youngster makes a full recovery.)

No. There is a large overlap between self-identified "MRA"/"MGTOW"/"incel" movements and the white-nationalist "alt-right":
Manosphere types stereotype young black men under the name "Tyrone", a racist caricature of "savage" animalism that attractive white women supposedly find irresistible because they are, according to manosphere types, stupid and immoral and unfit to be in charge of their own sexuality.

So no, the (primarily white) manosphere is definitely not going to try to make a black man like Aranda into some kind of "martyr". Their "martyrs" are the white misogynists who recklessly murder people out of a sense of aggrieved entitlement at not getting laid.

It was part of a show by black online commentator Jessie Peterson HERE.

He says that if the situation had been reversed, a white man deliberately throwing a black 5 year old boy off a balcony with an intent to kill him their would be riots and demonstrations. He says "where is White Lives Matter"? He also points out that he was a Somali immigrant who had a history of problems.

He is right, its barely been covered by the media. The media doesnt mention the boy was white. he also mentions some black activists have been calling for blacks to "Raise Hell". And that Black Lives Matter shut the mall down a couple years ago.

He finally tells white people they should speak up and stop taking this.

Jesse Lee Peterson is a nutcase who "thanks God" for slavery, says most black people are "mentally retarded", that women shouldn't be able to vote, and many more insane and/or hateful things. His views can and should be ignored.

...so that's a "nope" vote from you as well then ?

He sounds like a real fucking moron. I use as a life affirmation the fact that I don't know who he is.

So nice to hear the insane perspective. We hear so little from the insane quadrant nowadays, good on you for doing the tortuous work of listening to a source that you would never otherwise lower yourself to outside of doing research.

If the dude wanted to get MRA cred, he should have killed a woman, or killed a whole bunch of people with a large impressive penis-symbol. Killing just one kid, even in a stupid random way, isn't much of a message.

I'm going to go with "nope" as well. Aranda sounds nuts, and apparently has a rather lengthy criminal history, but most of it is just general-purpose asshole stuff (theft, assault & battery, disorderly conduct, etc), not targeting women specifically. According to this story:

Where were these riots and demonstrations when Dylan Roof walked into a church, murdered nine black people, and wounded three more?

Peterson being an unsavory commentator aside, does anyone truly dispute his point about the media coverage being different if the races were reversed, though? I can't see how a white man throwing a black child off a balcony wouldn't lead to considerably more intense media focus.

What if it was an Asian baby throwing a Jewish lady? Can you imagine the uproar?!

No surprise. It's pretty much the same mentality. Losers who have never accomplished anything personally but think they're special because they have a penis/white skin. They get angry when other people don't recognize their "superiority" and hand them the things they think they're entitled to. They love hanging out with people that are like them because they're scared of people who aren't like them. And when they fail, they blame women/black people rather than acknowledge they failed because they're failures.

I've been white all my life and I've never noticed that I've been oppressed over it.

Maybe the white people who feel oppressed should just stop sniveling.

Hey there, what's with the reality? Why are you bringing reality into a right wing drooling moron fantasy?

How would the media deal with the fact that if the races were reversed, he would statistically get a lighter sentence?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/blac...ry?id=51203491

Naturally, this is why we are all still so obsessed with the David Steven Bell case from last January.

What do you mean, "Who?"?

I find it interesting how this has become all about race, just because some racist lunatic made a show blaming race for this somehow and then got referenced here. Is there any indication at all that this attack had anything to do with race? I'd gotten the impression that it was just some unbalanced dude with anger issues being angry and murderous.

The article states they do not know if race was a factor.

It wouldn't surprise me either way. Shitty people who do shitty things not infrequently have shitty ideas about a whole bunch of other stuff, including race, gender, etc.

What if it was acid glue, throwing Hitler?

ETA: never mind, I see you fixed it in your post

Did you by any remote chance intend to title this thread "Mall of America Assault an Incel Crime?"? i.e., were you asking whether it should be considered an incel crime?

Yes, that's what I had intended to ask. This thread hasn't exactly gone where I expected, but I'm okay with that.

Not to remotely co-sign Urbanredneck's lunatic cite, but wasn't Charleston the catalyst for all those anti-Confederate flag protests?

People should watch that video. That looked like self defense to me. The man was surrounded by a dozen aggressive youths. Are you saying Emmanuel Deshawn Aranda throwing that 5 year old from three stories is comparable?

