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aldiboronti 10-05-2017 06:31 PM

Harvey Weinstein accused of multiple cases of sexual harassment
 
Story here.

Quote:

An explosive New York Times story Thursday aired allegations of sexual harassment against the famed movie mogul Harvey Weinstein, who told the publication he would take a leave of absence from his studio, the Weinstein Company.

The Times story is remarkable not just because it uncovered that Weinstein reached at least eight settlements with women over the years, but also because a very high-profile figure — Ashley Judd — went on record. Her story dates back to the 1990s, when, she said, Weinstein lured her to his hotel room for a “meeting,” then tried to coerce her into giving him a massage or watching him shower.

“Women have been talking about Harvey amongst ourselves for a long time, and it’s simply beyond time to have the conversation publicly,” Judd told the Times.
What a creep. But no surprises, this is what Hollywood producers have done since the dawn of the movies. High time it stopped.

Had to add that I love the movies he's backed but he doesn't get a pass because of that.

WordMan 10-05-2017 06:49 PM

This is going to be huge in the movie biz. And yeah, total creep.

Maserschmidt 10-05-2017 06:54 PM

Wow. I've been a fan for a long time, but this completely kills that. What a shit he is.

snfaulkner 10-05-2017 06:57 PM

So are we looking at a Weinstein candidacy for 2020?

John Mace 10-05-2017 06:58 PM

Lends a whole new meaning to Sex, Lies and Videotape.

NDP 10-05-2017 07:15 PM

This is a total surprise ... to no one.*

You don't have to be an insider within the entertainment industry to know that these rumors about the Weinstein have been floating around for years. This story merely confirms them. The only questions that remain are how many women are going to come forward and how many other people's careers are going to be dragged down with Weinstein's.

* Stolen from a Tweet comment.

terentii 10-05-2017 07:30 PM

It's been happening for thousands of years, in all walks of life. Good luck in trying to stop it.

Acsenray 10-05-2017 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terentii (Post 20521133)
It's been happening for thousands of years, in all walks of life. Good luck in trying to stop it.

So you’re saying we should just lie back and try to enjoy it?

You seem to think that your experience of human behavior represents some unchanging eternity. Do you not think that has man behavior ever changes?

Sage Rat 10-06-2017 12:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by terentii (Post 20521133)
It's been happening for thousands of years, in all walks of life. Good luck in trying to stop it.

Given that it has been removed from most walks of life, I think it's fair to expect that it can be removed from the remaining ones.

GuanoLad 10-06-2017 02:17 AM

Yeah, I think it's just the old-school guard who are perpetuating the casting couch these days, and even then most complaints will likely be from instances decades old. It is dying out, and if we can rid ourselves of this unseasonal resurgence of hate and prejudice the world seems to be suffering, it could disappear entirely.

AK84 10-06-2017 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by terentii (Post 20521133)
It's been happening for thousands of years, in all walks of life. Good luck in trying to stop it.

Agreed. And murder, theft, fraud and assault have also existed from the start of time. And will probably continue till the end.

Does not mean that the perpetrators should not be punished.

aldiboronti 10-06-2017 03:35 AM

I don't think it will ever disappear entirely. Human nature is what it is and while we can educate, restrain and punish there will always be men (and some women too) who will use power to coerce others to service them sexually if they think they can get away with it. And of course the very nature of power means that they often will. The best we can hope for is to reduce these gross abuses to an absolute minimum and I think we are making progress. It would have been unthinkable 70 or 80 years ago for serial abusers like movie moguls Louis B Mayer or Harry Cohn to have been called out on their molestation and rape of young actresses. They were untouchable, had the LA police in their hip pockets and could very probably have gotten away with murder. Hollywood is a different place now and while it's still a cesspit in parts it's way better than it was.

adaher 10-06-2017 07:17 AM

Weinstein in general has always been a rather volatile person prone to violence, intimidation, and has an ego that's large even for Hollywood. I would have been surprised if there wasn't a sexual element to it.

Blank Slate 10-06-2017 07:35 AM

Maybe he can get a job at Fox News.

ftg 10-06-2017 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adaher (Post 20521734)
Weinstein in general has always been a rather volatile person prone to violence, intimidation, and has an ego that's large even for Hollywood. I would have been surprised if there wasn't a sexual element to it.

My feeling as well. His mental issues have been infamous for years. It is only surprising that this part hasn't been openly reported years ago.

iiandyiiii 10-06-2017 09:01 AM

Hopefully this will open up others to feel comfortable with coming forward. I have little doubt that this is very common in Hollywood and entertainment in general.

gnoitall 10-06-2017 09:19 AM

I'm shocked. SHOCKED. That "casting couch" wasn't a completely fictional phrase invented for a completely fictional concept. :rolleyes:

Still, it's good that he's outed. More of that, kthxbye. Maybe the industry can make that kind of thing no longer a tolerated secret.

Tom Tildrum 10-06-2017 10:27 AM

It makes me wonder what he did to lose his protection after all this time. Did he try to stop paying on one of the secret settlements?

Tom Tildrum 10-06-2017 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by AK84 (Post 20521569)
Does not mean that the perpetrators should not be punished.

Punished? It's not like anything's going to *happen* to him. Polanski still makes movies, after all.

adaher 10-06-2017 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iiandyiiii (Post 20521913)
Hopefully this will open up others to feel comfortable with coming forward. I have little doubt that this is very common in Hollywood and entertainment in general.

Maybe Corey Feldman will finally name names. He's told his story but said he couldn't name names for fear of being blackballed or sued. And he's not alone. As bad as sexual harassment of women in Hollywood is, abuse of children is a far greater crime and I'm sure there are some people in Hollywood working there today who have totally gotten away with it.

adaher 10-06-2017 07:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Tildrum (Post 20522152)
It makes me wonder what he did to lose his protection after all this time. Did he try to stop paying on one of the secret settlements?

Critical mass of victims, plus a generally unlikeable guy.

BTW, Amber Tamblyn has claimed that James Wood propositioned her when she was 16 years old. He says she's a liar. She wrote an op-ed of her own about her experience:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/16/o...mes-woods.html

Hopefully the culture of permissiveness+silence is ending in that industry.

I'd be willing to bet good money that if the whole truth came out that it would make the Catholic Church scandal look like small potatoes.

jasg 10-06-2017 08:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snfaulkner (Post 20521052)
So are we looking at a Weinstein candidacy for 2020?

Borowitz says he is unfit for any other job, so yes.

Jackmannii 10-06-2017 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blank Slate (Post 20521762)
Maybe he can get a job at Fox News.

Not as long as he's playing his "liberal lion" persona for all it's worth to get off the hook for his bad behavior.

His statement references his intent to go after the N.R.A., which is apparently supposed to put him on the fast track to forgiveness.

Voyager 10-06-2017 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blank Slate (Post 20521762)
Maybe he can get a job at Fox News.

No way. Fox News abusers never own up to their abuse.

Voyager 10-06-2017 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sage Rat (Post 20521489)
Given that it has been removed from most walks of life, I think it's fair to expect that it can be removed from the remaining ones.

It has only been removed from the walks of life where aren't powerful men who think less powerful women will be happy to give in. See the Venture Capital Community. See American Apparel. See Uber. See Mark Hurd who got fired from HP for lying on expense reports as he hit in a PR woman (unsuccessfully) and then immediately got hired by Larry Ellison.

We've got a long way to go.

drm 10-06-2017 11:24 PM

I guess this is an indictment of either his character or mine, but my first reaction when I read the allegations was, "Yeah, that seems about right"

Jim's Son 10-07-2017 05:51 AM

A man who was described by Michelle Obama in 2013 as a “wonderful human being” and “a good friend” who visited the Obama White House 13 times. But then racist sexist bigots like her are sleazy by nature.

Isamu 10-07-2017 06:19 AM

I don't think it's very constructive or useful to blame anyone, such a Ms. Obama, for being taken in by his false charm. Somehow this is her fault because...?

Acsenray 10-07-2017 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voyager (Post 20523521)
It has only been removed from the walks of life where aren't powerful men who think less powerful women will be happy to give in. See the Venture Capital Community. See American Apparel. See Uber. See Mark Hurd who got fired from HP for lying on expense reports as he hit in a PR woman (unsuccessfully) and then immediately got hired by Larry Ellison.

We've got a long way to go.

We've got a long way to go is very different from nothing will ever change, because huge changes have happened in relatively short periods of time.

Acsenray 10-07-2017 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim's Son (Post 20523754)
A man who was described by Michelle Obama in 2013 as a “wonderful human being” and “a good friend” who visited the Obama White House 13 times. But then racist sexist bigots like her are sleazy by nature.

What's wrong with you?

Chronos 10-07-2017 07:46 AM

[Moderating
Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim's Son (Post 20523754)
A man who was described by Michelle Obama in 2013 as a “wonderful human being” and “a good friend” who visited the Obama White House 13 times. But then racist sexist bigots like her are sleazy by nature.

Political potshots like this are way out of line in this forum, as you should be very well aware. Consider yourself Warned.

Two Many Cats 10-07-2017 09:21 AM

How hilarious is it that there's a sexy model ad for Frederick's of Hollywood just below the first post?

As for choosing between massage and watching him shower, I would choose the shower. During an opportune time, I would twist the tap all the way over for either blazing hot or freezing cold water. It's hard to tell which with hotel taps.

Oh, for the days when turning the sink faucet on would turn a shower spray volcanic. You could make it look like an accident.

Clothahump 10-07-2017 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aldiboronti (Post 20520988)
But no surprises, this is what Hollywood producers have done since the dawn of the movies. High time it stopped.

The casting couch, modern day version.

astorian 10-07-2017 09:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blank Slate (Post 20521762)
Maybe he can get a job at Fox News.

Yeah, because liberals would never engage in doing behavior. Harvey must be a we get Republican.

Next week: Whoopi Goldberg will explain that what Harvey did wasn't really HARASSMENT harassment.

FoieGrasIsEvil 10-07-2017 11:49 AM

As long as the casting couch isn't eliminated from porn, then I'm all for removing it from the mainstream.

Acsenray 10-07-2017 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FoieGrasIsEvil (Post 20524230)
As long as the casting couch isn't eliminated from porn, then I'm all for removing it from the mainstream.

I've read interviews with porn actors who say that they never faced a casting couch in the professional porn industry, but did when they tried to crossover to mainstream work.

FoieGrasIsEvil 10-07-2017 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acsenray (Post 20524258)
I've read interviews with porn actors who say that they never faced a casting couch in the professional porn industry, but did when they tried to crossover to mainstream work.

Interesting but unsurprising. I was joking, obviously, about the fake casting couches used in porn..."It's her first time!" and all that balderdash that absolutely nobody believes.

Two Many Cats 10-07-2017 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by astorian (Post 20524059)
Yeah, because liberals would never engage in doing behavior. Harvey must be a we get Republican.

Doing behavior?

We get Republican?

I don't understand how kids talk these days.

Acsenray 10-07-2017 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by FoieGrasIsEvil (Post 20524296)
all that balderdash that absolutely nobody believes.

Come on ... you know that there are people who believe it. These boards are my evidence that for any preposterous assertion, there are some people who will believe it. :)

Acsenray 10-07-2017 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by astorian (Post 20524059)
Yeah, because liberals would never engage in doing behavior. Harvey must be a we get Republican.

Next week: Whoopi Goldberg will explain that what Harvey did wasn't really HARASSMENT harassment.

I believe that Fox News was mentioned not because it's pro-Republican in its public views, but because in its internal work culture it's pro-misogyny and pro-sexual-harrassment.

FoieGrasIsEvil 10-07-2017 12:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Acsenray (Post 20524304)
Come on ... you know that there are people who believe it. These boards are my evidence that for any preposterous assertion, there are some people who will believe it. :)

You're probably right. We're a magnet for every manner of loon under the Sun.

Starving Artist 10-07-2017 01:58 PM

I've always thought of the casting couch as being more of a blatant quid pro quo proposition resulting in actual, you know, intercourse. For a guy as powerful and career making as Weinstein to be asking women to watch him shower or stripping down and asking for massages seems a little...lame. He seems to be more of an exhibitionist than anything else.

DrDeth 10-07-2017 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aldiboronti (Post 20520988)
....aired allegations of sexual harassment ...

Note that word " allegations" .

No proof. Allegations.

QuickSilver 10-07-2017 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starving Artist (Post 20524451)
I've always thought of the casting couch as being more of a blatant quid pro quo proposition resulting in actual, you know, intercourse. For a guy as powerful and career making as Weinstein to be asking women to watch him shower or stripping down and asking for massages seems a little...lame. He seems to be more of an exhibitionist than anything else.

You're absolutely right. Totally lame. Everyone is completely over reacting.

It's not like he raped them in the locker room.

What?....

Starving Artist 10-07-2017 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QuickSilver
You're absolutely right. Totally lame. Everyone is completely over reacting.

Simmer down. The comment about lameness had nothing to do with how people should react. It was on Weinstein's part. One would think that if he was gonna use his position and influence to misbehave sexually that he would have used it to go all the way, rather than employing the half-way measures he's alleged to have engaged in. More like a casting massage table than a casting couch.

Starving Artist 10-07-2017 05:30 PM

On a side note, I notice that all the outraged Hollywood indignates who were so incensed about Donald Trump's pussy grabbing have been curiously quiet. What they don't realize is that their hypocrisy on issues like this only serves to bolster the conservative observation that the severity of, and harm done, by an offense depends mainly upon the political leanings of the person who commits it.

JRDelirious 10-07-2017 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starving Artist (Post 20524451)
I've always thought of the casting couch as being more of a blatant quid pro quo proposition resulting in actual, you know, intercourse. For a guy as powerful and career making as Weinstein to be asking women to watch him shower or stripping down and asking for massages seems a little...lame. He seems to be more of an exhibitionist than anything else.



I suppose it could be seen as a function of asserting power - "I can put you in an awkward, compromising position, and what are you gonna do about it?" And also a way for the person to convince himself what he's doing is not THAT bad.

I suppose there are still folks around who do the full-service casting couch schtick and get away with it. Y'know, traditionalists...

iiandyiiii 10-07-2017 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Starving Artist (Post 20524790)
On a side note, I notice that all the outraged Hollywood indignates who were so incensed about Donald Trump's pussy grabbing have been curiously quiet. What they don't realize is that their hypocrisy on issues like this only serves to bolster the conservative observation that the severity of, and harm done, by an offense depends mainly upon the political leanings of the person who commits it.

I've seen plenty of criticism from "Hollywood indignates". I haven't gone and checked the response of every last liberal in Hollywood (that would take weeks!), but I've seen many open criticisms of this type of behavior, especially from women in entertainment.

eunoia 10-07-2017 06:12 PM

I wonder what Troy Duffy would say about this...

drm 10-07-2017 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iiandyiiii (Post 20524828)
I've seen plenty of criticism from "Hollywood indignates". I haven't gone and checked the response of every last liberal in Hollywood (that would take weeks!), but I've seen many open criticisms of this type of behavior, especially from women in entertainment.

I've seen almost exclusively criticism.

...but whatever helps his narrative...


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