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Chimera 10-14-2015 11:44 AM

New and Unimproved Workplace Rants
 
Since the other one hasn't been updated in a couple of weeks, has over 9,000 posts and over 1 million views, I think I'll just let it rest and start a new one.

And because fuck you, that's why, I'm going to post a sort of anti-rant.


It is utterly amazing how good things can turn when you have a new boss who isn't a total shit. I've been raising issues with her about some of the assholish decisions our last boss forced on us and her response every time has been a rather immediate "No, it should work this way", where 'this way' is actually reasonable and human.

Like the last guy worked from home every day, but when we'd ask about working from home when they were predicting over a foot of snow, the asshole snarled "This is Minnesota, suck it up" and threatened us with disciplinary action if we tried it.

The new boss says work from home anytime it snows.

Old Boss walked out the door growling at me for not shutting my mouth and following the "don't worry, I have plans for you" plans that never included me doing anything I wanted to do or even telling me what his "plans" were.

The new boss has been asking me to attend meetings in her place for things I'm interested in, or just to have someone more knowledgeable there (since she's new to our team).

Old Boss would tell rambling stories implying that I was being disloyal or ungrateful for disagreeing with him or telling him he was wrong, as well as making several failed attempts to discipline me for it. (His boss refused to allow it)

New boss actually listens to us and changes plans based on our opinions and advice.

So a hearty FUCK YOU to the old boss. Good riddance,.

"(so-and-so) who used to work for me asked me one day if I knew what his job was. I said sure, I know what your job is. He said no, my job is to make you look like a hero".

Dude, the team isn't there to make you look like a hero. The team is there to get work done for the company. And no, we aren't narcissists for wanting a little bit of that 'hero' shine to fall on us too once in a while. But you sure are if you think it's all about YOU.

Roderick Femm 10-14-2015 12:24 PM

I'm a guy so I can say this: the differences between your Old Boss and New Boss sound to me a lot like the differences between male bosses in general vs. all the female bosses I ever had. The men were either good-ol'-boys who didn't know shit from shinola (I could actually work around them), or they were passive-aggressive assholes. The women were enlightened and intelligent, and were my best mentors.

I realize it's a small sample, and my last female boss was actually a jerk, but she was only my boss for 6 months or so and didn't last long after I retired so I don't count her much. I'm sure there are good male bosses out there. I just never met one.

Chimera 10-14-2015 12:48 PM

I've had bad women bosses, I've had good men bosses.

I can summarize every last bad boss as "Do what I say without question because I'm your boss and I'M ALWAYS RIGHT! HOW DARE YOU QUESTION ME!!!"

If this is you (generic 'you'), get the fuck over yourself, because you're just another cog in the wheel like I am, just one of millions of middle managers, and I don't work for YOU, I work for the company, same as you.

Skywatcher 10-14-2015 12:52 PM

Best boss I had was an old guy from the Philippines. I was on a temp assignment as a data entry clerk helping his organization get out their new membership directory and he didn't mind at all when I'd use the old directories in his office to fill gaps in a member's work history. Seemed to like it, in fact.

He retired a few years after my assignment was complete.

Grrr! 10-14-2015 01:03 PM

Dear HR,

Don't ask for volunteers to play in your sexual harassment skit and then when you don't get any volunteers, (hint because nobody wants to humiliate themselves) shove a script in front of unwilling participants,forcing them to play along.

And while we're at it, I don't want to shake the hand of the random stranger sitting next to me and tell him something interesting about myself.

Stop it with your nonsense!

Dallas Jones 10-14-2015 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Grrr! (Post 18772669)
Dear HR,

Don't ask for volunteers to play in your sexual harassment skit and then when you don't get any volunteers, (hint because nobody wants to humiliate themselves) shove a script in front of unwilling participants,forcing them to play along.

And while we're at it, I don't want to shake the hand of the random stranger sitting next to me and tell him something interesting about myself.

Stop it with your nonsense!

Hey new employee!

Tell us 3 things about yourself and one of them must be a lie. And we will guess which one isn't true!

Won't that be a fun way for us all to get to know you???

"Well, Ok."

1. I killed both my mother and father when I was very young and the record has been expunged.

2. I was homeless for 2 months one time.

3. I am a Secret Shopper plant from your biggest competitor. Here to steal from you. Corporate spy.


"Oh, come on!. You don't look like you were ever homeless!"

You got me, HR department.

Chimera 10-14-2015 02:44 PM

HR should really stop trying to force employees to play stupid games. They don't decrease stress, they don't make the meeting more fun. In fact, a good chunk of them are just begging for complaints, firings and/or lawsuits.

Jeep's Phoenix 10-14-2015 06:52 PM

Corporate IT has instituted a new group policy that not only makes Internet Explorer (with add-ons blocked, naturally) the only browser that can be used on company computers, but they're also forcing everyone to have the same settings -- specifically, the browser is set by default to open to the home page instead of the tabs from the previous session. WTF???

(Fortunately, the browser itself appears to remember the previous session regardless of which option is selected -- I just have to remember to change the setting every time I open the browser. :rolleyes: )

dalej42 10-14-2015 08:13 PM

Dear Coworker: Please quit the random outbursts into song when you randomly start singing some 80's or 90's ear worm. The only place I've worked where I heard someone singing at work was a restaurant/bar and at least there was alcohol and background music to blame .

A trade desk at a brokerage firm really doesn't need your musical off key contributions.

splatterpunk 10-14-2015 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dalej42 (Post 18773851)
Dear Coworker: Please quit the random outbursts into song when you randomly start singing some 80's or 90's ear worm. The only place I've worked where I heard someone singing at work was a restaurant/bar and at least there was alcohol and background music to blame .

A trade desk at a brokerage firm really doesn't need your musical off key contributions.

Can you maybe find a way to route your mail cart so that you avoid that particular desk?

Silophant 10-14-2015 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeep's Phoenix (Post 18773687)
Corporate IT has instituted a new group policy that not only makes Internet Explorer (with add-ons blocked, naturally) the only browser that can be used on company computers, but they're also forcing everyone to have the same settings -- specifically, the browser is set by default to open to the home page instead of the tabs from the previous session. WTF???

(Fortunately, the browser itself appears to remember the previous session regardless of which option is selected -- I just have to remember to change the setting every time I open the browser. :rolleyes: )

Is it at least a recent IE? The corporate IT at my workplace has the same policy, but it's IE9 (probably to maintain compatibility with some custom app some group, somewhere uses). This means that an increasing number of websites just straight-up refuse to load, instead telling me to upgrade to a modern browser, like IE11. Sigh.

Inna Minnit 10-15-2015 12:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Silophant (Post 18774032)
Is it at least a recent IE? The corporate IT at my workplace has the same policy, but it's IE9 (probably to maintain compatibility with some custom app some group, somewhere uses). This means that an increasing number of websites just straight-up refuse to load, instead telling me to upgrade to a modern browser, like IE11. Sigh.

Yeah. I can't even load our companies webpage properly witn the IE version we have.:smack:

Nava 10-15-2015 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Roderick Femm (Post 18772505)
I'm a guy so I can say this: the differences between your Old Boss and New Boss sound to me a lot like the differences between male bosses in general vs. all the female bosses I ever had. The men were either good-ol'-boys who didn't know shit from shinola (I could actually work around them), or they were passive-aggressive assholes. The women were enlightened and intelligent, and were my best mentors.

I realize it's a small sample, and my last female boss was actually a jerk

Wish it was so simple.

I was thinking about some of my old bosses yesterday (had an interview for an in-house position close to home; well-wishing and crossing of appendages appreciated). Good bosses include both genders; bad bosses include both genders. Sample in no particular order...

Male bad boss the one: decided to steal the research of his doctoral students. After careful application of a flamethrower, he now teaches at a CC instead of at one of the biggest universities in the US. His tenured accomplice (also male) retired "due to bad health".

Male bad boss the second: I only had to put up with him for one day, as thankfully he was my great-grandboss, but apparently the best career choice for a woman is whore. Note that he had a thirteen year old daughter.

Male bad boss the third: "why can't we all be friends" and "let's hug and make nice" were his mottoes. To the first, because your pal Matt is a thief and a liar, and to the second, mind if I use the hug to verify if it's true that the path to a man's heart goes through his stomach? Or, in Matt's case, if it's true for lying, arse-kissing, conniving thieves.

Female bad boss the one: she asked for, and obtained, a team of experienced, get-go professionals (subcontractors, all from the same firm, all interviewed directly by her). Turns out she actually wanted yes-men, oops. Insults, yelling. I was the first person to get another offer and leave the ship, which is when our subcontractor finally woke up, called each of my teammates individuallly asking "but, things at work are really that bad?" and got a string of "uh... dude, I'm having interviews..." She'd been right after

Male bad boss the fourth: also yelling and insults, plus physical assault (not on me, on the dudes, and boy was he surprised when one of them turned out to have been an international-level wrestler); kissed the clients' asses when they were present, insulted them constantly behind their backs. Had to be reminded to wipe off the white dust on his upper lip several times, after his first thing in the morning visit to the toilet.

Female bad boss the second: most change-resistant person in the project. Did not want us to take any decisions. Everything had to go through her desk. She took vacation several times, including a month-long trip to Hong Kong and Australia; we could not take any vacation other than what had already been approved before joining the team. We got caught up during that long trip; after she came back and started blocking everything again, one of my coworkers was heard saying "but why the fuck doesn't she go back to Australia and let us work!"

Female bad boss the third: the manager of the second. Funny thing is, I didn't have much of a problem with her, as she didn't scare me and I had more than enough ovaries to call her on her bullshit and lack of manners; turns out she actually didn't mind. She'd designed this enormously complex database on her own, didn't document anything, would do things like call someone at 3am telling him to add another field to whatever table (at megaspeed of course, so they'd have to ask her to "please repeat it slowly, my brain is still on the pillow"). I refer to her as My Evil Twin: yeah yeah she may be intelligent as all get-go in pure problem-solving terms, but she has no idea how to deal with people, much less manage a team. The woman has the socialization skills of a half brick in a sock.

Jeep's Phoenix 10-15-2015 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Silophant (Post 18774032)
Is it at least a recent IE? The corporate IT at my workplace has the same policy, but it's IE9 (probably to maintain compatibility with some custom app some group, somewhere uses).

It's IE 10. Speaking of custom apps though, we were on Windows XP pretty much up until the last minute due to the number of custom applications in use throughout the company. (Also, a significant number of employees had difficulty with the loss of the Start button.)

JcWoman 10-15-2015 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeep's Phoenix (Post 18773687)
Corporate IT has instituted a new group policy that not only makes Internet Explorer (with add-ons blocked, naturally) the only browser that can be used on company computers, but they're also forcing everyone to have the same settings --

The last place I worked had a corporate IT policy that everybody have the same computer desktop wallpaper. Believe me, I tried to change mine and it was locked down. I learned to tolerate the mediocre wallpaper they used until HR got involved and used it as a platform to force the workplace wellness program down our throats. Specifically the one where if you got a physical, had your doctor sign an affidavit for such and submitted a silly insurance plan quiz in order to get a discount on your premiums. I hate those, and don't need it rammed down my throat. It's none of the company's business if I see a doctor or when or what for.

Catamount 10-15-2015 11:45 AM

People calling out of work:

We at the desk are not your supervisors. We do not care why you are calling out. You don't need to rehearse your sob story with us. You need to speak to your supervisor directly. She comes in at 8, just like every other morning. Call and speak to her then. Not at 7:30, not at 5:00, not at 6:45. The eighth hour after midnight. That is when she will be in the office so that is when you need to call to speak with her.

Jeep's Phoenix 10-15-2015 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JcWoman (Post 18775379)
The last place I worked had a corporate IT policy that everybody have the same computer desktop wallpaper. Believe me, I tried to change mine and it was locked down. I learned to tolerate the mediocre wallpaper they used until HR got involved and used it as a platform to force the workplace wellness program down our throats.

Now that's just plain evil.

JcWoman 10-16-2015 02:35 PM

This will be long so some may want to skip it, but I'll try to write it so it's an easy read.

After close to 20 years in corporate jobs (not counting one decade in local government), I think my patience with corporate inefficiencies and shenanigans has run out. I've noticed that in my last few jobs, it only takes me two years now to start seeing the silly games and get frustrated with them and then burned out because of it. I have a very low tolerance for stupidity.

I'm the kind of person who sees someone doing something unnecessary or that causes someone else extra work and asks why, and tries to diplomatically propose solutions. You always hear that you should never complain about something without suggesting a solution, right? In my experience nobody wants to hear your solutions either, so just shut the hell up. As best I can tell people perceive this as either telling them what to do, implying that they are the problem, or just being a busy body.

There was one job where the engineering team half-developed a software product for a specific purpose and didn't document it. I was asked to implement it for an external customer. After struggling to make it work for several weeks (including using the debugger because I actually thought there was a bug in it somewhere), only to finally learn that someone on another team had the same exact problem I did. When I finally got the bastard working (it was a design choice, not a bug), I made a few suggestions to the engineering manager: please document the details that we were tripping over (because THEY knew what they were and just didn't feel motivated to tell us apparently), or really just make the document explain how to install and configure the thing right the first time. No dice, suck it up sistah.

Much later, I finally - FINALLY - learned that the main reason this engineering team didn't finish their half-done products or document anything was because they didn't have a budget. Yeah, WTF! Basically they worked on things they were asked to for a very precise and limited amount of money and when the money ran out, they stopped working on it.

Another thing about process improvement is that if your suggested solution causes the other team more work they'll be reluctant to accept it. But in my experience, even if the solution causes them no additional work at all, or no changes to their current work, they still don't want to hear about it. Case in point is the time I did a lot of work to identify, write up a justification for and get implemented, a way to sell new maintenance contracts to external customers. It would bring in $15,000/customer/year additional revenue. Caused nobody any extra work because I would be the one doing the maintenance work. I even wrote up the marketing "collateral" that the sales guy could simply hand the customer and say "hey, give this a look see". Nobody would sell it. Just not interested.

Oh well, maybe one way to suggest process changes is if someone in upper management solicits ideas, right? Think again. At the current gig, our executive director paid for us all to attend onsite training for two days. The first morning, and the last afternoon, he interrupted the class to give a little speech. The speech was a pep talk about the importance of innovation and how critical we all were to the future of the company. He said both times that he wanted us to think of things we can do to move the company forward. No idea is stupid, no idea too large. If we thought of any good ideas, just let him or our managers know.

So I thought a bit and decided to propose that we implement formal project management. We currently have silo'ed development where the business team does requirements and the IT team develops solutions. But there are no project managers tying the two together. Which results in things like what happened to some of my projects: a project nearly launched before the executive team even signed off that it was a good idea to move forward with it; IT doing development, moving the code to QA and then doing a code freeze because in their eyes it was done when the requirements weren't done yet. My proposal to implement project management? No interest, dead on the vine. So much for the pep talk.

I'm starting a work from home entrepreneurial thing. Hopefully it will launch well enough that I can retire from corporate life soon. I don't expect it to be 100% roses and rainbows but if my job and company consists of only me, then I won't have to tolerate anybody's stupidity but my own, and if I see processes that need to be fixed, I can just do it.

Voyager 10-16-2015 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JcWoman (Post 18779015)
Much later, I finally - FINALLY - learned that the main reason this engineering team didn't finish their half-done products or document anything was because they didn't have a budget. Yeah, WTF! Basically they worked on things they were asked to for a very precise and limited amount of money and when the money ran out, they stopped working on it.

Good for them. A very good boss once told me to never, ever commit to doing the same amount of work on a reduced budget. A, they will cut it some more, B, if you put in some slack to deal with emergencies you lose it, and when the emergency hits you are screwed. Or C, everyone works 12 hours a day, gets burned out, and makes mistakes to make up for the inadequate budget. And will almost certainly not get thanked for it.
People like you are collateral damage, alas.

Projammer 10-16-2015 03:15 PM

The problem with the work at home entrepreneurial thing is that you still wind up working for some asshole that demands unpaid overtime and will cut your vacation time to the bone.

Nava 10-17-2015 01:23 AM

The advantage is that you know when you get vacation (between projects) and you can work in your jammies or in old paint splattered sweats and a huge old T from your ex. If you're one of those people who need to go for a walk when they get stuck, you can do it. And if you're one of those people who've ever been told by their manager "work more slowly, you don't want to make those slugs look bad" you even get time to clean the house, while still delivering things on time (do it close to the last minute, but ahead of it - it's like playing The Prize Is Right with the clock).

JcWoman 10-17-2015 08:17 AM

Another problem with corporate "life" is that I do spend a fair amount of time not doing anything (hello SDMB) because I work quickly and efficiently, but I need to have "face time" also known as butt in seat. I have gone through the "stages of corporate slackerdom", believe me. By that I mean that at first I would always look for something else productive to do and mostly found that the things I chose, like writing much needed documentation, weren't valued or ever used. I also tried asking the boss and coworkers if they needed help with anything or if there were new projects I could take on. Those earned me the occasional little 15-minute task, but more likely a sit-around-and-wait for assignments that never came (or were themselves 15 minute tasks).

I still do look for work on my own at times, and also ask for new assignments at times. But it's slow going. I am way more productive in my personal life and my volunteering. And that's just pretty sad, since I spend so much time at work.

MagicEyes 10-17-2015 09:31 AM

I would like to pit my whiny coworkers. Coworker #1 is upset because we're not doing something the way he wants to do it. The problem is, we don't have time to do it the way he wants to do it. We have a lot more work to do that's much higher-priority. This summer has been insanely busy, I have a to-do list that's a mile long, and I'm really the only one that's working on this project. If he wants to bitch about it, I would think he could do a little more of the actual work. I'm looking forward to more staff meetings where he gets huffy about the project not being done the way he wants it to be done, and wanting to do it in a way that would make my job much more difficult and make me much less productive. That is not going to happen.

And then there's my Annoying Coworker. We were discussing one of her projects at a staff meeting recently. She was so unhappy with other coworkers not being as involved in this project as she would like them to be (because see above, we're all very busy with things that are higher-priority) that she was almost crying in the meeting, she was very snappy, rejected every idea that anyone proposed, and it was very unpleasant. If I acted like that in a staff meeting I'd probably be fired. I got told I needed to go into counseling because I asked this same coworker to turn down some music she was playing in her office. :rolleyes:

Dr. Girlfriend 10-17-2015 02:04 PM

I found out yesterday that my boss is leaving, and I'm not happy about it! He's not leaving the company, he's just not going to be my department's boss anymore. Little bit of backstory...

When I first started this job I had a really laid-back guy as the boss. Nice guy but maybe a little too laid back. He clashed with grand-boss a few too many times and wound up quitting. Then grand-boss was my immediate supervisor and that was not fun at all. Grand-boss is a rageoholic who likes to intimidate people and looks for reasons to blow up.

Current boss is also the supervisor of another department that works closely with mine, so it seemed like a logical step to have him be in charge of both departments. Only problem is it's too much work for one person. Poor guy was stretched way too thin. So we knew something was going to happen eventually, we were just hoping we'd be the department to keep him. No such luck.

It sucks, I actually like my boss. He's smart, fair, kind, and he brings donuts on peoples' birthdays. He only gets worked up when the situation truly calls for it. Now we're all wondering who will replace him, and since grand-boss is going to be the one who decides it we're all more than a little worried.

Fat2FitMama 10-17-2015 03:07 PM

It's been more than six months since I worked with my former boss and coworker and I can't believe that I'm STILL mad about things that went on when I worked there.

My boss's idea of training was "Well, you've done this before right? Ok. Fine. I won't train you!" and throwing me to the wolves. So that when I did something that was, by her anyway, perceived to be incorrect she would have cause to bitch me out about it. My coworker was constantly up on my ass going "You're doing shit wrong." and then griping at me about it.

When I told my boss I had too much to do and not enough time in my shift to do it, she was like, "Well that's just too damn bad."

My coworker asked me about my family while we were making small talk during lunch when I first started there. I told her I had been married for a good long time and I had a son who is autistic. She said if I would just "open up a can of whoopass and beat his ass more often" he wouldn't be autistic or have ADHD anymore. o.O

She also didn't like the fact that I like to read...a lot. After about the first couple of weeks, I decided I didn't want to talk to her during lunch so I would always bring a book or my e-reader. Apparently she was offended by this and by the fact that I read more than just religious-themed romances (I'm not religious..I'm Buddhist. Which also apparently offended her) and the Bible.

At one point, my mgr decided that we all had to "air our grievances" in a meeting. When I told her that Coworker was a bully and a bitch and I was sick and tired of being picked on, Mgr went to HR because she was afraid I was going to do that myself. I hadn't even though of it..I was just going to grit my teeth and put up with it. HR told Mgr that the word "bully" had been used too liberally in this case, that my coworker was NOT a bully.

I was like, 'Really? REALLY?" and transferred to another campus (I work in a school kitchen) after that because I couldn't deal with it anymore. I would wake up every day trying to come up with a good reason to call in sick to work because I hated working with these people every day.

Hey Hey Paula 10-17-2015 04:43 PM

Four of the coworkers on my side of the office apparently cannot walk without shuffling their feet. It was a bad enough when just the boss and one secretary were shuffling, but our two most recently hired secretaries do it as well. All day long, past my desk to get to the printer, the fax, the breakroom....shuffle shuffle shuffle. I fear one day I'm going to lose all control, channel my long-gone Grandma, and shout "pick up your God damned feet!" Shuffle shuffle shuffle....shuffle shuffle shuffle...how can they even walk like that? It's driving me insane...insane, I tell you!

Canadjun 10-18-2015 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hey Hey Paula (Post 18781586)
Four of the coworkers on my side of the office apparently cannot walk without shuffling their feet. It was a bad enough when just the boss and one secretary were shuffling, but our two most recently hired secretaries do it as well. All day long, past my desk to get to the printer, the fax, the breakroom....shuffle shuffle shuffle. I fear one day I'm going to lose all control, channel my long-gone Grandma, and shout "pick up your God damned feet!" Shuffle shuffle shuffle....shuffle shuffle shuffle...how can they even walk like that? It's driving me insane...insane, I tell you!

Early stages of the zombie apocalypse?

It's Not Rocket Surgery! 10-19-2015 01:45 AM

My division has two supervisors: Supervisor #1, my supervisor, is excellent at his job. He's knowledgeable, has our back, and is willing to do what is needed to overcome the red tape that makes our jobs difficult.

Supervisor #2 is basically the opposite. He's never actually performed our job on the outside, and believes in doing things "by the book" no matter what, even when the book is clearly wrong and makes things worse for our customers and clients. He's also a supreme micromanager, and thinks nothing of sending back work for revision if, say, one comma is out of place, even for documents that stay in-house. We've had a few retirements lately, and a couple of the retirees have told me directly that he is the reason they decided to retire when they did.

The good supervisor has just taken a job in Headquarters. No one has told us anything about how he will be replaced, even though Friday was his last day. If his job is posted, I'm thinking about applying just so I can be sure the bad supervisor is not over me. If Bad Supervisor gets us all, I expect a LOT more retirements and defections; the department has several people who can leave.

It's Not Rocket Surgery! 10-19-2015 12:01 PM

On a semi-related note, WTF is going on with the listings on USAJOBS?

I'm a Federal worker (hence all the red tape issues above) and have been looking to relocate since February. Up to July, I didn't have much luck with jobs (only 1 interview), but there were at least some jobs in the locations I'm considering. I always found 1-3 per month that were worth an application.

I took a class on completing Federal applications in late July. The instructor mentioned that there were always a bunch of jobs posted right around September 30th as Fed agencies figured out how much money they'd have for openings by the end of September, which is the end of the Federal fiscal year.

Or not. Since that class, the postings have essentially dried up in all the areas I've been searching. They haven't increased elsewhere; they just don't really exist. But Midwest/upper South locations? I can't find them with a search party. And now with my good supervisor gone and no one telling us how he'll be replaced, I'm feeling desperate. Fuck!

JcWoman 10-19-2015 03:01 PM

Hi, me again! I desperately want to tell my coworkers something, but I can't without repercussions, so I'll pretend you guys are my coworkers and type it here.

Yeah, I don't know any more than you do about this new customer feedback form. It wasn't my baby. The directors designed it, apparently without any input from anybody else. Especially not from the people who I had always assumed would be part of designing customer feedback forms, like say, marketing. Sure, it's full of typographical errors and bad grammar and half the questions don't make any sense. And yes, it's actually two forms addressing two different types of audience smashed into one feedback form. I tell you, I didn't do it, so sending me your kind suggestions for improvements isn't going to help. Also, complaining to me about the above isn't going to help because I was just as blindsided by the thing as you were - or worse actually because I was asked on 3pm Friday to publish the form so that the customers could send their feedback by COB Monday. Yeah, as if, right? And I'm sorry but when the customers do send the completed form back to us, I have no clue who should get that feedback. I don't even know what they're trying to accomplish with this new form. There has been zero communication about it. Nada. Zip. Stop talking to me and take your questions, your helpful corrections, and your obvious befuddlement to the directors. I'll be right there with you, standing a little behind you and to the left, slightly hidden behind the lamppost so I can hopefully avoid any of the shit flying out of the fan. But yes, this whole thing is a fiasco but I had nothing to do with it. Thank you.

Eureka 10-19-2015 04:04 PM

To the people doing the construction work:

Go Away!

We're so over having remodels done in our space, and all they really did today was show up en masse with their plans and talk to each other about them and generally get in our way.

Well, that's all they did before noon. That's when I left.

(For the record, I went in at 4 am, that's how I got to go home at noon).

Bookkeeper 10-20-2015 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by It's Not Rocket Surgery! (Post 18785937)
On a semi-related note, WTF is going on with the listings on USAJOBS?

I'm a Federal worker (hence all the red tape issues above) and have been looking to relocate since February. Up to July, I didn't have much luck with jobs (only 1 interview), but there were at least some jobs in the locations I'm considering. I always found 1-3 per month that were worth an application.

I took a class on completing Federal applications in late July. The instructor mentioned that there were always a bunch of jobs posted right around September 30th as Fed agencies figured out how much money they'd have for openings by the end of September, which is the end of the Federal fiscal year.

Or not. Since that class, the postings have essentially dried up in all the areas I've been searching. They haven't increased elsewhere; they just don't really exist. But Midwest/upper South locations? I can't find them with a search party. And now with my good supervisor gone and no one telling us how he'll be replaced, I'm feeling desperate. Fuck!

Perhaps they're all worried that they may not even be able to pay their current employees if there's another shutdown?

It's Not Rocket Surgery! 10-20-2015 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bookkeeper (Post 18789368)
Perhaps they're all worried that they may not even be able to pay their current employees if there's another shutdown?

Not really - I've found that most agencies expect to be made whole after the shutdowns. I think it may be a factor in that maybe they didn't want to have open job listings during a shutdown since it would screw up the closing dates/make it impossible for people to apply, but by now I would think anyone delaying a listing would still have put it up on USAJOBS. Hopefully I'm wrong.

DummyGladHands 10-20-2015 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JcWoman (Post 18786587)
Hi, me again! I desperately want to tell my coworkers something, but I can't without repercussions, so I'll pretend you guys are my coworkers and type it here.

Yeah, I don't know any more than you do about this new customer feedback form. It wasn't my baby. The directors designed it, apparently without any input from anybody else. Especially not from the people who I had always assumed would be part of designing customer feedback forms, like say, marketing. Sure, it's full of typographical errors and bad grammar and half the questions don't make any sense. And yes, it's actually two forms addressing two different types of audience smashed into one feedback form. I tell you, I didn't do it, so sending me your kind suggestions for improvements isn't going to help. Also, complaining to me about the above isn't going to help because I was just as blindsided by the thing as you were - or worse actually because I was asked on 3pm Friday to publish the form so that the customers could send their feedback by COB Monday. Yeah, as if, right? And I'm sorry but when the customers do send the completed form back to us, I have no clue who should get that feedback. I don't even know what they're trying to accomplish with this new form. There has been zero communication about it. Nada. Zip. Stop talking to me and take your questions, your helpful corrections, and your obvious befuddlement to the directors. I'll be right there with you, standing a little behind you and to the left, slightly hidden behind the lamppost so I can hopefully avoid any of the shit flying out of the fan. But yes, this whole thing is a fiasco but I had nothing to do with it. Thank you.

Like I tell the complainers around here--"Look, I'm just a typist, the boss told me what to do with this, take it up with him."

dropzone 10-20-2015 09:16 PM

We have a new attendance policy. Fine, since they had apparently stopped having one years ago and people were running roughshod over their schedules, to the point that management had to over-hire just to be sure they had enough people to make the contracted hours. The new one swung the other way: we have to work 90% of our scheduled hours per week, excused absences next week must be requested by EOD Tuesday this week, and sick time counts the same as whimsically taking a day off today to see the Cubs game. Every week we don't make our 90% earns us a verbal warning, four of them in a rolling 13-week period means we're automatically fired.

I got a verbal warning for being sick last Friday because I was really sick and took the day off. I told my boss I was playing the odds, that I'm basically healthy and don't foresee any problems. The reality is that one group stuck in the telemarketing biz is old folk, and old folk ain't healthy. One of my current group is diabetic and got thrown in the hospital for over a week shortly before this policy went into effect, and without applying for time off. It would be two dings now. Another, "my little test case," got a stent recently and, because of his health, has been extremely unreliable since. If he doesn't manage to die before he's fired the company's lawyers will find out about this new policy when the lawsuit is filed.

It's a family company, founded in the '50s, and the only family member who got a modern business education and realized it was no longer 1956 got pushed out for putting on airs and graces. I'm enjoying watching them get dragged into the 1990s. :D

Nava 10-22-2015 04:32 AM

Given that I've been in this project for five weeks and in that time at least four people have left it, I'm reasonably sure it ain't me, it's them (or at least a big chunk of it).

Last item in the what the flying bananas list: we've been asked to update a list with the status of our assigned tasks.
Which btw is checked out to the boss, so we can't do it until he gets back to work and he's several hours behind.
But the WTFB item is, apparently there are several tasks assigned to me that nobody had told me about. Oh, and all of them are from a circus which is not included in my job title.


On another side, but same job, in the last two days I've had three emails from the current agent re. other jobs. I was generally unimpressed with them, but really? You guys don't even know who is already working for you?

Someone needs to come up with the concept of Administrative Quotient (AQ). The ability to track who works for you, know in what language should your employees/subcontractors/vendors be adressed, and so forth.

Macca26 10-22-2015 04:02 PM

I swear, recruiters see my resume and see I work at a sign shop and everything else just goes out the window. The only calls I get are for the position with the other crazy sign guy downstate, the one which I already turned down the offer for. More than a year later, he's still desperately searching for a designer for that position (looks like nobody was stupid enough to take it). But recruiters, please, I'm a designer. I can design anything print related. I'm not limited to signs only. It says right there on the resume all the different stuff I can do. My portfolio shows the scope. Call me about some other position! I contact you back, tell you about my skillset, have a nice conversation and poof! Never a word from you people again until the next agency comes along with ... "so there's this position for a senior sign designer in...."

Lightray 10-22-2015 04:44 PM

Cripes. Legal has "improved" the process for getting a contract approved since the last time I had to do one. Now, every legal contract - even an NDA, which I all I need - has to be approved by a VP. Who are only located in our Virginia offices.

I work in Illinois.

I've just been notified by the tracking software that the contract is ready to be signed - and I should print out two copies and take them immediately to the signing officer.

Well! Let me just hop on a plane and get going then. Seriously, there is no secretary in the legal department who could print out two copies of a contract, and instead a highly-paid engineer needs to finagle someone to do this?

Eureka 10-23-2015 05:30 PM

On Wednesday, they moved the baler.

On Thursday, it was functional again. And there was much rejoicing!

(I don't actually know how long it took for them to get the electrical set up for the baler in its new home. I just know that being without our baler for any length of time is seriously sucky. Especially when no one makes a bale at the other baler.)

Other gripe-- there were at least three other people in my department on Wednesday. Why did they all disappear when I needed them? (I was leaving, so I wanted to say "This is X, this is Y". Someone found and dealt with the stuff I left behind before I came in on Thursday, so it wasn't the end of the world, but still annoying).


Finally, Boss, I'm concerned about you because you are injured, and what it will mean for us if you need surgery and miss work. I don't care about having being lectured about proper lifting technique. Also, you being hurt makes me nervous about lifting stuff-- I don't want to be hurt.

Nava 10-26-2015 08:30 AM

Dear headhunters/recruiters/agents:

If you ask what is my experience in XYZ and I say "zero", and the profile you have actually distinguishes "required" from "desired" and XYZ is in the "required" part, I am not (repeat: nooooooooot) an appropriate candidate for the position. Even if it wasn't for the little detail that I'm about as interested in learning XYZ as in becoming a stripteasing funambulist.

Annie-Xmas 10-26-2015 10:20 AM

The good news is we got amazing new cash registers for the cashiers, just in time to learn them before the holiday rush!

The bad news is that there are five registers that are set for right hand use, and one for the left hand. So which one did they assign to the cashier with a disabled left hand?

I lasted an hour, then had to play the card I hate to play: I need another machine. The manager looked at me, thought about 1/2 of a second, and said "Oh. Because of your hand." I guess it's nice they don't think of me as "the cashier with the bad left hand."

sandra_nz 10-26-2015 10:35 AM

If I spend 20 minutes writing you a guide, then take you through an online meeting demonstrating how you do it...then I actually expect you to refer to the guide when you try to do it yourself.

Grrr!

Kimballkid 10-26-2015 11:30 AM

We had a power surge late on Friday afternoon that fried our credit/debit card machines. We then put up signs on the front door and on each till notating the fact that we cannot take credit/debit cards until the new machines arrive. So don't get pissy with me when I get your groceries all rung up and you try to pay with a card and I say we can't take it. We put those signs up for you, not for us. You could do us a solid and actually read the damn things.

As a funny aside, I had one guy that tried to pay with a card and I had to refuse (of course). So he went out to his vehicle to see if he had a check blank and found a hundred dollar bill in the glove box. :eek:

kbear 10-27-2015 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Annie-Xmas (Post 18805132)
The good news is we got amazing new cash registers for the cashiers, just in time to learn them before the holiday rush!

The bad news is that there are five registers that are set for right hand use, and one for the left hand. So which one did they assign to the cashier with a disabled left hand?

I lasted an hour, then had to play the card I hate to play: I need another machine. The manager looked at me, thought about 1/2 of a second, and said "Oh. Because of your hand." I guess it's nice they don't think of me as "the cashier with the bad left hand."

Aren't left handed people generally accustomed to using right handed machinery anyway? I was a bank teller in college and the right side numeric keypad left me no choice but to become proficient with my right hand. Between that and volleyball the only things I can still do with my left are eat and write!

Chimera 10-27-2015 12:53 PM

Ever had that discussion with your manager about issues, and you mention some of your personal issues outside of work that are impacting you and the manager just shakes their head 'no' the entire time and keeps trying to cut you off and steer you back to work?

From a Corporatist point of view (to which I don't subscribe), I understand the whole bullshit about "leave outside problems at the door", but seriously, do you know ANYONE who can completely pull that off? Me neither.

Oh, and sitting there glaring at me while shaking your head no only tells me that you don't actually give a fuck about me as a Human. That's the sort of thing I remember and take to heart.

Annie-Xmas 10-27-2015 01:20 PM

I pull that off every day. I do not want or need my employers and fellow employees in my personal business.

The rule is that cell phones can only be used in the break room, not in the store. Bullshit. If I need to make a call, I go outside. Not only do I not want them to hear, I also think it's damn rude to think they have to hear your personal conversations (and as a sore cashier who has had to listen to hundreds of customers on their phones, I think that subjecting others to your private conversations is just wrong.)

DrDeth 10-27-2015 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Roderick Femm (Post 18772505)
I'm a guy so I can say this: the differences between your Old Boss and New Boss sound to me a lot like the differences between male bosses in general vs. all the female bosses I ever had. The men were either good-ol'-boys who didn't know shit from shinola (I could actually work around them), or they were passive-aggressive assholes. The women were enlightened and intelligent, and were my best mentors.


We call this being a "sexist bigot".

Roderick Femm 10-27-2015 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DrDeth (Post 18808650)
We call this being a "sexist bigot".

Nice of you to carefully edit out the second paragraph, which carried my point to its conclusion (i.e. "this has been my experience") just so you can call names.

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Originally Posted by Roderick Femm
I realize it's a small sample, and my last female boss was actually a jerk, but she was only my boss for 6 months or so and didn't last long after I retired so I don't count her much. I'm sure there are good male bosses out there. I just never met one.


DrDeth 10-27-2015 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Roderick Femm (Post 18808968)
Nice of you to carefully edit out the second paragraph, which carried my point to its conclusion (i.e. "this has been my experience") just so you can call names.

Because drawing a conclusion without enough samples is indeed a mark of a bigot.

Jeep's Phoenix 10-27-2015 07:14 PM

Just found out today that one of our customer service reps for overseas locations was "given a severance package." This fellow was also fond of using his personal email account to conduct business...amazingly, he has been providing these emails to one of our on-site customer service reps, who is slowly making his way through them to clean up open orders. He came across one very urgent email from June...despite the nature of the message from this customer, former overseas rep guy didn't see fit to forward it to anyone. >.< This customer has now refused to open any new orders with us until the issues are resolved.


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