Demonstrations, maybe. Not riots.

Of course, since we're in GD territory, maybe the biggest (certainly the loudest) response to the Columbia shootings was the Charlottesville rally. But I'm pretty sure that's not the point Jessie Peterson - nor anyone participating in this thread - intended to make.

Of course not. I'm saying that the claim that Americans in general pay more attention to white-on-black crime than to black-on-white crime is absurd. For example, did you ever even hear about this white man shooting this black 8-year-old boy back in 2013?
Cloninger was convicted and is serving a 45-year prison term. Is his name a common household word for senseless interracial violence, the way Aranda's name is likely to be? No.

The question was asked, what are the people on the right saying and I gave Peterson as an example.

So should the press mention racial angles in a story?

I'm not on the right, but if I were, I'd be highly insulted that you chose Peterson when there are articulate conservative commentators who aren't bat-shit crazy white supremacists. Do you regularly follow Peterson, or did you Google the incident to look for conservative comments, and Peterson's was the only one that came up?

As for your question, the answer is: only if race apparently played a role in the crime. The assailant (I refuse to use the names of violent criminals. Too many of them get off on that.) did not say he was hoping to murder a white person; he just said he was hoping to murder an adult. Race didn't play a role in the commission of the crime, and only someone as loony and disgusting as Peterson would say it did.

Self defense? Aggressive? Are you being serious? He was in a crowd of loud and obnoxious kids and as a result, being a man of 6'5" and 250 pounds, punched a 12 year old girl in the face.

Surprised that you would choose to cite a crazy, hateful nutcase as an "example" of "people on the right".

What "racial angles"?

Your free to quote someone else. Yes, I just saw his response and being he is black I thought I would link to him.

No, nobody asked that. You brought your dumbass example in here all on your own.

Seriously?

Y'know folks, it'd probably be fine to let it die. We all are unimpressed by the cite and feel it adds a non-representative (and insane) view on the discussion.

Honestly the question about whether this would count as an incel crime seems to be getting buried under our disgust and the cite.

I thought that question had largely been answered. Does anyone still think it might (count as an incel crime)?

It would help if you would tell us what you mean by an "incel crime". I googled it and it basically says a crime committed by an involuntarily celibate person.

For myself, I would prefer if the motivation for the crime had something do do with his incel status, or motivations based on his incel status or beliefs. A white man shooting a black man because he's black is a hate crime; a white man shooting a black man because he's robbing a bank and the guard happens to be black is not.


(Now somebody slap me for dragging race back into the thread.)

Some of his previous arrests were handled through the mental health court, so he could well be mentally ill:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...5f2_story.html

I'm going to call you on this, Urbanredneck. My original question was whether the crime had some connection to the acts of violence committed by self-proclaimed members of the incel/MRA/MGTOW community. Then Kimstu claimed that particular segment of wingnuts does not normally embrace black people.

And you came in on Post #5 to quote a black "conservative" who's upset that the media hasn't made this a black vs. white issue.

And you agree with him.

As I said, I'm okay with this thread veering away from the incel issue, but you're one of the people who steered the bus into a strawman.

I agree with you, without reservation.

That said, Elliot Rodger (sometimes, even often, referred to as "Saint Elliot" on the various cesspools known as incel fora) was not, strictly speaking, "white."

Ok, then I have to apologize. I didnt catch what "incel" meant in your original OP. To be honest I thought it meant something about race.

I had thought maybe you were trying to say Jesse Peterson is an incel.

From yesterday's news.
The man accused of throwing a 5-year-old boy off the third floor balcony at the Mall of America in Bloomington, Minnesota Friday told police he had come to the mall that day looking for someone kill.

He allegedly claimed he had made efforts to "talk to women in the Mall, but had been rejected, and the rejection caused him to lash out and be aggressive."

To me it sounds like the man probably isn't part of any incel group, but there do seem to be incel type thoughts. Mostly the perpetrator seems to be mentally unstable and lacking mental health help.

'Incel' means 'loser'.

He knew what it meant.

I accept Urbanredneck's apology. Now let's move on to Aranda's overall craziness.

Edit: never mind, already covered.

IIRC, haven't you participated in threads about incels before?

Funny you didn't know what it meant. :dubious: