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Chimera 10-14-2015 10:44 AM

New and Unimproved Workplace Rants
 
Since the other one hasn't been updated in a couple of weeks, has over 9,000 posts and over 1 million views, I think I'll just let it rest and start a new one.

And because fuck you, that's why, I'm going to post a sort of anti-rant.


It is utterly amazing how good things can turn when you have a new boss who isn't a total shit. I've been raising issues with her about some of the assholish decisions our last boss forced on us and her response every time has been a rather immediate "No, it should work this way", where 'this way' is actually reasonable and human.

Like the last guy worked from home every day, but when we'd ask about working from home when they were predicting over a foot of snow, the asshole snarled "This is Minnesota, suck it up" and threatened us with disciplinary action if we tried it.

The new boss says work from home anytime it snows.

Old Boss walked out the door growling at me for not shutting my mouth and following the "don't worry, I have plans for you" plans that never included me doing anything I wanted to do or even telling me what his "plans" were.

The new boss has been asking me to attend meetings in her place for things I'm interested in, or just to have someone more knowledgeable there (since she's new to our team).

Old Boss would tell rambling stories implying that I was being disloyal or ungrateful for disagreeing with him or telling him he was wrong, as well as making several failed attempts to discipline me for it. (His boss refused to allow it)

New boss actually listens to us and changes plans based on our opinions and advice.

So a hearty FUCK YOU to the old boss. Good riddance,.

"(so-and-so) who used to work for me asked me one day if I knew what his job was. I said sure, I know what your job is. He said no, my job is to make you look like a hero".

Dude, the team isn't there to make you look like a hero. The team is there to get work done for the company. And no, we aren't narcissists for wanting a little bit of that 'hero' shine to fall on us too once in a while. But you sure are if you think it's all about YOU.

Roderick Femm 10-14-2015 11:24 AM

I'm a guy so I can say this: the differences between your Old Boss and New Boss sound to me a lot like the differences between male bosses in general vs. all the female bosses I ever had. The men were either good-ol'-boys who didn't know shit from shinola (I could actually work around them), or they were passive-aggressive assholes. The women were enlightened and intelligent, and were my best mentors.

I realize it's a small sample, and my last female boss was actually a jerk, but she was only my boss for 6 months or so and didn't last long after I retired so I don't count her much. I'm sure there are good male bosses out there. I just never met one.

Chimera 10-14-2015 11:48 AM

I've had bad women bosses, I've had good men bosses.

I can summarize every last bad boss as "Do what I say without question because I'm your boss and I'M ALWAYS RIGHT! HOW DARE YOU QUESTION ME!!!"

If this is you (generic 'you'), get the fuck over yourself, because you're just another cog in the wheel like I am, just one of millions of middle managers, and I don't work for YOU, I work for the company, same as you.

Skywatcher 10-14-2015 11:52 AM

Best boss I had was an old guy from the Philippines. I was on a temp assignment as a data entry clerk helping his organization get out their new membership directory and he didn't mind at all when I'd use the old directories in his office to fill gaps in a member's work history. Seemed to like it, in fact.

He retired a few years after my assignment was complete.

Grrr! 10-14-2015 12:03 PM

Dear HR,

Don't ask for volunteers to play in your sexual harassment skit and then when you don't get any volunteers, (hint because nobody wants to humiliate themselves) shove a script in front of unwilling participants,forcing them to play along.

And while we're at it, I don't want to shake the hand of the random stranger sitting next to me and tell him something interesting about myself.

Stop it with your nonsense!

Dallas Jones 10-14-2015 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Grrr! (Post 18772669)
Dear HR,

Don't ask for volunteers to play in your sexual harassment skit and then when you don't get any volunteers, (hint because nobody wants to humiliate themselves) shove a script in front of unwilling participants,forcing them to play along.

And while we're at it, I don't want to shake the hand of the random stranger sitting next to me and tell him something interesting about myself.

Stop it with your nonsense!

Hey new employee!

Tell us 3 things about yourself and one of them must be a lie. And we will guess which one isn't true!

Won't that be a fun way for us all to get to know you???

"Well, Ok."

1. I killed both my mother and father when I was very young and the record has been expunged.

2. I was homeless for 2 months one time.

3. I am a Secret Shopper plant from your biggest competitor. Here to steal from you. Corporate spy.


"Oh, come on!. You don't look like you were ever homeless!"

You got me, HR department.

Chimera 10-14-2015 01:44 PM

HR should really stop trying to force employees to play stupid games. They don't decrease stress, they don't make the meeting more fun. In fact, a good chunk of them are just begging for complaints, firings and/or lawsuits.

Jeep's Phoenix 10-14-2015 05:52 PM

Corporate IT has instituted a new group policy that not only makes Internet Explorer (with add-ons blocked, naturally) the only browser that can be used on company computers, but they're also forcing everyone to have the same settings -- specifically, the browser is set by default to open to the home page instead of the tabs from the previous session. WTF???

(Fortunately, the browser itself appears to remember the previous session regardless of which option is selected -- I just have to remember to change the setting every time I open the browser. :rolleyes: )

dalej42 10-14-2015 07:13 PM

Dear Coworker: Please quit the random outbursts into song when you randomly start singing some 80's or 90's ear worm. The only place I've worked where I heard someone singing at work was a restaurant/bar and at least there was alcohol and background music to blame .

A trade desk at a brokerage firm really doesn't need your musical off key contributions.

splatterpunk 10-14-2015 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by dalej42 (Post 18773851)
Dear Coworker: Please quit the random outbursts into song when you randomly start singing some 80's or 90's ear worm. The only place I've worked where I heard someone singing at work was a restaurant/bar and at least there was alcohol and background music to blame .

A trade desk at a brokerage firm really doesn't need your musical off key contributions.

Can you maybe find a way to route your mail cart so that you avoid that particular desk?

Silophant 10-14-2015 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeep's Phoenix (Post 18773687)
Corporate IT has instituted a new group policy that not only makes Internet Explorer (with add-ons blocked, naturally) the only browser that can be used on company computers, but they're also forcing everyone to have the same settings -- specifically, the browser is set by default to open to the home page instead of the tabs from the previous session. WTF???

(Fortunately, the browser itself appears to remember the previous session regardless of which option is selected -- I just have to remember to change the setting every time I open the browser. :rolleyes: )

Is it at least a recent IE? The corporate IT at my workplace has the same policy, but it's IE9 (probably to maintain compatibility with some custom app some group, somewhere uses). This means that an increasing number of websites just straight-up refuse to load, instead telling me to upgrade to a modern browser, like IE11. Sigh.

Inna Minnit 10-14-2015 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Silophant (Post 18774032)
Is it at least a recent IE? The corporate IT at my workplace has the same policy, but it's IE9 (probably to maintain compatibility with some custom app some group, somewhere uses). This means that an increasing number of websites just straight-up refuse to load, instead telling me to upgrade to a modern browser, like IE11. Sigh.

Yeah. I can't even load our companies webpage properly witn the IE version we have.:smack:

Nava 10-15-2015 05:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Roderick Femm (Post 18772505)
I'm a guy so I can say this: the differences between your Old Boss and New Boss sound to me a lot like the differences between male bosses in general vs. all the female bosses I ever had. The men were either good-ol'-boys who didn't know shit from shinola (I could actually work around them), or they were passive-aggressive assholes. The women were enlightened and intelligent, and were my best mentors.

I realize it's a small sample, and my last female boss was actually a jerk

Wish it was so simple.

I was thinking about some of my old bosses yesterday (had an interview for an in-house position close to home; well-wishing and crossing of appendages appreciated). Good bosses include both genders; bad bosses include both genders. Sample in no particular order...

Male bad boss the one: decided to steal the research of his doctoral students. After careful application of a flamethrower, he now teaches at a CC instead of at one of the biggest universities in the US. His tenured accomplice (also male) retired "due to bad health".

Male bad boss the second: I only had to put up with him for one day, as thankfully he was my great-grandboss, but apparently the best career choice for a woman is whore. Note that he had a thirteen year old daughter.

Male bad boss the third: "why can't we all be friends" and "let's hug and make nice" were his mottoes. To the first, because your pal Matt is a thief and a liar, and to the second, mind if I use the hug to verify if it's true that the path to a man's heart goes through his stomach? Or, in Matt's case, if it's true for lying, arse-kissing, conniving thieves.

Female bad boss the one: she asked for, and obtained, a team of experienced, get-go professionals (subcontractors, all from the same firm, all interviewed directly by her). Turns out she actually wanted yes-men, oops. Insults, yelling. I was the first person to get another offer and leave the ship, which is when our subcontractor finally woke up, called each of my teammates individuallly asking "but, things at work are really that bad?" and got a string of "uh... dude, I'm having interviews..." She'd been right after

Male bad boss the fourth: also yelling and insults, plus physical assault (not on me, on the dudes, and boy was he surprised when one of them turned out to have been an international-level wrestler); kissed the clients' asses when they were present, insulted them constantly behind their backs. Had to be reminded to wipe off the white dust on his upper lip several times, after his first thing in the morning visit to the toilet.

Female bad boss the second: most change-resistant person in the project. Did not want us to take any decisions. Everything had to go through her desk. She took vacation several times, including a month-long trip to Hong Kong and Australia; we could not take any vacation other than what had already been approved before joining the team. We got caught up during that long trip; after she came back and started blocking everything again, one of my coworkers was heard saying "but why the fuck doesn't she go back to Australia and let us work!"

Female bad boss the third: the manager of the second. Funny thing is, I didn't have much of a problem with her, as she didn't scare me and I had more than enough ovaries to call her on her bullshit and lack of manners; turns out she actually didn't mind. She'd designed this enormously complex database on her own, didn't document anything, would do things like call someone at 3am telling him to add another field to whatever table (at megaspeed of course, so they'd have to ask her to "please repeat it slowly, my brain is still on the pillow"). I refer to her as My Evil Twin: yeah yeah she may be intelligent as all get-go in pure problem-solving terms, but she has no idea how to deal with people, much less manage a team. The woman has the socialization skills of a half brick in a sock.

Jeep's Phoenix 10-15-2015 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Silophant (Post 18774032)
Is it at least a recent IE? The corporate IT at my workplace has the same policy, but it's IE9 (probably to maintain compatibility with some custom app some group, somewhere uses).

It's IE 10. Speaking of custom apps though, we were on Windows XP pretty much up until the last minute due to the number of custom applications in use throughout the company. (Also, a significant number of employees had difficulty with the loss of the Start button.)

JcWoman 10-15-2015 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeep's Phoenix (Post 18773687)
Corporate IT has instituted a new group policy that not only makes Internet Explorer (with add-ons blocked, naturally) the only browser that can be used on company computers, but they're also forcing everyone to have the same settings --

The last place I worked had a corporate IT policy that everybody have the same computer desktop wallpaper. Believe me, I tried to change mine and it was locked down. I learned to tolerate the mediocre wallpaper they used until HR got involved and used it as a platform to force the workplace wellness program down our throats. Specifically the one where if you got a physical, had your doctor sign an affidavit for such and submitted a silly insurance plan quiz in order to get a discount on your premiums. I hate those, and don't need it rammed down my throat. It's none of the company's business if I see a doctor or when or what for.

Catamount 10-15-2015 10:45 AM

People calling out of work:

We at the desk are not your supervisors. We do not care why you are calling out. You don't need to rehearse your sob story with us. You need to speak to your supervisor directly. She comes in at 8, just like every other morning. Call and speak to her then. Not at 7:30, not at 5:00, not at 6:45. The eighth hour after midnight. That is when she will be in the office so that is when you need to call to speak with her.

Jeep's Phoenix 10-15-2015 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by JcWoman (Post 18775379)
The last place I worked had a corporate IT policy that everybody have the same computer desktop wallpaper. Believe me, I tried to change mine and it was locked down. I learned to tolerate the mediocre wallpaper they used until HR got involved and used it as a platform to force the workplace wellness program down our throats.

Now that's just plain evil.

JcWoman 10-16-2015 01:35 PM

This will be long so some may want to skip it, but I'll try to write it so it's an easy read.

After close to 20 years in corporate jobs (not counting one decade in local government), I think my patience with corporate inefficiencies and shenanigans has run out. I've noticed that in my last few jobs, it only takes me two years now to start seeing the silly games and get frustrated with them and then burned out because of it. I have a very low tolerance for stupidity.

I'm the kind of person who sees someone doing something unnecessary or that causes someone else extra work and asks why, and tries to diplomatically propose solutions. You always hear that you should never complain about something without suggesting a solution, right? In my experience nobody wants to hear your solutions either, so just shut the hell up. As best I can tell people perceive this as either telling them what to do, implying that they are the problem, or just being a busy body.

There was one job where the engineering team half-developed a software product for a specific purpose and didn't document it. I was asked to implement it for an external customer. After struggling to make it work for several weeks (including using the debugger because I actually thought there was a bug in it somewhere), only to finally learn that someone on another team had the same exact problem I did. When I finally got the bastard working (it was a design choice, not a bug), I made a few suggestions to the engineering manager: please document the details that we were tripping over (because THEY knew what they were and just didn't feel motivated to tell us apparently), or really just make the document explain how to install and configure the thing right the first time. No dice, suck it up sistah.

Much later, I finally - FINALLY - learned that the main reason this engineering team didn't finish their half-done products or document anything was because they didn't have a budget. Yeah, WTF! Basically they worked on things they were asked to for a very precise and limited amount of money and when the money ran out, they stopped working on it.

Another thing about process improvement is that if your suggested solution causes the other team more work they'll be reluctant to accept it. But in my experience, even if the solution causes them no additional work at all, or no changes to their current work, they still don't want to hear about it. Case in point is the time I did a lot of work to identify, write up a justification for and get implemented, a way to sell new maintenance contracts to external customers. It would bring in $15,000/customer/year additional revenue. Caused nobody any extra work because I would be the one doing the maintenance work. I even wrote up the marketing "collateral" that the sales guy could simply hand the customer and say "hey, give this a look see". Nobody would sell it. Just not interested.

Oh well, maybe one way to suggest process changes is if someone in upper management solicits ideas, right? Think again. At the current gig, our executive director paid for us all to attend onsite training for two days. The first morning, and the last afternoon, he interrupted the class to give a little speech. The speech was a pep talk about the importance of innovation and how critical we all were to the future of the company. He said both times that he wanted us to think of things we can do to move the company forward. No idea is stupid, no idea too large. If we thought of any good ideas, just let him or our managers know.

So I thought a bit and decided to propose that we implement formal project management. We currently have silo'ed development where the business team does requirements and the IT team develops solutions. But there are no project managers tying the two together. Which results in things like what happened to some of my projects: a project nearly launched before the executive team even signed off that it was a good idea to move forward with it; IT doing development, moving the code to QA and then doing a code freeze because in their eyes it was done when the requirements weren't done yet. My proposal to implement project management? No interest, dead on the vine. So much for the pep talk.

I'm starting a work from home entrepreneurial thing. Hopefully it will launch well enough that I can retire from corporate life soon. I don't expect it to be 100% roses and rainbows but if my job and company consists of only me, then I won't have to tolerate anybody's stupidity but my own, and if I see processes that need to be fixed, I can just do it.

Voyager 10-16-2015 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JcWoman (Post 18779015)
Much later, I finally - FINALLY - learned that the main reason this engineering team didn't finish their half-done products or document anything was because they didn't have a budget. Yeah, WTF! Basically they worked on things they were asked to for a very precise and limited amount of money and when the money ran out, they stopped working on it.

Good for them. A very good boss once told me to never, ever commit to doing the same amount of work on a reduced budget. A, they will cut it some more, B, if you put in some slack to deal with emergencies you lose it, and when the emergency hits you are screwed. Or C, everyone works 12 hours a day, gets burned out, and makes mistakes to make up for the inadequate budget. And will almost certainly not get thanked for it.
People like you are collateral damage, alas.

Projammer 10-16-2015 02:15 PM

The problem with the work at home entrepreneurial thing is that you still wind up working for some asshole that demands unpaid overtime and will cut your vacation time to the bone.

Nava 10-17-2015 12:23 AM

The advantage is that you know when you get vacation (between projects) and you can work in your jammies or in old paint splattered sweats and a huge old T from your ex. If you're one of those people who need to go for a walk when they get stuck, you can do it. And if you're one of those people who've ever been told by their manager "work more slowly, you don't want to make those slugs look bad" you even get time to clean the house, while still delivering things on time (do it close to the last minute, but ahead of it - it's like playing The Prize Is Right with the clock).

JcWoman 10-17-2015 07:17 AM

Another problem with corporate "life" is that I do spend a fair amount of time not doing anything (hello SDMB) because I work quickly and efficiently, but I need to have "face time" also known as butt in seat. I have gone through the "stages of corporate slackerdom", believe me. By that I mean that at first I would always look for something else productive to do and mostly found that the things I chose, like writing much needed documentation, weren't valued or ever used. I also tried asking the boss and coworkers if they needed help with anything or if there were new projects I could take on. Those earned me the occasional little 15-minute task, but more likely a sit-around-and-wait for assignments that never came (or were themselves 15 minute tasks).

I still do look for work on my own at times, and also ask for new assignments at times. But it's slow going. I am way more productive in my personal life and my volunteering. And that's just pretty sad, since I spend so much time at work.

MagicEyes 10-17-2015 08:31 AM

I would like to pit my whiny coworkers. Coworker #1 is upset because we're not doing something the way he wants to do it. The problem is, we don't have time to do it the way he wants to do it. We have a lot more work to do that's much higher-priority. This summer has been insanely busy, I have a to-do list that's a mile long, and I'm really the only one that's working on this project. If he wants to bitch about it, I would think he could do a little more of the actual work. I'm looking forward to more staff meetings where he gets huffy about the project not being done the way he wants it to be done, and wanting to do it in a way that would make my job much more difficult and make me much less productive. That is not going to happen.

And then there's my Annoying Coworker. We were discussing one of her projects at a staff meeting recently. She was so unhappy with other coworkers not being as involved in this project as she would like them to be (because see above, we're all very busy with things that are higher-priority) that she was almost crying in the meeting, she was very snappy, rejected every idea that anyone proposed, and it was very unpleasant. If I acted like that in a staff meeting I'd probably be fired. I got told I needed to go into counseling because I asked this same coworker to turn down some music she was playing in her office. :rolleyes:

Dr. Girlfriend 10-17-2015 01:04 PM

I found out yesterday that my boss is leaving, and I'm not happy about it! He's not leaving the company, he's just not going to be my department's boss anymore. Little bit of backstory...

When I first started this job I had a really laid-back guy as the boss. Nice guy but maybe a little too laid back. He clashed with grand-boss a few too many times and wound up quitting. Then grand-boss was my immediate supervisor and that was not fun at all. Grand-boss is a rageoholic who likes to intimidate people and looks for reasons to blow up.

Current boss is also the supervisor of another department that works closely with mine, so it seemed like a logical step to have him be in charge of both departments. Only problem is it's too much work for one person. Poor guy was stretched way too thin. So we knew something was going to happen eventually, we were just hoping we'd be the department to keep him. No such luck.

It sucks, I actually like my boss. He's smart, fair, kind, and he brings donuts on peoples' birthdays. He only gets worked up when the situation truly calls for it. Now we're all wondering who will replace him, and since grand-boss is going to be the one who decides it we're all more than a little worried.

Fat2FitMama 10-17-2015 02:07 PM

It's been more than six months since I worked with my former boss and coworker and I can't believe that I'm STILL mad about things that went on when I worked there.

My boss's idea of training was "Well, you've done this before right? Ok. Fine. I won't train you!" and throwing me to the wolves. So that when I did something that was, by her anyway, perceived to be incorrect she would have cause to bitch me out about it. My coworker was constantly up on my ass going "You're doing shit wrong." and then griping at me about it.

When I told my boss I had too much to do and not enough time in my shift to do it, she was like, "Well that's just too damn bad."

My coworker asked me about my family while we were making small talk during lunch when I first started there. I told her I had been married for a good long time and I had a son who is autistic. She said if I would just "open up a can of whoopass and beat his ass more often" he wouldn't be autistic or have ADHD anymore. o.O

She also didn't like the fact that I like to read...a lot. After about the first couple of weeks, I decided I didn't want to talk to her during lunch so I would always bring a book or my e-reader. Apparently she was offended by this and by the fact that I read more than just religious-themed romances (I'm not religious..I'm Buddhist. Which also apparently offended her) and the Bible.

At one point, my mgr decided that we all had to "air our grievances" in a meeting. When I told her that Coworker was a bully and a bitch and I was sick and tired of being picked on, Mgr went to HR because she was afraid I was going to do that myself. I hadn't even though of it..I was just going to grit my teeth and put up with it. HR told Mgr that the word "bully" had been used too liberally in this case, that my coworker was NOT a bully.

I was like, 'Really? REALLY?" and transferred to another campus (I work in a school kitchen) after that because I couldn't deal with it anymore. I would wake up every day trying to come up with a good reason to call in sick to work because I hated working with these people every day.

Hey Hey Paula 10-17-2015 03:43 PM

Four of the coworkers on my side of the office apparently cannot walk without shuffling their feet. It was a bad enough when just the boss and one secretary were shuffling, but our two most recently hired secretaries do it as well. All day long, past my desk to get to the printer, the fax, the breakroom....shuffle shuffle shuffle. I fear one day I'm going to lose all control, channel my long-gone Grandma, and shout "pick up your God damned feet!" Shuffle shuffle shuffle....shuffle shuffle shuffle...how can they even walk like that? It's driving me insane...insane, I tell you!

Canadjun 10-18-2015 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Hey Hey Paula (Post 18781586)
Four of the coworkers on my side of the office apparently cannot walk without shuffling their feet. It was a bad enough when just the boss and one secretary were shuffling, but our two most recently hired secretaries do it as well. All day long, past my desk to get to the printer, the fax, the breakroom....shuffle shuffle shuffle. I fear one day I'm going to lose all control, channel my long-gone Grandma, and shout "pick up your God damned feet!" Shuffle shuffle shuffle....shuffle shuffle shuffle...how can they even walk like that? It's driving me insane...insane, I tell you!

Early stages of the zombie apocalypse?

It's Not Rocket Surgery! 10-19-2015 12:45 AM

My division has two supervisors: Supervisor #1, my supervisor, is excellent at his job. He's knowledgeable, has our back, and is willing to do what is needed to overcome the red tape that makes our jobs difficult.

Supervisor #2 is basically the opposite. He's never actually performed our job on the outside, and believes in doing things "by the book" no matter what, even when the book is clearly wrong and makes things worse for our customers and clients. He's also a supreme micromanager, and thinks nothing of sending back work for revision if, say, one comma is out of place, even for documents that stay in-house. We've had a few retirements lately, and a couple of the retirees have told me directly that he is the reason they decided to retire when they did.

The good supervisor has just taken a job in Headquarters. No one has told us anything about how he will be replaced, even though Friday was his last day. If his job is posted, I'm thinking about applying just so I can be sure the bad supervisor is not over me. If Bad Supervisor gets us all, I expect a LOT more retirements and defections; the department has several people who can leave.

It's Not Rocket Surgery! 10-19-2015 11:01 AM

On a semi-related note, WTF is going on with the listings on USAJOBS?

I'm a Federal worker (hence all the red tape issues above) and have been looking to relocate since February. Up to July, I didn't have much luck with jobs (only 1 interview), but there were at least some jobs in the locations I'm considering. I always found 1-3 per month that were worth an application.

I took a class on completing Federal applications in late July. The instructor mentioned that there were always a bunch of jobs posted right around September 30th as Fed agencies figured out how much money they'd have for openings by the end of September, which is the end of the Federal fiscal year.

Or not. Since that class, the postings have essentially dried up in all the areas I've been searching. They haven't increased elsewhere; they just don't really exist. But Midwest/upper South locations? I can't find them with a search party. And now with my good supervisor gone and no one telling us how he'll be replaced, I'm feeling desperate. Fuck!

JcWoman 10-19-2015 02:01 PM

Hi, me again! I desperately want to tell my coworkers something, but I can't without repercussions, so I'll pretend you guys are my coworkers and type it here.

Yeah, I don't know any more than you do about this new customer feedback form. It wasn't my baby. The directors designed it, apparently without any input from anybody else. Especially not from the people who I had always assumed would be part of designing customer feedback forms, like say, marketing. Sure, it's full of typographical errors and bad grammar and half the questions don't make any sense. And yes, it's actually two forms addressing two different types of audience smashed into one feedback form. I tell you, I didn't do it, so sending me your kind suggestions for improvements isn't going to help. Also, complaining to me about the above isn't going to help because I was just as blindsided by the thing as you were - or worse actually because I was asked on 3pm Friday to publish the form so that the customers could send their feedback by COB Monday. Yeah, as if, right? And I'm sorry but when the customers do send the completed form back to us, I have no clue who should get that feedback. I don't even know what they're trying to accomplish with this new form. There has been zero communication about it. Nada. Zip. Stop talking to me and take your questions, your helpful corrections, and your obvious befuddlement to the directors. I'll be right there with you, standing a little behind you and to the left, slightly hidden behind the lamppost so I can hopefully avoid any of the shit flying out of the fan. But yes, this whole thing is a fiasco but I had nothing to do with it. Thank you.

Eureka 10-19-2015 03:04 PM

To the people doing the construction work:

Go Away!

We're so over having remodels done in our space, and all they really did today was show up en masse with their plans and talk to each other about them and generally get in our way.

Well, that's all they did before noon. That's when I left.

(For the record, I went in at 4 am, that's how I got to go home at noon).

Bookkeeper 10-20-2015 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by It's Not Rocket Surgery! (Post 18785937)
On a semi-related note, WTF is going on with the listings on USAJOBS?

I'm a Federal worker (hence all the red tape issues above) and have been looking to relocate since February. Up to July, I didn't have much luck with jobs (only 1 interview), but there were at least some jobs in the locations I'm considering. I always found 1-3 per month that were worth an application.

I took a class on completing Federal applications in late July. The instructor mentioned that there were always a bunch of jobs posted right around September 30th as Fed agencies figured out how much money they'd have for openings by the end of September, which is the end of the Federal fiscal year.

Or not. Since that class, the postings have essentially dried up in all the areas I've been searching. They haven't increased elsewhere; they just don't really exist. But Midwest/upper South locations? I can't find them with a search party. And now with my good supervisor gone and no one telling us how he'll be replaced, I'm feeling desperate. Fuck!

Perhaps they're all worried that they may not even be able to pay their current employees if there's another shutdown?

It's Not Rocket Surgery! 10-20-2015 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bookkeeper (Post 18789368)
Perhaps they're all worried that they may not even be able to pay their current employees if there's another shutdown?

Not really - I've found that most agencies expect to be made whole after the shutdowns. I think it may be a factor in that maybe they didn't want to have open job listings during a shutdown since it would screw up the closing dates/make it impossible for people to apply, but by now I would think anyone delaying a listing would still have put it up on USAJOBS. Hopefully I'm wrong.

DummyGladHands 10-20-2015 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by JcWoman (Post 18786587)
Hi, me again! I desperately want to tell my coworkers something, but I can't without repercussions, so I'll pretend you guys are my coworkers and type it here.

Yeah, I don't know any more than you do about this new customer feedback form. It wasn't my baby. The directors designed it, apparently without any input from anybody else. Especially not from the people who I had always assumed would be part of designing customer feedback forms, like say, marketing. Sure, it's full of typographical errors and bad grammar and half the questions don't make any sense. And yes, it's actually two forms addressing two different types of audience smashed into one feedback form. I tell you, I didn't do it, so sending me your kind suggestions for improvements isn't going to help. Also, complaining to me about the above isn't going to help because I was just as blindsided by the thing as you were - or worse actually because I was asked on 3pm Friday to publish the form so that the customers could send their feedback by COB Monday. Yeah, as if, right? And I'm sorry but when the customers do send the completed form back to us, I have no clue who should get that feedback. I don't even know what they're trying to accomplish with this new form. There has been zero communication about it. Nada. Zip. Stop talking to me and take your questions, your helpful corrections, and your obvious befuddlement to the directors. I'll be right there with you, standing a little behind you and to the left, slightly hidden behind the lamppost so I can hopefully avoid any of the shit flying out of the fan. But yes, this whole thing is a fiasco but I had nothing to do with it. Thank you.

Like I tell the complainers around here--"Look, I'm just a typist, the boss told me what to do with this, take it up with him."

dropzone 10-20-2015 08:16 PM

We have a new attendance policy. Fine, since they had apparently stopped having one years ago and people were running roughshod over their schedules, to the point that management had to over-hire just to be sure they had enough people to make the contracted hours. The new one swung the other way: we have to work 90% of our scheduled hours per week, excused absences next week must be requested by EOD Tuesday this week, and sick time counts the same as whimsically taking a day off today to see the Cubs game. Every week we don't make our 90% earns us a verbal warning, four of them in a rolling 13-week period means we're automatically fired.

I got a verbal warning for being sick last Friday because I was really sick and took the day off. I told my boss I was playing the odds, that I'm basically healthy and don't foresee any problems. The reality is that one group stuck in the telemarketing biz is old folk, and old folk ain't healthy. One of my current group is diabetic and got thrown in the hospital for over a week shortly before this policy went into effect, and without applying for time off. It would be two dings now. Another, "my little test case," got a stent recently and, because of his health, has been extremely unreliable since. If he doesn't manage to die before he's fired the company's lawyers will find out about this new policy when the lawsuit is filed.

It's a family company, founded in the '50s, and the only family member who got a modern business education and realized it was no longer 1956 got pushed out for putting on airs and graces. I'm enjoying watching them get dragged into the 1990s. :D

Nava 10-22-2015 03:32 AM

Given that I've been in this project for five weeks and in that time at least four people have left it, I'm reasonably sure it ain't me, it's them (or at least a big chunk of it).

Last item in the what the flying bananas list: we've been asked to update a list with the status of our assigned tasks.
Which btw is checked out to the boss, so we can't do it until he gets back to work and he's several hours behind.
But the WTFB item is, apparently there are several tasks assigned to me that nobody had told me about. Oh, and all of them are from a circus which is not included in my job title.


On another side, but same job, in the last two days I've had three emails from the current agent re. other jobs. I was generally unimpressed with them, but really? You guys don't even know who is already working for you?

Someone needs to come up with the concept of Administrative Quotient (AQ). The ability to track who works for you, know in what language should your employees/subcontractors/vendors be adressed, and so forth.

Macca26 10-22-2015 03:02 PM

I swear, recruiters see my resume and see I work at a sign shop and everything else just goes out the window. The only calls I get are for the position with the other crazy sign guy downstate, the one which I already turned down the offer for. More than a year later, he's still desperately searching for a designer for that position (looks like nobody was stupid enough to take it). But recruiters, please, I'm a designer. I can design anything print related. I'm not limited to signs only. It says right there on the resume all the different stuff I can do. My portfolio shows the scope. Call me about some other position! I contact you back, tell you about my skillset, have a nice conversation and poof! Never a word from you people again until the next agency comes along with ... "so there's this position for a senior sign designer in...."

Lightray 10-22-2015 03:44 PM

Cripes. Legal has "improved" the process for getting a contract approved since the last time I had to do one. Now, every legal contract - even an NDA, which I all I need - has to be approved by a VP. Who are only located in our Virginia offices.

I work in Illinois.

I've just been notified by the tracking software that the contract is ready to be signed - and I should print out two copies and take them immediately to the signing officer.

Well! Let me just hop on a plane and get going then. Seriously, there is no secretary in the legal department who could print out two copies of a contract, and instead a highly-paid engineer needs to finagle someone to do this?

Eureka 10-23-2015 04:30 PM

On Wednesday, they moved the baler.

On Thursday, it was functional again. And there was much rejoicing!

(I don't actually know how long it took for them to get the electrical set up for the baler in its new home. I just know that being without our baler for any length of time is seriously sucky. Especially when no one makes a bale at the other baler.)

Other gripe-- there were at least three other people in my department on Wednesday. Why did they all disappear when I needed them? (I was leaving, so I wanted to say "This is X, this is Y". Someone found and dealt with the stuff I left behind before I came in on Thursday, so it wasn't the end of the world, but still annoying).


Finally, Boss, I'm concerned about you because you are injured, and what it will mean for us if you need surgery and miss work. I don't care about having being lectured about proper lifting technique. Also, you being hurt makes me nervous about lifting stuff-- I don't want to be hurt.

Nava 10-26-2015 07:30 AM

Dear headhunters/recruiters/agents:

If you ask what is my experience in XYZ and I say "zero", and the profile you have actually distinguishes "required" from "desired" and XYZ is in the "required" part, I am not (repeat: nooooooooot) an appropriate candidate for the position. Even if it wasn't for the little detail that I'm about as interested in learning XYZ as in becoming a stripteasing funambulist.

Annie-Xmas 10-26-2015 09:20 AM

The good news is we got amazing new cash registers for the cashiers, just in time to learn them before the holiday rush!

The bad news is that there are five registers that are set for right hand use, and one for the left hand. So which one did they assign to the cashier with a disabled left hand?

I lasted an hour, then had to play the card I hate to play: I need another machine. The manager looked at me, thought about 1/2 of a second, and said "Oh. Because of your hand." I guess it's nice they don't think of me as "the cashier with the bad left hand."

sandra_nz 10-26-2015 09:35 AM

If I spend 20 minutes writing you a guide, then take you through an online meeting demonstrating how you do it...then I actually expect you to refer to the guide when you try to do it yourself.

Grrr!

Kimballkid 10-26-2015 10:30 AM

We had a power surge late on Friday afternoon that fried our credit/debit card machines. We then put up signs on the front door and on each till notating the fact that we cannot take credit/debit cards until the new machines arrive. So don't get pissy with me when I get your groceries all rung up and you try to pay with a card and I say we can't take it. We put those signs up for you, not for us. You could do us a solid and actually read the damn things.

As a funny aside, I had one guy that tried to pay with a card and I had to refuse (of course). So he went out to his vehicle to see if he had a check blank and found a hundred dollar bill in the glove box. :eek:

kbear 10-27-2015 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Annie-Xmas (Post 18805132)
The good news is we got amazing new cash registers for the cashiers, just in time to learn them before the holiday rush!

The bad news is that there are five registers that are set for right hand use, and one for the left hand. So which one did they assign to the cashier with a disabled left hand?

I lasted an hour, then had to play the card I hate to play: I need another machine. The manager looked at me, thought about 1/2 of a second, and said "Oh. Because of your hand." I guess it's nice they don't think of me as "the cashier with the bad left hand."

Aren't left handed people generally accustomed to using right handed machinery anyway? I was a bank teller in college and the right side numeric keypad left me no choice but to become proficient with my right hand. Between that and volleyball the only things I can still do with my left are eat and write!

Chimera 10-27-2015 11:53 AM

Ever had that discussion with your manager about issues, and you mention some of your personal issues outside of work that are impacting you and the manager just shakes their head 'no' the entire time and keeps trying to cut you off and steer you back to work?

From a Corporatist point of view (to which I don't subscribe), I understand the whole bullshit about "leave outside problems at the door", but seriously, do you know ANYONE who can completely pull that off? Me neither.

Oh, and sitting there glaring at me while shaking your head no only tells me that you don't actually give a fuck about me as a Human. That's the sort of thing I remember and take to heart.

Annie-Xmas 10-27-2015 12:20 PM

I pull that off every day. I do not want or need my employers and fellow employees in my personal business.

The rule is that cell phones can only be used in the break room, not in the store. Bullshit. If I need to make a call, I go outside. Not only do I not want them to hear, I also think it's damn rude to think they have to hear your personal conversations (and as a sore cashier who has had to listen to hundreds of customers on their phones, I think that subjecting others to your private conversations is just wrong.)

DrDeth 10-27-2015 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Roderick Femm (Post 18772505)
I'm a guy so I can say this: the differences between your Old Boss and New Boss sound to me a lot like the differences between male bosses in general vs. all the female bosses I ever had. The men were either good-ol'-boys who didn't know shit from shinola (I could actually work around them), or they were passive-aggressive assholes. The women were enlightened and intelligent, and were my best mentors.


We call this being a "sexist bigot".

Roderick Femm 10-27-2015 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DrDeth (Post 18808650)
We call this being a "sexist bigot".

Nice of you to carefully edit out the second paragraph, which carried my point to its conclusion (i.e. "this has been my experience") just so you can call names.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Roderick Femm
I realize it's a small sample, and my last female boss was actually a jerk, but she was only my boss for 6 months or so and didn't last long after I retired so I don't count her much. I'm sure there are good male bosses out there. I just never met one.


DrDeth 10-27-2015 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Roderick Femm (Post 18808968)
Nice of you to carefully edit out the second paragraph, which carried my point to its conclusion (i.e. "this has been my experience") just so you can call names.

Because drawing a conclusion without enough samples is indeed a mark of a bigot.

Jeep's Phoenix 10-27-2015 06:14 PM

Just found out today that one of our customer service reps for overseas locations was "given a severance package." This fellow was also fond of using his personal email account to conduct business...amazingly, he has been providing these emails to one of our on-site customer service reps, who is slowly making his way through them to clean up open orders. He came across one very urgent email from June...despite the nature of the message from this customer, former overseas rep guy didn't see fit to forward it to anyone. >.< This customer has now refused to open any new orders with us until the issues are resolved.

China Guy 10-27-2015 09:04 PM

Nothing like being shown the door after 13 years as part of a general layoff...with 48 hours before network and physical access is shut down.

canned mayhem 10-27-2015 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Eureka (Post 18786821)
To the people doing the construction work:

Go Away!

We're so over having remodels done in our space, and all they really did today was show up en masse with their plans and talk to each other about them and generally get in our way.

Well, that's all they did before noon. That's when I left.

(For the record, I went in at 4 am, that's how I got to go home at noon).

I'm in the commercial construction trade and this rant always seems to blow me away.

The remodeling crew didn't magically finish the job in minutes you say??? Well holy shit!!!!!

Watching office gimps vomit construction deadlines is always great for a fucking laugh.....Please explain how you could do it faster with your Wal-Mart screw driver and corded drill.....

canned mayhem 10-27-2015 09:53 PM

Sorry, my turn to vent.....

We did a walkthrough today on the Health First building we're remodeling. 95% of our work has been out of sight/mind of all the regular employees at this location. We eventually have to tap into the existing generators to finish the add-on that we were contracted to do. Anyways, the 12 dollar an hour scum continually gave us the stink eye today for impeding on their barely above minimum wage space.

I'm dealing with a 90 thousand dollar draw......your 20 bucks worth of inconvenience means less than nothing to me or anyone connected to me.

Deal with it........

SeaDragonTattoo 10-27-2015 10:44 PM

Ah, construction stuff. The sound of progress I say. It's always temporary. There's elevated train trackwork going on in my neighborhood right now. From 9pm to 4am. Why? Because it's the Purple Line and that line doesn't run at night, so why not do the work when no commuters will be impacted? Oh, the whining by neighbors on Everyblock! It's the end of their whole life! Yes, they use airhorns, they have to because while they're working on the north and south bound tracks for one train line, the other one, the Red Line, runs all night. So they're working on tracks that are immediately next to tracks that have trains running on them - electric trains - with a live third rail. No missteps allowed, they can't be surprised, and the only safest warning system for oncoming trains is air horns.

Suck it up, all you little buttercups. It's for 6 weeks and isn't every night. Jeez. Earplugs, white noise, you really can deal with it.

On to workplace... Sheesh, it's not worth explaining, but non-handy people should just admit defeat before trying, before they make it worse. Plus, when you make sure things can be handled electronically and then find out they're using paper forms instead because reasons. Not smart reasons, either. Gah!

SeaDragonTattoo 10-27-2015 10:58 PM

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Originally Posted by China Guy (Post 18810008)
Nothing like being shown the door after 13 years as part of a general layoff...with 48 hours before network and physical access is shut down.

Oh, damn. I'm so sorry to hear this!

Das Glasperlenspiel 10-28-2015 01:15 PM

Comparatively minor but definitely work-related:

My co-worker two cubicles over has spent the entire morning and is still on the phone with one hotel, making a reservation for ONE person, for two nights. She has no inside voice, is dumber than a bag of hammers and I have an online radio station on my headphones, playing Celtic music LOUDLY, and I can still freaking hear her. Please make her STFU. I could have made the reservation, negotiated the best rate and sent in the PO in less than 5 minutes.

Kill me now (before I climb over the partitions, rip the phone from her hands and strangle her with the cord).

Yllaria 10-28-2015 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by China Guy (Post 18810008)
Nothing like being shown the door after 13 years as part of a general layoff...with 48 hours before network and physical access is shut down.

I'll add another damn - just damn.

Das Glasperlenspiel 10-28-2015 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by China Guy (Post 18810008)
Nothing like being shown the door after 13 years as part of a general layoff...with 48 hours before network and physical access is shut down.

Understand your feelings completely - had that happen to me as well. It just plain sucks.:(

Hope things get better for you quickly.

Chimera 10-28-2015 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by canned mayhem (Post 18810120)
Anyways, the 12 dollar an hour scum continually gave us the stink eye today for impeding on their barely above minimum wage space.

I'm dealing with a 90 thousand dollar draw......your 20 bucks worth of inconvenience means less than nothing to me or anyone connected to me.

Deal with it........

Ah, what a sorry excuse for a human being you are. "12 an hour scum" and how you're so much more important. :rolleyes:

Roderick Femm 10-28-2015 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chimera (Post 18812572)
Ah, what a sorry excuse for a human being you are. "12 an hour scum" and how you're so much more important. :rolleyes:

His post seemed so over the top I assumed that it did not reflect his sincerely-held views.

DrDeth 10-28-2015 05:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chimera (Post 18812572)
Ah, what a sorry excuse for a human being you are. "12 an hour scum" and how you're so much more important. :rolleyes:

Yep. A real entitled douchebag.

kaylasdad99 10-29-2015 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Roderick Femm (Post 18812644)
His post seemed so over the top I assumed that it did not reflect his sincerely-held views.

And probably was not about an actual workplace situation. It was, however, completely in keeping with the persona he has decided to provide us with.

Yllaria 11-02-2015 03:17 PM

We're migrating between two email/calendar/document management systems. There have been hiccups.

Jeep's Phoenix 11-02-2015 06:48 PM

October 14th: "We had to take one assembly from stock, so you'll need to write a procedure for its replacement. And even though we can't use the undocumented assembly, we can store it if you want to in case the paperwork ever shows up."

October 22nd: "Yeah, go ahead and issue the paperwork to replace that one assembly for stock. We're still looking for the missing paperwork -- it probably just got filed in the wrong folder."

November 2nd: "What did you issue this ONE procedure to make ONE assembly for??? Don't you know we buy these IN BULK??? Why would we ever make just one??? Why did you issue this??? And SCRAP that other assembly that doesn't have its paperwork -- we don't need it!!!"

>.<


Bonus: I get to go on a scavenger hunt in the warehouse sometime this week because some samples for an assembly that was ordered well over a year ago appear to have gotten misplaced during the transition to a new inventory system. Joy. >.<

TheFaerie 11-05-2015 08:00 AM

Dear HP Help Desk People:

My stupid company has outsourced all of our help desk needs to you, and generally I get good results, but for the love of all that is holy why did you send my repair ticket on the plotter to some guy in the UK? All he can do is tell me to do what I've already done! I am not a plotter repair person, I am just a CADD jockey who took on the task of contacting the Help Desk when something goes wrong.

FFS send a technician to my location and fix my damn plotter!

Not So Very Cordially,
TheFaerie

j666 11-05-2015 09:45 PM

I have been after a few co-workers to do some simple tasks for months. Months, and I have the email chain to prove. Finally, in a sideways sort of way - because I work in the corporate offices were nothing involving escalation is simple - finally, I managed to get their boss to tell them to do it. One of them completed the task in ten minutes.

After months of my fruitlessly asking people just to do their damn jobs, one of them did it in ten minutes, clearly destroying any argument that there just wasn't enough time to get it done. I promptly ratted him out to his boss, in the nicest manner possible.

Boss did not get it. Boss did not grasp that if the task could be completed immediately, there was no reason for it to have taken months.

The kicker? The task takes half an hour.

He still did not do it, he just signed off on it.

Projammer 11-05-2015 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheFaerie (Post 18833833)
Dear HP Help Desk People:

My stupid company has outsourced all of our help desk needs to you, and generally I get good results, but for the love of all that is holy why did you send my repair ticket on the plotter to some guy in the UK? All he can do is tell me to do what I've already done! I am not a plotter repair person, I am just a CADD jockey who took on the task of contacting the Help Desk when something goes wrong.

FFS send a technician to my location and fix my damn plotter!

Not So Very Cordially,
TheFaerie

It's just a simple carriage drive belt replacement. We'll send you the belt and you can install it in an hour or so.

Here's a Youtube guide to walk you through it.

Just be careful if the old belt has begun to fray badly. It has a fiberglass core to prevent stretching and the glass stands can cause some painful cuts.

Nava 11-06-2015 05:38 AM

Antirant:

I only create one invoice per month, two tops. I always send them electronically, and I couldn't find one of my invoices for this year so I asked the client, my previous agent, if he could please send it back to me?

It took him something like two minutes and I think half of that was how long it took the letter to reach him. The new! Shiny! Improved! Reporting method they came up with on my last month with them was a pain in the ass, but this particular guy has been one of the most helpful agents I've worked with. I wish there were more like him.

TheFaerie 11-06-2015 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Projammer (Post 18836273)
It's just a simple carriage drive belt replacement. We'll send you the belt and you can install it in an hour or so.

Here's a Youtube guide to walk you through it.

Just be careful if the old belt has begun to fray badly. It has a fiberglass core to prevent stretching and the glass stands can cause some painful cuts.

:-D turned out to be a misaligned waste toner bottle sensor.

But in the process of helping the repair guy, I found out that someone walked off with my empty waste toner bottle. This floor of this building is the only one that has this model of plotter. It will not fit any other plotter in our entire system. The only thing I can think of is that someone saw it out and thought it was trash. Now I have to order a replacement. Bah. I hate plotters. They are the bane of my existence as a drafter.

China Guy 11-06-2015 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Das Glasperlenspiel (Post 18812350)
Understand your feelings completely - had that happen to me as well. It just plain sucks.:(

Hope things get better for you quickly.

Thanks all for the well wishes. I might have something lined up already with the partner I used to manage. :)

Inner Stickler 11-10-2015 03:18 PM

I remain slightly annoyed at the number of items on my daily to-do list that consist of bugging grown ass adults to get off their butts to send me necessary info for tasks they said were urgent and/or high priority.

Moonlitherial 11-10-2015 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Inner Stickler (Post 18848658)
I remain slightly annoyed at the number of items on my daily to-do list that consist of bugging grown ass adults to get off their butts to send me necessary info for tasks they said were urgent and/or high priority.

I am currently in the process of rewriting my resume (yay layoffs) and when discussing why I was having such an issue with writing it, I replied to a former coworker that most of the time is spent coming up with politically correct words to convey that I'm really good at getting grown assed adults to act like semi grown adults instead of the 4yr old tantrum throwers that they behave like when they're not watched.

Apparently that is "Facilitated smooth working relationships between groups" in resume speak.

SeaDragonTattoo 11-10-2015 06:09 PM

I've heard about so many changes in resume writing (like they're not always called that anymore?), I have no idea where to even start if I have to write one again. It's been something like 15 years since I've needed one. Hoping if I need to skip jobs I'll still not need one as I'll probably end up working for another place where people already know me. The veterinary/shelter community is small.

j666 11-10-2015 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonlitherial (Post 18848912)
I am currently in the process of rewriting my resume (yay layoffs) and when discussing why I was having such an issue with writing it, I replied to a former coworker that most of the time is spent coming up with politically correct words to convey that I'm really good at getting grown assed adults to act like semi grown adults instead of the 4yr old tantrum throwers that they behave like when they're not watched.

Apparently that is "Facilitated smooth working relationships between groups" in resume speak.

We should have a beer together, because I have given up on smooth working relationships. I will do my job, and cheerfully, but I just cannot deal with people who won't anymore.

2gigch1 11-10-2015 08:54 PM

Hi folks I often read this (and the earlier) thread but don't have anything to contribute. Until today...


So dear coworker, how long have you worked at the station? Thirty eight years? Oh yeah, you mention that every other sentence while you are bitching to me about being moved partially out of sports back into news.

The thing is under this management sports is less important, so with fewer stories to do they need you to shoot news. You still have your take home car, you still have your seniority, in fact you have everything you had, except you are shooting news three days a week instead of shooting sports all five.

What's that, the younger guy gets to shoot four days of sports still and you don't think that's fair? Hmm, last time I checked he actually knows his way around the modern newsroom a bit better (no actually a LOT better) than you, and he's not a whiny drama queen to boot. People like to work with him. Imagine that.

What's that you say? Thirty eight years? Well that means you have a lot of vacation and you get to pick close to first. It guarantees nothing else.

I'm sorry you didn't like my suggestion to just lay low and let it blow over. I'm really sorry you think you actually have a reason to be upset. Don't you remember a couple years ago they took away (other coworker's) car for no apparent reason other than they didn't like him? How did that work out? Yeah, he never got his car back, even though it really was unfair.

Keep bitchin buddy, it's gonna get interesting soon.

purplehorseshoe 11-10-2015 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moonlitherial (Post 18848912)
I am currently in the process of rewriting my resume (yay layoffs) and when discussing why I was having such an issue with writing it, I replied to a former coworker that most of the time is spent coming up with politically correct words to convey that I'm really good at getting grown assed adults to act like semi grown adults instead of the 4yr old tantrum throwers that they behave like when they're not watched.

Apparently that is "Facilitated smooth working relationships between groups" in resume speak.

The right office manager would hire you based on that skill alone. I work with so many drunken monkeys I'm surprised there aren't actual feces being flung anywhere.


I have recurring characters from the other thread to bring back! Yay ...

I've been "given" ownership of a task that's a bit higher-tech than what I was hired for but completes the final 5% of the setup process for the product I (unofficially) manage, which is great since that takes out the delay where I re-assign setup X to the guy who used to do it, wait for him to notice that it's in his queue among the dozens of other things he does, complete that portion, re-assign back to me etc. etc.

Except that the guy who used to do it is Lazy Bastard, and I still work under Useless Manager, so it went ... per the usual. Useless Manager left me off the email thread wherein she re-shuffled some task assignments, so I didn't even know she's dumped this into my lap in the first place until I started protesting all these tickets in my queue asking for unfamiliar status updates. "Oh, you handle those now." Say what?

Having endured his "training sessions" before, I can attest that Lazy Bastard couldn't effectively train a butterfly to flap its wings, so I'm slogging half-blind through this unfamiliar task ... and realize he hasn't touched this shit in a solid six weeks at least. :mad: While it was very solidly his responsibility. I went to Useless Manager about this but she completely blew off that it was any big thang ("Well, just work through those tickets as best as you can. Tee-hee!") so now I'm untangling his messes and placating pissed-off branch employees while he smirks and I seethe that he got away with it.


Oh, and I have a call with a recruiter tomorrow about a job I'm quite interested in pursuing -- it sounds so much like the "good" parts of my job but with more accountability and authority -- so I'll just let Useless Manager keep shoveling more crap onto my plate, because as satisfying as it's gonna be to drop the mike and walk out, dropping six or seven mikes will be GREAT!

Eureka 11-11-2015 12:47 PM

I'll admit upfront that everything in the post is minor and petty, but it all adds up.

I was sleeping really hard when my alarm went off this morning (at 2:45 am). So I was a little tired and grumpy when I left the house.

It was COLD out-- temps have been warm enough to make a fleece jacket plenty, so I didn't think about warmer clothes or a hat or gloves.

It was also Foggy.

And then I discovered that the stuff on my windows was Frost (and not just moisture).

Not happy.

It scraped off pretty good, I drove to work, and then couldn't get into the building (I work retail--the store is closed overnight, but there's almost always someone inside). It was too cold to wait as long as it took to get someone's attention. But I wasn't actually late by the timeclock.

I then went and collected my pile of price tags for the day, and there were TOO MANY.

TOO MANY means that I did not finish hanging the whole pile by the end of my shift.

I hung all the important ones, though.

I was also irked by the late discovery that I could have worn red, white and blue rather than my uniform today ( I wish they'd publicize these things better, and more consistently, and further in advance. And not have "fun" days quite so often).

And . . . well, it wasn't a horrible day, really, just irksome in a bunch of minor ways.

curlcoat 11-11-2015 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Eureka (Post 18851088)
I'll admit upfront that everything in the post is minor and petty, but it all adds up.

I was sleeping really hard when my alarm went off this morning (at 2:45 am). So I was a little tired and grumpy when I left the house.

It was COLD out-- temps have been warm enough to make a fleece jacket plenty, so I didn't think about warmer clothes or a hat or gloves.

It was also Foggy.

And then I discovered that the stuff on my windows was Frost (and not just moisture).

Aren't you in Sacramento??

Projammer 11-11-2015 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 2gigch1 (Post 18849405)
Keep bitchin buddy, it's gonna get interesting soon.

I used to work with a Mr McBitchy who always justified himself by saying that the squeaky wheel get's the grease. He didn't appreciate me pointing out that the squeaky wheel is also the first one replaced.

I only experienced a little gratification when he squeaked one too many times.

j666 11-11-2015 09:49 PM

I have to escalate an issue tomorrow. I hate escalating issues.

But I have done all I can. My coworker was given a documented deadline of today to do something, and did not do it.

I have tried getting my boss support on this (insanely minor) issue, with no success; I have to escalate to Grand Boss, essentially ratting out my Boss for not ensuring someone else's report did something that no-one really cares about anyhow - even me - but we are procedurally required to have done.

And people will be annoyed at me, even though I did not write the procedure, I have done all that I am allowed to do, and I have been pushing to get this issue resolved for months.

Boggette 11-12-2015 11:41 AM

This is a bullet point on my resume.

"Interact with Development, QA, Customer Service, Professional Services, Marketing, and various other departments in an aggressive, politically charged, time-sensitive environment."

I always joke with people who are writing resumes that it's all in the phrasing. If you wipe your boss' bum every morning after his coffee kicks in, you can write, "Assisted boss with all essential daily functions." :)

Hey Hey Paula 11-12-2015 09:38 PM

Well, they did it. Two weeks ago I was called into the HR lady's office and was told that I am now assigned to Demanding Partner - the one I told them I would walk out if they assigned me to. Yeah, that one. I knew he wasn't happy with his current secretary because (among other things) her grammar sucked, and I knew he liked me (grammar is my superpower).

I did not walk out though I was tempted to those first few days. I just reminded myself that the reason I'm working there is one, the excellent health insurance, and two, my salary means we don't have to budget and I can spend money on fun things.

Demanding Partner is happier than I've seen him in ages. Working for him is a pain, but I have the advantage of knowing him well and not being afraid to use my "bitch voice" on him. He's actually doing what I tell him to do (well some of the time at least).

There will be a discussion with HR (after the holidays) about a raise, and certain other conditions I'd like met. And my bonus this year better be huge!

But the worst part of this whole thing, is I had to switch desks with his old secretary, and she got my nice, easy to work for attorney as well as my desk. Then I have to listen to her bitch about how much she hates her new desk, i.e. my old desk that I loved! So unfair.

kaylasdad99 11-12-2015 10:57 PM

It's furniture. It can't be moved?

Senegoid 11-13-2015 04:04 AM

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Originally Posted by kaylasdad99 (Post 18855437)
It's furniture. It can't be moved?

The micromanagers in the upper offices tend to have shit-fits when employees do shit like that.

I once worked in a brand new building at UC Berkeley. The offices on our floor had several chairs each, upholstered in brightly colored naugahyde. The offices had chairs of various colors -- red, blue, orange, yellow -- but all the chairs in any one office were all the same colors.

So I and other employees swapped our chairs around, so each of our offices had chairs of several different colors. Shit-fit from micromanagers in upper offices ensued.

JcWoman 11-13-2015 11:17 AM

This is long, and I apologize in advance, but it needs a little explanation. I'll try to be concise.

My company is essentially a data warehouse for a very specific, global industry. We have browser-based software that lets customers enter their data into our databases. We in turn, have automated processes that distribute that data to everybody in the industry. We also have a large set of online documentation that explains how to process the data. Since it's a global industry (read: everybody in competition) the documentation is critical to ensure that everybody's data is processed the same way for a level playing field on the market.

For unknown management-think reasons, last January we got reorganized from subject matter experts for an entire product end to end (collection and distribution) to most of us working on the collection side of things, and a few of us working on the distribution side of things. (I'm on the small distribution team.) When this reorg happened it sounded to me like the collection people would design solutions/enhancements to our software, I'd listen in on meetings so that I would know how to update the distribution documentation, and then when the proposed solutions were finalized, I would do my changes and run them through our usual documentation reviews and then publish the docs.

The collection people immediately adopted the attitude that all they needed to do was design the UI. In their opinions (many of them have told us this to our faces) it's up to the distro team to do all the advance legwork on all projects, design and document the solutions, update the distribution documentation, and when we're done with that, then they'll write the requirements that tells where on the screen the new fields go and if/how they should be validated.

I am not sure if I'm selfishly peeved because my job turned out to be much bigger than I first though, or if I have a legitimate beef that I'm doing the majority of the work now. The way my boss and I see it, projects should be run as a team, where both the collection and distribution people do the advance legwork and solution design. But so far they just seem to be saying "hey, you own this project, let me know when you're done so I can do my screens".

digs 11-13-2015 05:49 PM

Hey, I guess this job is a lot less toxic than my old job if all I can really complain about is a close-and-non-stop-talker.

I have an office mate who listens for me to approach my office. Honestly, as I get close I can hear her close her laptop, straighten up her papers, push her chair back and Get Ready For Some Serious Chat-Time!

She must think we're going to be dishing for quite a while so she wants to get everything organized and put away first. Then, as I'm in my doorway but haven't even approached my desk yet (let alone had time to sit down), she muscles into my office (literally! I haven't cleared the doorway yet, so it's tight with her suddenly there too), and asks a pithy question like "Soooo?"

And she asks this from a foot away. I started out responding politely, but that was a major time-sucker. Then I found that if I asked her "Sooooo, what?" she'd clarify with "Sooooo, what's going onnnnn?" But now I often reply "Really busy. No time to chat. 'Scuse me, gotta respond to an emergency right away."
Her immediate response (that she starts in with before my sentence has finished): "I know what you mean! I have soooo much to do thatIthinkI'mgettinghivesfromthestressormaybeit'sfrommykidsisthatathing?!"

I've also started saying "And, remember? I need some personal space here...." as I retreat.

I'm just venting here, because I hit on the perfect solution that deals with the immediate, non-stop chitchat, the annoyance factor, and the space issues.

I just stay away from my office.

Seriously. I've been in my office once in the last three weeks. And that was when I'd seen her somewhere else.

I'm getting so much more done! I'm carrying my bike bag with everything I need in it, and if someone's got an issue, I commandeer a table or desk nearby and get their problem taken care of on the spot.

And so's not to be too much of a jerk, I'm chatting with my officemate! But doing so when I have time to, when we're eating lunch or something.

Sooooo, anybody want to rent some space? It's got a window and a Mac Cube and a Boba Fett Pez dispenser. There's just one little drawback...

j666 11-13-2015 06:03 PM

So ... they get paid much less, right?

EMCEE_98 11-13-2015 07:54 PM

To the members of management at my workplace: you are all fucking idiots. No one respects you. Even the eternal kiss - asses look pained as they begrudgingly prostrate themselves before you. In my field, I've known so many grubby little wormy managers. They can't compare to the trifecta of idiocy you constantly display. The moronic puppet master and her two insipid puppet lackeys: the most unnecessarily top-heavy organization I've ever had the displeasure of working under. You always talk about "following the chain of command." Perhaps we could do that if any of your leadership skills amounted to anything more than a wet fart. The equivalent of listening to your commands would be following the genocidal rantings of an evil dictator. Fuck ya'll. There's a special place in hell for the three of you.

By the way, if you fucktards wanna retain employees, you may want to quit screwing with everyone's paid time off. We need breaks from your Hitler, Goebbels, and Georing asses.

Eureka 11-13-2015 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by curlcoat (Post 18851266)
Aren't you in Sacramento??

No, not in Sacramento. Am somewhere in the middle of the country. Not north, nor south, not east nor west. Frost on windshields in November isn't odd, it's just annoying, especially the first time it happens in awhile, and when one wasn't expecting it.

Hey Hey Paula 11-13-2015 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by kaylasdad99 (Post 18855437)
It's furniture. It can't be moved?

I should have been more clear. The desks are identical, the locations, directions they face, and amount of extra real estate (tables and such) are not. I had a lot more space and a more open feel at my old location. She does not like the openness at all.

tarrel 11-13-2015 08:59 PM

sick of this woman at my job asking me every damm day what I am having for lunch:mad:

tarrel 11-13-2015 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Das Glasperlenspiel (Post 18811932)
Comparatively minor but definitely work-related:

My co-worker two cubicles over has spent the entire morning and is still on the phone with one hotel, making a reservation for ONE person, for two nights. She has no inside voice, is dumber than a bag of hammers and I have an online radio station on my headphones, playing Celtic music LOUDLY, and I can still freaking hear her. Please make her STFU. I could have made the reservation, negotiated the best rate and sent in the PO in less than 5 minutes.

Kill me now (before I climb over the partitions, rip the phone from her hands and strangle her with the cord).

I had a coworker like that 2 years ago, instead of having ear plugs in her ear she played songs out loud all day. Sometimes it was the same song

Morgyn 11-14-2015 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by tarrel (Post 18857936)
sick of this woman at my job asking me every damm day what I am having for lunch:mad:

"You."

digs 11-14-2015 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by tarrel (Post 18857936)
sick of this woman at my job asking me every damm day what I am having for lunch:mad:

Well, you could start in on a long, overly-colorful rendition of the gourmet entrée you're planning on nibbling:

"Thank you for asking... no one else ever does, you know. Wellll, today I'm having Viande de Grison, an intriguing-yet-obvious cured wildebeest filet, solar-kiln-dried somewhere in Quebec, laid on a demi-baguette of half-white bread-half-whole grain-spelt toast, but here's where it gets fascinating, because that's overlaid with Valbrie aux Poivre, a piquant semi-turgid brie-esque spread from young Provençal cows, rolled in Romany emerald peppercorns. You know the ones, grown by a convent in the Viogniere Valley and hand-cracked by nubile novitiates? Mmm, lovely. The pepper, too. Over that is laid a turf of Arugula, Pink Russian Kale, Curly Endive (as well as the Moe and Larry varietals), Broadleaf Paris Island Romaine and French's Mustard Greens. All complemented by a squirt of Chef Anatole's hand-beaten salmon-ejaculate aoli (Have you tasted any of Anatole's creations? You simply must trot round to Totley Towers, Totley-on-the-Wold, and try his signature Tittering Totem tarts). Now, I'm thinking I should pair this with a pithy-qua-insoucient zin/beaujolais blend from the early twenty-teens. I'm looking for just the right balance between weathered leather aromas and tropical notes of palm leaf and guava, with perhaps just a hint of vintage kindergarten paste. And then... three to five Milk Duds."

No need for her to know you brought PB&J again.

tarrel 11-14-2015 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by digs (Post 18859605)
Well, you could start in on a long, overly-colorful rendition of the gourmet entrée you're planning on nibbling:

"Thank you for asking... no one else ever does, you know. Wellll, today I'm having Viande de Grison, an intriguing-yet-obvious cured wildebeest filet, solar-kiln-dried somewhere in Quebec, laid on a demi-baguette of half-white bread-half-whole grain-spelt toast, but here's where it gets fascinating, because that's overlaid with Valbrie aux Poivre, a piquant semi-turgid brie-esque spread from young Provençal cows, rolled in Romany emerald peppercorns. You know the ones, grown by a convent in the Viogniere Valley and hand-cracked by nubile novitiates? Mmm, lovely. The pepper, too. Over that is laid a turf of Arugula, Pink Russian Kale, Curly Endive (as well as the Moe and Larry varietals), Broadleaf Paris Island Romaine and French's Mustard Greens. All complemented by a squirt of Chef Anatole's hand-beaten salmon-ejaculate aoli (Have you tasted any of Anatole's creations? You simply must trot round to Totley Towers, Totley-on-the-Wold, and try his signature Tittering Totem tarts). Now, I'm thinking I should pair this with a pithy-qua-insoucient zin/beaujolais blend from the early twenty-teens. I'm looking for just the right balance between weathered leather aromas and tropical notes of palm leaf and guava, with perhaps just a hint of vintage kindergarten paste. And then... three to five Milk Duds."

No need for her to know you brought PB&J again.


She probably wouldn't ask again after I said that. lol

digs 11-14-2015 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by tarrel (Post 18859951)
She probably wouldn't ask again after I said that. lol

So borrow that description, and you'll never have to come up with a second one!

MagicEyes 11-15-2015 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by digs (Post 18857531)
Hey, I guess this job is a lot less toxic than my old job if all I can really complain about is a close-and-non-stop-talker.

I have an office mate who listens for me to approach my office. Honestly, as I get close I can hear her close her laptop, straighten up her papers, push her chair back and Get Ready For Some Serious Chat-Time!

She must think we're going to be dishing for quite a while so she wants to get everything organized and put away first. Then, as I'm in my doorway but haven't even approached my desk yet (let alone had time to sit down), she muscles into my office (literally! I haven't cleared the doorway yet, so it's tight with her suddenly there too), and asks a pithy question like "Soooo?"

And she asks this from a foot away. I started out responding politely, but that was a major time-sucker. Then I found that if I asked her "Sooooo, what?" she'd clarify with "Sooooo, what's going onnnnn?" But now I often reply "Really busy. No time to chat. 'Scuse me, gotta respond to an emergency right away."
Her immediate response (that she starts in with before my sentence has finished): "I know what you mean! I have soooo much to do thatIthinkI'mgettinghivesfromthestressormaybeit'sfrommykidsisthatathing?!"

I've also started saying "And, remember? I need some personal space here...." as I retreat.

I'm just venting here, because I hit on the perfect solution that deals with the immediate, non-stop chitchat, the annoyance factor, and the space issues.

I just stay away from my office.

Seriously. I've been in my office once in the last three weeks. And that was when I'd seen her somewhere else.

I'm getting so much more done! I'm carrying my bike bag with everything I need in it, and if someone's got an issue, I commandeer a table or desk nearby and get their problem taken care of on the spot.

And so's not to be too much of a jerk, I'm chatting with my officemate! But doing so when I have time to, when we're eating lunch or something.

Sooooo, anybody want to rent some space? It's got a window and a Mac Cube and a Boba Fett Pez dispenser. There's just one little drawback...

We have an Office Talker, but fortunately I don't share an office with her. She is in the office right next to mine. Lucky me. Meet my Annoying Coworker...when she comes into the office in the morning, she's not actually in her office for at least an hour. She goes down the hall and plops herself down in another coworkers office, and talks and talks and talks. She doesn't do it so much with me, probably because I'm not very chatty with her. Because I have work to do. :rolleyes: The coworker she does this to the most is very busy, and I know for sure she doesn't have the time to sit there and talk, but she's probably too nice to say anything. Another coworker just told me that she doesn't like it, which I didn't know because I thought she liked talking to Annoying Coworker.

We had a weekly project that used to be done late on Friday (we work regular office hours, so we're done at 5).There was one part that my supervisor had to do, and then I could finish it and send it off. So every week without fail, Annoying Coworker would go plop herself down in my supervisor's office and yack for an hour, and my supervisor would expect me to stay late ON FRIDAY so I could finish. Oh hell no. I started going in to my supervisor's office while she was talking to AC and asking her about the bit that needed to be done. She finally did start getting it done in time, but still. Very rude and disrespectful.

I will be back soon, with a tale of the Project From Hell.

kaylasdad99 11-16-2015 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by digs (Post 18859605)
"Thank you for asking... no one else ever does, you know. Wellll, today I'm having Viande de Grison, an intriguing-yet-obvious cured wildebeest filet, solar-kiln-dried somewhere in Quebec, laid on a demi-baguette of half-white bread-half-whole grain-spelt toast, but here's where it gets fascinating, because that's overlaid with Valbrie aux Poivre, a piquant semi-turgid brie-esque spread from young Provençal cows, rolled in Romany emerald peppercorns. You know the ones, grown by a convent in the Viogniere Valley and hand-cracked by nubile novitiates? Mmm, lovely. The pepper, too. Over that is laid a turf of Arugula, Pink Russian Kale, Curly Endive (as well as the Moe and Larry varietals), Broadleaf Paris Island Romaine and French's Mustard Greens. All complemented by a squirt of Chef Anatole's hand-beaten salmon-ejaculate aoli (Have you tasted any of Anatole's creations? You simply must trot round to Totley Towers, Totley-on-the-Wold, and try his signature Tittering Totem tarts). Now, I'm thinking I should pair this with a pithy-qua-insoucient zin/beaujolais blend from the early twenty-teens. I'm looking for just the right balance between weathered leather aromas and tropical notes of palm leaf and guava, with perhaps just a hint of vintage kindergarten paste. And then... three to five Milk Duds."

May I steal that, please?

SeaDragonTattoo 11-16-2015 02:23 PM

"Is there more copy paper on the way? We ran out on Sunday."

Yeah, sure, since I'm psychic and shit. Since I told you I'm happy to order your paper but you have to tell me when you're on the last case. Maybe you shouldn't wait until the big printer is out of the four reams it holds, to figure out more should be ordered? Or maybe, hey maybe, you could even USE THE STAPLES LOGIN I GAVE YOU and, I dunno, ORDER IT YOURSELF. Like I showed you.

We had one salaried person leave that department, and three waged people replaced her. They can't get any shit together between them. Inventory. It's a thing.

Seanette 11-16-2015 05:44 PM

Attention, Monday: bite me.

It was bad enough going to work on something like three hours of sleep, with school also on the agenda tonight. I did NOT need to have multiple problems/dramas in a few minutes' time.

To the various parties:

S, lose the 'tude, bitch. NOW. Refusing instructions from leads because you will only listen to a supervisor is NOT accepted behavior where we work. Oh, and please do find a working gear that involves actual motion.

M, you might want to think about some sort of meds, guy. Really. Riding your mood coaster is rough on the rest of us, too. Yes, we get jerk customers. It's the nature of retail. The matter got handled, grandboss assured me she's fine with our side of it, quit agonizing about how boss will feel about it tomorrow (he had the day off today). If grandboss is OK with the situation, boss probably won't say a word about it, and he's not someone who will fail to communicate if he thinks we have an issue to work out. Yes, I know losing your phone is a bad thing, but whimpering so hard about it was a pain for all. And please stop slamming your hands between hard objects. You may be a trial to our patience, but none of us really WANT you to be harmed.

Oh, and jerk customer who decided that being part of a group that were ALL being asked to let us park the [bleep] carts before you swarm like hungry piranhas was some horrible act of discrimination against you worthy of huge public tantrum that had other customers complaining to managers about YOU, [bleep] off. We could do without your pushiness, your attitude, your grabbiness (including the time you helped yourself to an item out of another customer's cart), and your odor. It really wouldn't kill you to bathe and do laundry more often than once a week (if we're lucky).

psychobunny 11-16-2015 08:24 PM

To my employee:
I didn't say anything when you decided it was OK to randomly take off for 15-20 minutes at a time to pump milk-I understand that you can't always plan the exact time.
I arranged to have another employee cover you although it meant she sometimes works into her lunch hour so I end up paying her overtime for the coverage. It also means she can't go out for lunch since she never knows when you might decide to pop off for awhile without notice and I need somebody working.
But where do you get off putting in your timesheet and indicating that you didn't have a lunch break and wanting to be paid overtime for working 9 hours straight??
You are taking at least an hour's worth of breaks daily and I will gratefully grant you the time you need but I am NOT paying you overtime wages to sit in a room and pump milk while everybody else covers for you. By all means, take the time you need but don't include it on timesheet as working hours.

Senegoid 11-16-2015 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by psychobunny (Post 18865246)
You are taking at least an hour's worth of breaks daily and I will gratefully grant you the time you need but I am NOT paying you overtime wages to sit in a room and pump milk while everybody else covers for you. By all means, take the time you need but don't include it on timesheet as working hours.

Strictly speaking, what is the law on that these days? Are employers expected or required to allow pumping-breaks, and are employers expected or required to allow the same on company time? Our culture, expectations, and laws are rapidly evolving on all kinds of issues like this, and it's hard to keep up.

psychobunny 11-17-2015 01:19 AM

Relevant law:

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Employers are not required under the FLSA to compensate nursing mothers for breaks taken for the purpose of expressing milk. However, where employers already provide compensated breaks, an employee who uses that break time to express milk must be compensated in the same way that other employees are compensated for break time. In addition, the FLSA’s general requirement that the employee must be completely relieved from duty or else the time must be compensated as work time applies.
Relevant State Law:

Quote:

Va. House Joint Resolution 145 (2002) encourages employers to recognize the benefits of breastfeeding and to provide unpaid break time and appropriate space for employees to breastfeed or express milk.

Catamount 11-20-2015 07:31 AM

They started playing Christmas music at my work today. Within two minutes we had our first complaint about playing Christmas music before Thanksgiving.

The music is still on.

If I make it until January without going on a Christmas-music inspired choking spree, it will be a true holiday miracle.

StarvingButStrong 11-20-2015 08:17 AM

Poor Catamount! I truly feel for you.

Maybe you can get your doctor to say continual exposure to Christmas Carols for longer than two weeks is injurious to your mental health. Then you could get paid time off, or something.

Or at least have them buy you noise-canceling headphones. ;)

Kimballkid 11-20-2015 09:35 AM

What if the noise-cancelling headphones like Christmas music?

Rysto 11-20-2015 12:46 PM

Oh god help me, I have to sit through 3 hours of videos telling me not to discriminate based on race, colour, sexual orientation, creed, national origin, gender (including pregnancy status) or disability, and other riveting topics.

digs 11-20-2015 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rysto (Post 18876134)
Oh god help me, I have to sit through 3 hours of videos telling me not to discriminate based on race, colour, sexual orientation, creed, national origin, gender (including pregnancy status) or disability, and other riveting topics.

In 25 years of teaching, I can't t tell you how many hour-long videos I've had to watch with overly thorough quizzes afterwards. But some new tech they're using means I figured out how to finally bypass the video and cut straight to the quiz. Been acing those using a little thing they never anticipated called Common Sense...

"In the video, a student 'George' revealed to the class that his family was relocated via the Trail Of Tears. Should the teacher 'Biff' have attempted to bond by mentioning that his family has always been Washington Redskins fans? A) Yes B) No C) Yes, with reservations D) All of the above E) One of the above"

SeaDragonTattoo 11-20-2015 03:07 PM

Equipment problems at work. Why? Because no one has oiled the parts before each use, like I showed them. Now the parts are failing, to the tune of $540 to start, plus whatever service calls for in-house repairs plus wait time for repairs on parts that have to be sent out. Nice work, dipshits.

Catamount 11-20-2015 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by StarvingButStrong (Post 18875306)
Poor Catamount! I truly feel for you.

Maybe you can get your doctor to say continual exposure to Christmas Carols for longer than two weeks is injurious to your mental health. Then you could get paid time off, or something.

Or at least have them buy you noise-canceling headphones. ;)

Me and my co-worker bitched about it all day until someone switched it to the instrumental Christmas station that's marginally tolerable. At least this way I don't have to listen to "Feliz Navidad."

tarrel 11-20-2015 08:29 PM

My job decided to have a pollyanna and I don't like it

The Vorlon 11-20-2015 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Catamount (Post 18876936)
Me and my co-worker bitched about it all day until someone switched it to the instrumental Christmas station that's marginally tolerable. At least this way I don't have to listen to "Feliz Navidad."


Feliz Navidad would be ok. Katy Perry sounding like she was sucking on a oxy tank gasping Xmas tunes? Kill Me Now.

Nava 11-21-2015 01:24 AM

I am having a language issue.

My current agency recently implemented a New! Shiny! Reporting tool. There were some issues setting me up with my usual email, nava @ myemail . com so I eventually provided a second one, myotheremail @ myemail . com and asked if they could use this other one. They said no.

Last week they emailed me saying "we have reset your account and sent the new link to this email". This went to the nava email so, idiot that I apparently am, I expected to get the email with the link in the nava email.

Nope. They sent it to the alternate email, the one they had previously deemed unacceptable, the one that was not "this email".

Am I wrong in thinking that if someone emails me at nava @ myemail . com and says "this email", it would be to be expected that they are talking about nava @ myemail . com? Would it count as cruelty to morons if I search for the Sesame Street episode where they explained Thiiiiiis and Thaaaaat and send them the link? I'm reasonably sure there has to be at least one show explaining that concept.



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Originally Posted by digs (Post 18876335)
"In the video, a student 'George' revealed to the class that his family was relocated via the Trail Of Tears. Should the teacher 'Biff' have attempted to bond by mentioning that his family has always been Washington Redskins fans? A) Yes B) No C) Yes, with reservations D) All of the above E) One of the above"

C, evidently!

Catamount 11-21-2015 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by The Vorlon (Post 18877487)
Feliz Navidad would be ok.

I must shun you now.

The Vorlon 11-21-2015 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Catamount (Post 18877721)
I must shun you now.

Once a day? Ok.

Twice a hour? Ready the Wave Motion Gun...

Flutterby 11-21-2015 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Catamount (Post 18876936)
Me and my co-worker bitched about it all day until someone switched it to the instrumental Christmas station that's marginally tolerable. At least this way I don't have to listen to "Feliz Navidad."

I have a collection of interesting Christmas music from the time I worked retail. Lots of parodies, punk collections, Solstice collections. Stuff you wouldn't usually hear in the store.

We had two tapes, with about 10 songs each. We often 'forgot' to flip them..

monstro 11-21-2015 09:16 AM

Coworker:

Can you wait until I at least take my coat off before bombarding me with questions in the morning? You know how you get in extra early so you don't have to deal with folks before your caffeine kicks in? Well, I wish you'd extend me the same courtesy. Your questions are not that urgent that they can't wait ten minutes.

By the way, your questions are the kind of stuff you could just shoot me in an email. Email is great because you're not putting me on the damn spot. I can think about what I say before I say it. Also, a big advantage of email is that you have my responses in writing. You wouldn't have to keep asking me the SAME FUCKING QUESTION because you keep forgetting what I said.

I would tell you this but I don't think you can handle negative feedback. Why do I say this? Because even though you're old enough to be my mother, every time you come into my office, your face is all twisted up like you're terrified to talk to me. I can only guess it's because you sense I'm irritated. But I swear I wouldn't be if you'd just wait ten minutes or so for me to get settled at my desk. Every time I hear you knock on my door before I've had a chance to put down my bag, I have to force myself not to scream "GO AWAY!" I hate feeling so pissed off in the morning.

Filbert 11-21-2015 03:21 PM

Boss? If I ask to not be scheduled on Monday after 7pm when possible, because I go to a club on Monday evenings, I assumed that you'd, I dunno, get the idea that I want to not just be off, but awake on Monday evenings.

Telling me that's fine, not a problem at all, then scheduling me in for a freaking 5 am shift Monday and Tuesday three weeks in a row isn't actually what I had in mind...

kaylasdad99 11-21-2015 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by monstro (Post 18877974)
Coworker:

Can you wait until I at least take my coat off before bombarding me with questions in the morning? You know how you get in extra early so you don't have to deal with folks before your caffeine kicks in? Well, I wish you'd extend me the same courtesy. Your questions are not that urgent that they can't wait ten minutes.

By the way, your questions are the kind of stuff you could just shoot me in an email. Email is great because you're not putting me on the damn spot. I can think about what I say before I say it. Also, a big advantage of email is that you have my responses in writing. You wouldn't have to keep asking me the SAME FUCKING QUESTION because you keep forgetting what I said.

I would tell you this but I don't think you can handle negative feedback. Why do I say this? Because even though you're old enough to be my mother, every time you come into my office, your face is all twisted up like you're terrified to talk to me. I can only guess it's because you sense I'm irritated. But I swear I wouldn't be if you'd just wait ten minutes or so for me to get settled at my desk. Every time I hear you knock on my door before I've had a chance to put down my bag, I have to force myself not to scream "GO AWAY!" I hate feeling so pissed off in the morning.

Send HER an email every morning; one that will take her ten minutes to get through. As soon as you arrive, ask her to deal with it before she bugs you for anything.

elfkin477 11-21-2015 10:53 PM

I'm trying not to quit my job.

A couple of weeks ago was my 4th anniversary working here, and in that time we've tripled our number of contracts. Like cancer, the center keeps growing uncontrollably because the director enjoys setting up new programs without regard to how much work that creates. Well, she probably likes the money too; I know our specific annual budget now rivals the whole institute we're part of's general operating budget.

The insanity of trying to juggle everything just gets worse with each new program. This all got too much for my boss, my favorite boss ever, and she quit without warning in July, and left the first week of August. Being pretty self-sufficient, I had only minimal supervision from my grandboss while they looked for a replacement. In October her replacement finally started. I read all sorts of people talking about how their favorite boss left and their next boss was their next favorite boss. Lucky bastards.

I cannot stand my new boss. For the first several weeks she kept asking endless repetitive questions, since my grandboss isn't interested in supervising her either, it has basically fallen to one coworker and I to teach her how to do her job. And because she constantly interrupted us, neither of us could get our actual work done. There have been days where I've literally tried to find things to do out around her dozens of e-mails and IM'ng me every 30 minutes. I wish this was her only fault, but she's constantly condescending and dismissive people's opinions, which is super awesome since she still has no idea what the hell we do.

If it was just he being a pain in the ass I could probably deal, but the fact that we keep adding program after program means that the workload keeps increasing, and no one gets hired. We have a large budget but the director expects the same people to just keep spreading themselves thinner and thinner.

New boss is not helping, and when she complained on TH that I hadn't managed to do the 101th thing that shouldn't even be my responsibility for her, I told her that with a new website (on drupal which I'm still learning how to work with - and she keeps scheduling meetings when I've put time aside to work on it, then bitches I haven't spent enough time on it!) and launch of a big online course both happening on November 30th there isn't enough time to get everything done. I also told her that I have serious concerns about not knowing enough about drupal yet to begin managing it on 12-1 because people keep dropping other things in my lap. She said she understood...

...and then yesterday asked my "opinion" about whether we could fulfill a new program's request to create a course just for them before Thanksgiving is realistic. I said no, of course, and that the 10th or 11th is more realistic. Her response was to suggest we meet to determine a better timeline. Look, you twit, of the four people you want to meet, I'm the only one who can actually build the course out, do you think you think meeting is going to magically make more time in the work week?? Why the hell did she bother asking my thoughts when she was going to ignore what I suggested as a realistic projection?

Since they have no apparent interest in hiring anyone, and they just keep adding things, there is no end in sight of having way more work to do than time to do it, which is horrible - I am so sick of feeling like I'm getting nothing accomplished and that I don't have time to give everything the attention it deserves. And idiot boss will be going on maternity leave in early December, and of course they expect that coworker and I to cover for her rather than hiring a temp, so it's only going to get worse on that front even if we don't have to deal with her constant questions for 12 weeks.

So... I'm sorry this is longish, but I'm really trying to find reasons not to say fuck it and quit, or give an ultimatum that they ever hire someone to do part of my job (and other worked to death coworker's job) or they can hire someone to do all of mine. I haven't bought a new house yet, and I've got over a year's worth of take home pay in the bank so it's really tempting to tell them to go fuck themselves and let them try to find someone else who can do all the things I do for them from being the LMS admin for the courses and editing lecture videos and all the other stuff that other people refuse to learn how to do. Even if I left without finding a new job first, I'm positive I'd find a new job faster than they could fill mine.

We are required to take the last several days of December and the first few of January off, and I'm tempted to begin looking for a new job. This sucks because I used to like this job, and might again if they'd just hire a few people. (and, you know, if new boss says screw it and stays how with the new baby permanently). Sigh.

DrDeth 11-21-2015 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by elfkin477 (Post 18879381)

We are required to take the last several days of December and the first few of January off, and I'm tempted to begin looking for a new job. This sucks because I used to like this job, and might again if they'd just hire a few people. (and, you know, if new boss says screw it and stays how with the new baby permanently). Sigh.

Do it now. Update your resume, get a Pro to redo it. Work LinkedIn like mad, get recs fro this job )contact your last boss, etc). Post new resume on Monster, etc.

Wait for offers to come in.

Nava 11-21-2015 11:59 PM

What is the point of a huge budget if it can't be used for what is actually needed, which in this case includes "more bodies"?

I wish you the best of luck in your search. Quit once you have the new job.

MagicEyes 11-22-2015 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by elfkin477 (Post 18879381)
This sucks because I used to like this job, and might again if they'd just hire a few people. (and, you know, if new boss says screw it and stays how with the new baby permanently). Sigh.

Sorry, she probably won't. I was really hoping my Annoying Coworker would decide to stay home with her new baby, but she came back. :(

My prediction: When you quit, they will need to hire three people to replace you.

My supervisor does the same thing--she wants to do all kinds of new things, but she never thinks about how much time it will take to keep doing them on a regular basis. Then she's unhappy when I can't get it all done, but the only way to get it all done would be to work overtime, which I can't do right now for personal reasons. It's a no-win situation when you have a boss who is not willing to talk to you about your workload and priorities and how much is really reasonable to do in one day. I get the feeling you're like me, and you can get a lot done in one day, so that makes it extra-unreasonable for your boss to keep adding more and more to your workload. You can cram a lot in, but there's a point where you just can't keep adding more tasks and still get it all done. Good luck with the job hunt. I hope you find something where you're appreciated more.

Nava 11-23-2015 08:35 AM

One of the top managers in this project
1) does not understand the nature of the project/product at all. In a field that's very much "who dares wins", his basic outlook is backwards.
2) does not believe people are working unless we are where he can see us, despite evidence to the contrary,
3) "corrects" the definitions of people who actually know the subject matter better than he does. You know, the kind of guy that you tell him "+ is the symbol for addition" and he tells you no, it's actually the symbol for multiplication.
4) and does not have an indoors voice. Dude, you're having a phone conversation in the next room. The two doors are closed. Why can we hear every single word you say?

Chimera 11-23-2015 09:08 AM

Well, it could be better or worse.

My jackass boss was forced to retire last month for medical reasons. We got moved over to another manager temporarily. She apparently has decided the best course of action is to completely ignore our existence.

Which is ok, we're used to it, we were pretty much on our own pre-jackass too. But you know, when I miss a week's pay because it didn't get completed and approved in time and I don't exist, so I didn't get any kind of warning/reminder that it I needed to go back in and do something, followed by her approving it....

Avarie537 11-23-2015 08:08 PM

Aw, widdle miss pwincess had her pwecious cheese stick thrown away!

I work at a vet clinic and we have a VERY small fridge. We don't have a ton of employees, but enough that our little dorm fridge was often full to bursting. A second little dorm fridge was installed in another room. When I started working there, no real rules for keeping stuff in the fridges existed, so I introduced the ones that were in place at my last employer: all items must be labeled with your name or initials and a date. Anything left in the fridge for more than a week is liable to be thrown out. Anything not labeled is fair game to be consumed by anyone.

The main fridge was getting pretty full last week, so I texted everyone who has stuff in there and posted a notice about a pending fridge clean out in the main treatment room on Thursday. Saturday afternoon, after I finished clearing out the main fridge, the DVM (and owner) told me to clear out the second fridge. NOTHING in there was labeled, so anything perishable was tossed. Everything packaged was fair game, so it was divvied up amongst those who wanted it and taken home.

This morning, Pwecious Pwincess tried to get snarky with me because I threw out her cheese stick. "This is fucking bullshit! That's the dumbest policy I've ever heard of. No other place has a rule like that and it's just not right. blahblahblah yacketyshmakety Don't ever throw my stuff away again!" I told her that I was just following the boss's orders and that if she had a problem, she should take it up with him. "You bet I will! This is just bullshit! Maybe I should go work somewhere else that doesn't have such stupid rules about the fridge." (The office manager said she was welcome to do so.)

But the doctor shut her down. "There is a policy that has been in place for months. I saw the notice. You had plenty of time to take your stuff out of there."

HAH! She thinks she's such hot shit because she's worked there longer than almost anyone, except the DVM's right hand gal (she's worked for him for 10+) years. Soooooooooo nice to see her not get away with throwing a tantrum over a goddamned cheese stick.

PS I had brought a cheese stick of my own from home today and made sure she saw me eat it.

TheFaerie 11-24-2015 09:23 AM

Why are engineers always surprised when I ask simple questions like: "Where are the native files?" "What date/description/initials doe you want in the revision block?" "When is this due?" "Who are you?"

Chimera 11-24-2015 09:40 AM

Goddamnitsomuch.

The woman over the cube wall from me has THE MOST OFFENSIVE BREATH and that deathly smell is permeating the entire area.

She's been here like 2 weeks and we've never been introduced, so I don't want our first encounter to be me telling her to brush her teeth or something.

But DAMN!

kaylasdad99 11-24-2015 11:08 AM

Pass along a note to the office manager (or whoever she reports to).

Chimera 11-24-2015 02:27 PM

Goddamn I hate this too:

Me: (departmentname) this is Chimera.
Phone: Silence
Me: (pause) Hello?
Phone: Silence
Me: (starting to remove headset to hang up)
Phone: (very very quietly) Hello?
Me: Yes?
Phone: Um, Hello? Hello?
Me: (clear throat) Yes?
Phone: Oh, um, hi. (long pause)

FUCK YOU BITCH. Learn how to use a goddamned phone.

2gigch1 11-24-2015 02:44 PM

So this is a pretty common work complaint - lack of information being passed on - and how it affected my particular job today.

I was asked to start my shift an hour early to video Virginia's governor during his monthly Ask the Governor hour long show at a major news radio station in DC (everyone familiar with DC knows which one). I hadn't done it before, so I was a half hour early to set up and be fully prepared to do my job.

At 10am he rolled in and we began. At 11am, when it wrapped up, suddenly I see a reporter from my station and she's beckoning me to come with her to do a post interview where a bunch of other crews have gathered to get the governor in the lobby.

Had I been given even 5 minutes warning that a reporter would be there I could have prepped for it and not looked like a bumbling ass in front of competitors and the governor. Instead, caught off guard, I wasn't in "interview mode" and had to scramble to reset while everyone waited.

The job of keeping me informed falls to the assignment desk. No-one there told me the reporter was coming. I had even checked in at 9:35am and not a word was spoken, even though apparently the decision had been made by then.

I have a caustic email written to all the necessary parties but I'm just sitting on it. I'm pretty sure the primary party involved is actually being let go soon (for a build up of similar and other reasons), so how much good my tantrum will do is unknown. I spoke with some others involved and quietly expressed my dissatisfaction. They listened.

Anyway, thanks for the vent.

DrDeth 11-24-2015 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Chimera (Post 18885792)
Goddamn I hate this too:

Me: (departmentname) this is Chimera.
Phone: Silence
Me: (pause) Hello?
Phone: Silence
Me: (starting to remove headset to hang up)
Phone: (very very quietly) Hello?
Me: Yes?
Phone: Um, Hello? Hello?
Me: (clear throat) Yes?
Phone: Oh, um, hi. (long pause)

FUCK YOU BITCH. Learn how to use a goddamned phone.


Telemarketers.

Chimera 11-24-2015 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DrDeth (Post 18886070)
Telemarketers.

No, it's a woman in another department who has apparently never figured out simple telephone etiquette.

j666 11-24-2015 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Chimera (Post 18886079)
No, it's a woman in another department who has apparently never figured out simple telephone etiquette.

I used to work with a person who made a point of continuing a conversation (in person) with someone else after the person he called answered.

Jeep's Phoenix 11-24-2015 06:03 PM

Avarie537, you can tell widdle miss pwincess that at least one other workplace has a fridge policy! Sadly, it's not enforced often enough, and when someone takes it upon themselves to do a clean-up, they'll rely on the sniff test to determine if an undated item is OK or not. This once resulted in one of the managers pitching a fit via company-wide email because the homemade onion dressing he brought in one morning was thrown in the trash before lunch because someone thought it had spoiled.

Seanette 11-24-2015 07:16 PM

My current irkplace cleans out the fridges every week (we have two in the one breakroom, and we do use that space, with over 100 employees).

SeaDragonTattoo 11-24-2015 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeep's Phoenix (Post 18886366)
Avarie537, you can tell widdle miss pwincess that at least one other workplace has a fridge policy! Sadly, it's not enforced often enough, and when someone takes it upon themselves to do a clean-up, they'll rely on the sniff test to determine if an undated item is OK or not. This once resulted in one of the managers pitching a fit via company-wide email because the homemade onion dressing he brought in one morning was thrown in the trash before lunch because someone thought it had spoiled.

Make it four. I work for two veterinary facilities and they both have a written policy posted on the fridges, and there's no mercy on clean out days!

Nava 11-24-2015 09:20 PM

Most places I've been in had some sort of fridge policy. The laxer ones tend to be enforced least. Samples:

NO food in the lab fridges.
We mean it damnit.
We find food in the lab fridges, it won't only be the food that gets tossed out.

Fridge will be emptied at 5pm on the clock. It's the second thing the cleaning lady does. The first one is remove her coat.

And all sorts of variations on "fridge will be emptied every Friday afternoon".

dropzone 11-24-2015 09:35 PM

In order to avoid my MIL and SILs and BILs and nieces and nephews at a couple of family functions this weekend, including Thanksgiving dinner, and because I need the money, I volunteered to work through half the long weekend. It will be helping good American consumers up their credit limits after they max out their cards. First, I hate consumers. Second, I hate the holiday consumerism they all "need" to be involved in. Third, I would rather not encourage them to dig themselves deeper into debt. On the other hand, my in-laws are all drinkers I used to drink with, and after what passed for training today I really need a drink.

The manager showed screen shots of only half of the screens and is giving the class several days to forget what we learned before we are sat in front of new workstations and the phones are turned on. It seems fairly complex, though I can't be sure, and I pity the first few people who get me because I have only the vaguest idea of what to do. In fifty years of working I have never felt this unprepared, and I've been a hired gun as a temp--taught myself enough AutoCAD to be productive in an unfamiliar industry by reading the manual the night before, FFS.

Well, the pay is so lousy that at least they'll get their money out of me. May need to do Christmas with the family, though.

kaylasdad99 11-24-2015 11:22 PM

That sucks, dropzone. Is there any chance you could persuade the manager to run the training module for you again, a little closer to start date, so you've at least got part of a handle on the half he did show you?

Eureka 11-27-2015 12:36 PM

Boss, I get that most of our "Night People" are young people who probably ran away home this holiday weekend. But it's hard to get things back on an even keel when you keep moving people's schedules around, always in the direction of "come in early". We need a few Night or at least Afternoon people to run around finding toys and things for people.

Also, I'm not exactly enthused about coming in at 5 am tomorrow. Although it does make sense . . .

(Retail. Store is more Grocery than than type of Store that really has Blow-Out Black Friday Sales. But, we've got enough things on Black Friday sale prices, that yes, someone needs to come in and take down the signs, and hang the price tags for the remaining 4 day ad. Still, not enthused).

On the plus side, Boss agreed with me that I didn't need to hang tags that are only good till tomorrow, as long as there was a sign nearby that listed the Black Friday Price.

Eureka 11-28-2015 03:43 PM

Dear Co-worker:

You are seriously part-time (often work ten hours a week).

I am full-time.

This has been a more or less typical holiday week-- not enough employees, too many customers, some balls got dropped.

I do NOT NEED you to explain which balls got dropped (with occasional "it's not your fault because they have you juggling all these other balls").

You do your work, I'll do mine.

[note to peanut gallery-- yes, part-time people can have information full timers don't, especially if they were in the right place at the right time. In this case, though, . . . honestly, co-worker has a bad case of liking to hear himself talk, mixed with a desire to be more vital to the function of the store/department than would be good for us given how few hours he's actually available. And my temper is short today, because I had to be there early, because of Black Friday related price changes.]

kiz 11-30-2015 07:44 AM

I've got a brand spankin' new trainee this week. TPTB expect her to be halfway up to speed when they set said trainee solo next week. This is an impossibility given that 1) trainee has never done this type of work before, and 2) comparing her to me with 25+ years' experience is extremely unfair IMO. I told trainee re #2 that I'm not expecting miracles because it's all new, and yes, I thank god you're a quick learner compared to others I've trained, but that doesn't mean you're the new savior.

My manager and assistant have taken a hands-off approach other than to ask trainee how everything's going. On the one hand it says a lot about their trust in me. OTOH it also says a lot about passing off tasks neither of them want to do.

Filbert 12-01-2015 09:19 AM

The store I'm working in has been getting several trainee managers and assistant for different branches lately, just for a few weeks, presumably so their future staff don't get to see them messing up simple stuff while they're learning. Fair enough, except.. they keep sending idiots.

The guy at the moment appears to think the sun shines out of his arse, while utterly failing to show even basic common sense. A sensible answer to "Hey, can I just get *thing needed to serve customer, that you're standing right in front of, blocking access while ignoring said customer*?" Is not a cheery "Oh, you get what you like!" While not moving.

Common sense would indicate that if "Bob" is in charge of me and you, you don't get to tell me to stop doing what "Bob" asked me to do, and do what he asked you to do instead. Especially when "Bob" is standing right freaking there looking at you like you're an idiot.

Oh, and this conversation, with me, a virtual stranger? Just.. No.
"You have a housemate *baffled look*, what, are you a student or something?!"

"Uh, no? It's really common round here to share, it's so expensive. Though actually, technically, he's my landlord, he owns the house"

"Oh. So are you sleeping with him then?"

What. The. Fuck.

I'm glad he fucks off to annoy and offend another branch soon. Poor sods working there though.

Avarie537 12-01-2015 09:23 AM

I work at a veterinary clinic and we recently hired two new people. The new receptionist and office manager (who has been there 2+ years) were discussing the schedule. We have VERY strict policies involving overtime - basically, you are supposed to watch your hours so you don't get any. However, the person who makes the schedule put the new receptionist on for more than 40 hours in one week. In discussing this issue, the Office Manager comes out with this gem: "Oh, well it's your responsibility to watch your hours and make sure you don't go over." I gave her my best WTF face and said "How does that make sense? Why not make it the responsibility of the schedule maker to, you know, NOT scheduled people for OT??" She didn't like that very much. Now we are getting a reminder memo about how OT isn't "acceptable" unless approved by the DVM.

JcWoman 12-01-2015 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dropzone (Post 18886821)
is giving the class several days to forget what we learned before we are sat in front of new workstations and the phones are turned on.

Been there. I've been on major projects installing new computer systems for external companies where we performed "train the trainer" about 6 months before they got to use said new system. For those who may not be familiar with this concept, train the trainer means that we'll train a laughable tiny fraction of your staff and then they can then train the rest of your staff. It's a lovely concept that blithely ignores the fact that your "trainer" students are rarely experienced trainers, so if they do manage to pass on any information it's close to a miracle. And then the 6 month lead time allows people plenty of time to forget that little bit of knowledge they were able to glean.

My workplace rant is this:

I've noticed a trend in the last decade of my career: I start a job with all the enthusiasm of a new hire, and then around the 2-year mark I have learned enough about the company to fully understand why it's so screwed up. Case in point, the current gig. Although we do software development, we don't have any understanding of project management. Well, actually, our IT department does have some process and organization. They're fine.

But the product development team that I work on - all business analysts and other business folks, haven't a clue. We write a lot of documentation, from designs to software requirements to end user documentation. But because there's no concept of project management, our projects are very loosey goosey. There's no ownership of tasks let alone a whole project. Bob tells Sally it's her job to do $task. Sally disagrees, and whoever loses the argument gets to do $task. Sometimes Bob and Sally each think $task is theirs and then they fight over it. Sometimes Bob and Sally disagree strongly on what the best design is, but there's no owner to call the shots. In this case, they take it to each of their managers and then THEY argue. Eventually consensus might be reached, but if not then the project languishes. Projects start because upper management promises our external customers something, and then they toss it into the air and assume that it will get done.

When I suggested a little project management might be helpful I heard "we don't need nuna that, wut you need that fer, herp derp?"

Kelevra 12-02-2015 09:54 AM

I work in a small office. We have 1 real conference room. We have had an electronic sign-out system for it for probably the last 8-10 years.

Two weeks ago I was getting ready to do a webinar in our conference room when my boss rushed in and said "I have a meeting starting in a 1/2 hour and forgot to sign out the conference room!" I replied that I had a webinar in 15 minutes and I didn't forget to sign out the conference room. He rushed out the door and made some other arrangement.

Yesterday he mentioned to me that he has a meeting at 2:00 today with a bunch of people coming in. I didn't tell him that I already had the conference room booked for a meeting at that time. I figure I'll let him run in and freak out again.

Eventually he'll learn won't he?

FairyChatMom 12-02-2015 10:55 AM

I've been on this job since mid-Sept, and it was closing in on late Oct before I got computer access and the necessary training. But it's engineering drafting. I was an engineer for 26 years, plus I've had 2 temp jobs as a drafter since retiring, so I'm pretty good at making pretty pictures. And I work fast - it's just the way I am.

I've lost count of the number of times I've gone to the boss asking for work because I was out of things to do. Most recently, last week, I told him I needed work. Nothing. Then a few things that needed to be revised came back, so I was partly busy again. Yesterday, I told him again and a couple of hours later, he gave me a list of drawings to do. I had them all finished by early this morning, but he was at a meeting, so I left him a note asking for more to do. Still waiting - I'm posting this during my lunch break.

I can't just sit. I took this job because I want to work. I don't appreciate waking before 5 and getting to the office before 6 just to twiddle my thumbs. Today especially, I could have used the extra sleep.

When I was in training, I heard some of the engineers complaining about the drafting backlog, so I figured I'd be busy. Yeah, right. I've pretty much decided to get my resume out there again. I've heard tell of one place that has a backlog and just lost a drafter - if they can match what I'm paid here, I'll probably jump ship.

TheFaerie 12-02-2015 12:42 PM

FCM, I'm in that situation right now, and it's not likely to get much busier with the O&G business slowing down so much. But I'm not going to jump ship, the pay and benefits are too good. So I'll sit here and get paid to read TheDope.

Morgyn 12-02-2015 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Kelevra (Post 18904162)
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Yesterday he mentioned to me that he has a meeting at 2:00 today with a bunch of people coming in. I didn't tell him that I already had the conference room booked for a meeting at that time. I figure I'll let him run in and freak out again.

Eventually he'll learn won't he?

So, what happened?

j666 12-02-2015 07:46 PM

No, I am not in San Bernadino
 
But today I found out that the firm has no mechanism for reporting or responding to a some kind of attack.

Maybe we'll work on one tomorrow.

FairyChatMom 12-03-2015 06:33 AM

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Originally Posted by TheFaerie (Post 18904658)
FCM, I'm in that situation right now, and it's not likely to get much busier with the O&G business slowing down so much. But I'm not going to jump ship, the pay and benefits are too good. So I'll sit here and get paid to read TheDope.

Fortunately, my bennies are thru my retirement, and while the pay is nice, it's not my primary reason for working. I wanted to do something other than surf on line like I was doing at home... Anyway, my resume went out last night. We shall see. Meanwhile, I've been in the office for 90 minutes and I've had maybe 5 minutes worth of work to do so far.

Jeep's Phoenix 12-03-2015 07:18 AM

Most people dread political discussions with relatives...I dread going to work and having to listen to a certain co-worker who likes to start his day by showing up in the office of one of the project engineers and loudly complaining about things that are wrong with America. I can hear him through two walls, a cube divider, and a set of decent ear buds. >.<

MagicEyes 12-03-2015 09:42 PM

Another day, another Annoying Coworker story. We had a meeting today (one of many, so I got almost no real work done). I feel bad for my coworker who was running the meeting because we started the meeting talking about a part of this project that affects me, and we spent too much time on that, partly because Annoying Coworker and Whiny Coworker sidetracked the discussion into things we shouldn't have even been talking about at that meeting. Annoying Coworker doesn't like the way we're doing something that she has absolutely nothing to do with, and she demanded that we do it a different way that would make my job harder, take more time, and make my products worse. Of course my supervisor respects her input much more than mine, so she's probably going to want to start doing things that way, at which point I might say take this job and shove it. Whiny Coworker doesn't like that a project isn't being done the way he wants it done (which is mostly problematic because I'm the only one that actually ever does any work on that project, and I don't have time to do it the way he wants it done).

Other small gripes: People who want to schedule a meeting, so I give them a nice selection of times that I have open, and they won't pick a time, so I end up picking a time for them, and of course when the meeting time comes, they're tied up doing something else so they can't come to the meeting. Just pick a damn time. I'm tired of this. Also, people who don't read emails, so I have to keep asking them to redo something even though all the information they needed was in the email. I don't even want to go to work tomorrow. :(

teela brown 12-04-2015 12:46 PM

A couple of years ago, a major tenant moved out of my office building, leaving 3/4 of it empty. The vacancy has since been filled up with many small businesses, including techie start-up kinds of businesses. The building demographic has skewed from stodgy older accountant types to young glued-to-cellphone, hacky sack-playing types.

My building has a four-story parking garage for the office workers. Our new younger demographic are crappy drivers and we've had a few accidents and near-accidents in the parking garage.

So building management has constructed lots of speed bumps in the garage. A good idea, you might say, but they're horrible. There are far too many of them, they're steep and abrupt rather than smooth, and they're made of cheapo crumbly asphalt. The painted yellow stripes have worn off in just two weeks, and the asphalt is crumbling away and scattering gravel all over the garage.

Drivers of low-clearance sports cars are scraping when they go over the bumps. I drive a higher-clearance car with light truck tires, and I feel like I'm going offroad when I drive in our garage. Everyone's complaining about getting paint chips from kicked-up gravel.

It sucks.

Chimera 12-04-2015 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by MagicEyes (Post 18909258)
Annoying Coworker doesn't like the way we're doing something that she has absolutely nothing to do with, and she demanded that we do it a different way that would make my job harder, take more time, and make my products worse. Of course my supervisor respects her input much more than mine, so she's probably going to want to start doing things that way, at which point I might say take this job and shove it.

I have a co-worker like that.

I've said that if she was put in charge of airline pre-flight checks, she would have the pilot personally walking the plane and checking off that each passenger was correctly buckled in. Then, in the middle of the flight, she'd notice that someone was unbuckled and call the pilot over the PA, for everyone to hear, and ask if he had checked that individual passenger or not.

She tried to tell me and my boss that I needed to do a specific process in a way that would take about 5 times longer, catch very few additional errors (of no consequence) and ensure that I'd never get the job done. Boss started to back her up. Then I pointed out that I was the only one who had ever done that process for the last several years and that neither she nor anyone else on the team had done it for almost a year before I picked it up. So if she wanted it done that way, then I expected that she would start handling it herself. Otherwise here's my process and I'm doing it this way as long as I'm the only one doing it.

Spice Weasel 12-04-2015 08:45 PM

I recently started a new job that doesn't permit employees to use any browser other than Internet Explorer.

That counts, right?

Senegoid 12-05-2015 02:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spice Weasel (Post 18912139)
I recently started a new job that doesn't permit employees to use any browser other than Internet Explorer.

That counts, right?

Well, yes, I'd definitely call that a rant about an unimproved workplace.

j666 12-05-2015 07:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spice Weasel (Post 18912139)
I recently started a new job that doesn't permit employees to use any browser other than Internet Explorer.

That counts, right?

Doesn't count; that's the fault of using the browser instead of an independent interface for some application that needs to be validated. Most people at my company have at least two browsers, one for the validated application(s) and others for actually going on-line safely and efficiently.

Silophant 12-05-2015 02:28 PM

I'd count that, since it sounds like Spice Weasel's company (and mine!) won't permit the installation of that second browser.

Honestly, I'd be happy just with an upgrade to IE11; we're stuck with IE9, and more and more websites are (rightfully) refusing to work with such an old browser. Nothing mission-critical yet, though.

j666 12-05-2015 04:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silophant (Post 18913671)
I'd count that, since it sounds like Spice Weasel's company (and mine!) won't permit the installation of that second browser.
...

It is amazing to me that with all the senseless restrictions and other decisions from IT, we can download any browser we want.

Jeep's Phoenix 12-05-2015 10:21 PM

We used to be able to install any browser, though we had to get permission from IT to make it the default. Now, everything except IE10 is blocked. Even the extensions are blocked! I was running Chrome with Ad Blocker and Ghostery...

Dunkelheit 12-06-2015 06:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Silophant (Post 18913671)
Honestly, I'd be happy just with an upgrade to IE11; we're stuck with IE9, and more and more websites are (rightfully) refusing to work with such an old browser. Nothing mission-critical yet, though.

When we were on the worse-than-useless 'work programme' that's supposed to help people on jobseeker's allowance get jobs (but doesn't), their computers' OS and IE were so out of date that I couldn't even download job applications to fill them out there. I would have to go home to do that anyway, so why waste the time and effort (and patience and mental health) going to their stupid bloody office to search for the jobs in the first place? Pissed me off.

Dr. Girlfriend 12-06-2015 12:58 PM

I've been on vacation since Thanksgiving and I go back to work tomorrow. I'm in a new department now where people aren't normally supposed to contact me directly, we have a general mailbox that gets doled out amongst the team. So in theory I shouldn't come back to 300+ unread emails like the last time I went on vacation even though someone was supposed to be monitoring my inbox. We'll see.

MagicEyes 12-06-2015 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chimera (Post 18910924)
I have a co-worker like that.

I've said that if she was put in charge of airline pre-flight checks, she would have the pilot personally walking the plane and checking off that each passenger was correctly buckled in. Then, in the middle of the flight, she'd notice that someone was unbuckled and call the pilot over the PA, for everyone to hear, and ask if he had checked that individual passenger or not.

She tried to tell me and my boss that I needed to do a specific process in a way that would take about 5 times longer, catch very few additional errors (of no consequence) and ensure that I'd never get the job done. Boss started to back her up. Then I pointed out that I was the only one who had ever done that process for the last several years and that neither she nor anyone else on the team had done it for almost a year before I picked it up. So if she wanted it done that way, then I expected that she would start handling it herself. Otherwise here's my process and I'm doing it this way as long as I'm the only one doing it.

Oh gods, there's more than one of her? :eek: You have my deepest sympathy. Some day maybe they'll end up working together, and the world will collapse into a black hole of annoyingness.

My Annoying Coworker is a tattler. As a bit of background, I was never the kind of child that called anyone else a tattletale. But she is. It's like being back in kindergarten again. The real problem is not so much how she acts, because I can handle problem coworkers, but my supervisor (who is NOT her supervisor) will take her side and want to do things her way, and that is just too much. She can say whatever she wants, but when it makes my job more difficult, that's when it's a problem. I will be so happy when I leave this job and I never have to work with her again. It will be the happiest day of my life. I'm going to get a very nice bottle of champagne and celebrate, celebrate, celebrate! (We should have a little tipsy smiley with a party hat)

My supervisor is also very bad about wanting to do things that only I do in a different way that would be much more difficult and time-consuming. So far I've kept doing things my way, but I'm sure this will be an issue some day.

Kimballkid 12-07-2015 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by j666 (Post 18905940)
But today I found out that the firm has no mechanism for reporting or responding to a some kind of attack.

Maybe we'll work on one tomorrow.

We had what they called 'Active Shooter Training' one time and the presenters were just a little too enthusiastic. It was like they wanted it to happen and dreamed about it every night so they could play hero with their little pistols.

Chimera 12-07-2015 11:41 AM

The woman who sits across from me only works in the office about 2 days a month. I wish it was less, because all day she's YELLING INTO HER PHONE.

Bitch had the gall to complain to someone that she hated working in the office because it was too loud. :smack:

Only when you're here, bigmouth. :mad:

SeaDragonTattoo 12-07-2015 07:17 PM

My part-time workplace has been sold. New owner has to re-do all the employment crap and I have to try to find my passport that I haven't needed since 2004. The email was just sent this evening with a Thursday deadline. Um. OK. I don't work there again until Saturday and I'm NOT making a 2-hour round trip just to drop off my proof of employability where I've been working for the last 11 years. Y'all already have copies of the same shit. I'll fax it and leave you the originals when I'm there on Saturday.

j666 12-07-2015 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kimballkid (Post 18917856)
We had what they called 'Active Shooter Training' one time and the presenters were just a little too enthusiastic. It was like they wanted it to happen and dreamed about it every night so they could play hero with their little pistols.

Yeah, I don't know about Active Shooter Training, but it would be nice to have clear maps to the nearest exist in main corridors, an effective company wide communication system other than the fire alarm, rally points NOT the in the path of emergency vehicles or under four levels of concrete, automatic unlocking of secure rooms, general shelter in place instructions ... even reminders on how to call out to 911 would be a help.

My last company had a one person HSE department who did a better job.

raventhief 12-07-2015 09:38 PM

I had a crappy day. Sometimes I really hate working on computers.

SeaDragonTattoo 12-08-2015 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by raventhief (Post 18919499)
I had a crappy day. Sometimes I really hate working on computers.

Hope tomorrow's better. If it helps, I just had a coworker from another department have to come back to work to finish a project because her PC at home may have gotten fried by a power outage. It was already a long day, she went home to finish the project (deadline tonight) over the phone with the 3rd party, and couldn't finish. Once she got back here (after calling me to make sure she could get into the building since I'm the only one ever here after 8pm), she got back on the phone with the 3rd party and that person's computer crashed. Was able to recover, but she just left at 12:20am. She started work at 7am.

FatBaldGuy 12-08-2015 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by SeaDragonTattoo (Post 18919811)
Hope tomorrow's better. If it helps, I just had a coworker from another department have to come back to work to finish a project because her PC at home may have gotten fried by a power outage. It was already a long day, she went home to finish the project (deadline tonight) over the phone with the 3rd party, and couldn't finish. Once she got back here (after calling me to make sure she could get into the building since I'm the only one ever here after 8pm), she got back on the phone with the 3rd party and that person's computer crashed. Was able to recover, but she just left at 12:20am. She started work at 7am.

Whatever you do, don't let that person anywhere near your computer.

FairyChatMom 12-08-2015 09:30 AM

I'll admit right up front that this isn't a huge deal, but OMG, stop already with the Pumpkin Spice air freshener in the ladies' room!!!! I don't like artificial scents anyway, whether in cleaning products, potpourri, or spray cans. I especially don't like fakey food scents, and when they're confined to a small space, they're overpowering and gross! Whatever you're doing in the stalls can't possibly smell that disgusting.

I need to go outside and inhale some jet exhaust to clear my nose.

Calatin 12-08-2015 03:24 PM

Not really a rant, but if I'm a salesman who put together a 3-page pitch / offer to a company, where I'm trying to sell my software that will automate and ensure quality control over data, I'd do my damnedest to make sure I refer to my potential client correctly throughout the document, and proofread it to verify I don't accidentally refer to them by their competitor's name at some point.

Jeep's Phoenix 12-08-2015 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FairyChatMom (Post 18920509)
Whatever you're doing in the stalls can't possibly smell that disgusting.

Someone at my workplace will occasionally leave the ladies' room smelling like a cross between rancid fried food and seriously rotten fruit. Also, the only available deodorizers are Gain-scented.

So if you've ever wondered what it would be like if someone did #2 in the laundry detergent aisle at the grocery store...

Eureka 12-08-2015 06:48 PM

Dear Newly Ex-Co-worker:

Don't let the door hit ya, etc.

But did ya hafta quit NOW?

(Retail sucks this time of year. Being shorthanded sucks any time of year. The amount of turnover we've had lately is annoying. I doubt we'll replace the person in question until after New Year's, and I think we're about to lose another one because they are being a pain in Boss's neck. I don't know details, I'm just tired of the string of new names on the schedule and new faces passing through).

Dear Unloved Co-worker:

I do not understand how you can feel so uniquely put-upon for the amount of work you put in today. You seem to think that unreasonable things were asked of you, and you went above and beyond the call of duty, and frankly, I don't see it.

And when you ask me a question, I never feel like you understand the answer I give the first time. (And I can't believe you've worked here as long as you have and not picked up on my scheduling quirks, although it's probably not actually fair to judge you for that).

But I reserve the right to judge you for being slow as molasses and way too willing to talk to whomever about nothing and refuse to pass messages to someone for you.

And there's a reason I showed up to be helpful *after* you left, and not before. It's 'cuz I don't like you.

Chimera 12-09-2015 09:33 AM

I'm sure that if we had an active shooter drill, it would look like one of those whomp the gopher games. People's heads would just keep popping over the tops of cubes to see what was going on because nobody read the damned emails or understood what was going on.

FairyChatMom 12-09-2015 10:44 AM

Yesterday morning, I asked my boss for something to do because I'd finished everything he'd given me. He said "Take a break" and that was the last I saw of him. I did get a couple of small tasks from the engineer I've been working with, but they didn't fill more than an hour.

I had about an hour's work waiting for me when I came in this morning. I went to my boss - almost FOUR HOURS AGO - to ask for some work. Nothing.

When I was in the limbo of waiting for my computer accounts to be set up and all that early-job silliness, I heard a lot of talk about backlogs. I thought I'd be busy. But for the most part, I waste a lot of time, like now. I've got one resume out and I'm thinking of sending out a few more. I don't have to work, being retired, but I want to work because I was bored being around the house all day. Now I'm bored in a cubicle.

This sucketh mightily!

MissTake 12-09-2015 11:15 AM

"You're leaving already?"
Yes, because I can't friggin hear my clients over your yammering. I was in office for only 90 minutes and heard about Santa picture woes, your dislike of ham, your husband's dislike of turkey, who all is coming over for Xmas, what you bought for Xmas, the cleaning you need to accomplish between now and then... you haven't SHUT UP since I sat down. I can't get anything done.
Christ. Management wants to see our bright, shining faces at least once a week. That's fine. IF work is accomplished on that day, not catching up with everyone you haven't seen forever.

JcWoman 12-11-2015 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FairyChatMom (Post 18924136)
Now I'm bored in a cubicle.

That's my corporate experience also. I'm very well organized and make efficient use of time, so I finish tasks quickly. I've tried the tactics of asking the boss for more work, asking coworkers if they need help, finding my own useful tasks to do... all of it just results in a few minutes of work followed by hours of sitting around waiting for the next task. I spent a few years evaluating if I was doing something wrong because coworkers are constantly whinging about having too much work to do while I sit around mostly and work about an hour a day. I've pretty much concluded that it's the difference in efficiency. I don't waste a lot of time socializing at work, and as I said, I'm very organized so my tasks get done way, way faster than everybody else.

I also had the experience at one place where I did all the work that a slacker coworker wasn't doing, thinking that I'd shine and get promoted, or at least recognized as a rock star. Nope. Just exploited - no recognition, no raise, no bonus, not even a thank you. So I don't do that anymore. If a coworker is allergic to work so his assignments back up, that's on him. (I do help coworkers who get behind through no fault of their own. Just not the deliberate slackers.)

I have another rant to add to this thread. After close to 30 years I thought I'd encountered every flavor of good and bad coworker/boss. But now I'm experiencing a new one. A coworker who is stalling, delaying, doing everything in his power to not do a project and deftly making it look like my team is delaying him. He's quite good, but I'm getting so sick of it that I'm ready to nail him to the wall. Going to get my boss to handle him, though, just to "play nice" in this stupid corporate world. First, it shouldn't be his project and I don't know how it got dumped on him. However, it was so he should get it done. He started out making it sound like my team was the bottleneck so he asked us to get a head start on our part of the work. We did and gave him feedback. He tried to make it sound like my team were the decisionmakers when we're not. But we humored him and made a decision. Now he's pushing back on that decision and questioning it. Delay, stall, stall, delay. Leave an email trail that looks like we were the problem. :mad:

Nava 12-11-2015 10:46 AM

Most of the time when I've got nothing to do at work and others do, it is indeed a difference in efficiency.

But in my current job, it's the bosses who have given a ton of work to some people, and assigned to others maybe three tasks for which we don't even get the input we need. My German coworker is efficient as all get-go, but she's got a mountain of work whereas the two Frenchmen and I are really busy twiddling our thumbs. We help her with what we can, but since we can't do it openly (again, because of the bosses, or rather a specific one), it can't be anything that needs a lot of explanations.

The boss who's a problem is the same one who can't believe in work from home: we get to be onsite for weeks despite having no meetings at all. He's also fixated on using the new system to reproduce exactly the old ones: instead of replacing as much as possible, we're keeping as much as he can get away with, and instead of having the immense majority of their corporate data in a single database, they're using SAP as a mere reporting tool interfaced to a ton of systems, some of them older than me.

Lightray 12-11-2015 10:58 AM

I have to regularly arrange for samples to be shipped to customers, other locations, etc. Sometimes it's urgent and time-critical, sometimes not. Everything must go through our warehouse, and... I've got samples that have been sitting there for a month. Literally, an entire month. Several of these are super-critical samples that were needed in Singapore three weeks ago to start up a new lab there.

That is basically the highest priority project in the company at the moment, under intense scrutiny because the schedule keeps slipping. So you'd think people would want to avoid drawing the ire of the VPs by delaying it further... but, apparently not. After nagging for a month (a month!), turns out the warehouse folks are in Vegas for a conference now. I finally took the nuclear option of an email to the plant manager, and so far the response has been crickets chirping.

WTF is wrong with these idiots? They know damn well this will blow up in their faces, and they'll have absolutely no defense since we now document every step of the sample shipment process because they're so crap at their jobs. ugh.

flatlined 12-11-2015 02:43 PM

A supervisor in a different department just poached my assistant. I know that its a boring job, but I don't require busy work and allow people to surf the internet or read/study on their down time. I pay as well as any other department. Same benefits as the other departments.

The reason my assistant gave for leaving is that the other departments have a lot of people and mine has a grand total of 3. Now I have to find another assistant who meshes well and I have to put on a happy face, buy assistant a going away cake and write good wishes on his card. Not only that, the parking lot has cameras so I can't let the air out of the poaching supervisor's tires.

kiz 12-11-2015 03:43 PM

...and we might lose my fledgling trainee because she didn't realize that she's not guaranteed the hours she thought she was guaranteed. She already took a pay cut to work here. She's been a dream trainee in terms of catching onto stuff very quickly, which is IMO a precious quality.

We're holding our breaths because our slow season is coming up. If she bails, I honestly don't know what we're going to do.

kaylasdad99 12-11-2015 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by flatlined (Post 18931304)
A supervisor in a different department just poached my assistant. I know that its a boring job, but I don't require busy work and allow people to surf the internet or read/study on their down time. I pay as well as any other department. Same benefits as the other departments.

The reason my assistant gave for leaving is that the other departments have a lot of people and mine has a grand total of 3. Now I have to find another assistant who meshes well and I have to put on a happy face, buy assistant a going away cake and write good wishes on his card. Not only that, the parking lot has cameras so I can't let the air out of the poaching supervisor's tires.

Invite half a dozen coworkers out to lunch (or to check out something in your car). Lead them past the poacher's car. Drop caltrops behind his tires as you pass.

j666 12-11-2015 07:46 PM

We have an electronic training system. Now, whenever I entered something to be assigned, it would come back to me at least three times for correction. And don't get me started on identifying who has to be trained, or the undocumented requirements. It drove me crazy trying to get an assignment through.

So, I was received a slew of assignments, more that could possibly be completed within the (undocumented) limitation of so many a day. I went through them, trying to prioritize, and found a bunch of unnecessary or duplicate training, but no one will cancel the assignments.

Then I started doing the assignments that made sense to me, while waiting for the mess to get straightened out, and every single training item had errors. Every one. I would get fired if I did this.

I've decided to just enjoy this, make a game out of finding the errors, and seeing how far I have to get the duplicates removed.

kiz 12-12-2015 02:39 AM

Trainee sort of fell apart yesterday. We have a production timetable. She's brand spankin' new and has never been on a production timetable, so yeah, it's going to take Trainee some time to get up to speed. Before that happens, Trainee has to have everything else down pat. The tasks are largely repetitious: The more you do something, the faster you get.

Well, my department Powers That Be have decided this won't do and they need to put the fear of god into Trainee. Trainee is already nervous enough around me, never mind them. Trainee is a very conscientious sort and wants to do things correctly. TPTB couldn't give a shit -- they just want things done ASAP and if it doesn't happen, they first get pissy, then they snark, which is what they did behind Trainee's back yesterday. I heard a good portion of it. I called them out on it. I was told to keep quiet, they were just having fun "because [Trainee] is SOOOOO SERIOUS and this is NOT a serious job."

Wherein I just gave both of them the utter look of death and replied, "If you were a career [title of position] like me, you wouldn't think it was funny. TRAINEE IS NEW. Of course Trainee concerned with doing a good job. There's a lot of steps to remember and yeah, Trainee is going to stumble. Trainee has NEVER done this kind of work before. What is WRONG with YOU?"

As I said upthread, my defense may be all for naught. I'm kind of hoping Trainee walks out if only to shove TPTB's behavior right back into their faces. The downside is that I'll have to take over the hours.

JcWoman 12-14-2015 09:38 AM

You guys ever have a very experienced, seemingly smart coworker who for no apparent reason can't get something through his thick head?

Dealing with one right now. We've discussed something work related in several email threads, and when they got long we met face to face. He didn't seem to get it, so another long email thread happened, which we then resolved with another face to face meeting. Now it's happening again and he keeps claiming he doesn't see what we're talking about. I want to be rude at this point, and ask him if he has a problem with either reading comprehension or cognitive abilities. We shouldn't have to keep explaining this to him over and over again, and yet we are. I've been swaying between frustration with him and shaking my head in wonder. I know he's not stupid, but.... he sure plays stupid very well! What. The. Fuck. Dude!

Avarie537 12-14-2015 07:34 PM

Hee hee hee ... our office manager has Pwecious Pwincess for the Secret Santa. She's gonna give her some cheese sticks! (She has already purchased her "real" gift ... this is just to poke fun.)

digs 12-14-2015 09:29 PM

In case you're wondering, post 126 is worth rereading. It starts with:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarie537 (Post 18883639)
Aw, widdle miss pwincess had her pwecious cheese stick thrown away!...


Nava 12-15-2015 03:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Avarie537 (Post 18939017)
Hee hee hee ... our office manager has Pwecious Pwincess for the Secret Santa. She's gonna give her some cheese sticks! (She has already purchased her "real" gift ... this is just to poke fun.)

You office manager is evil. I like her.



My manager is having problems understanding that if I say I need a certain piece of data in order to do my job (which isn't even my job damnit, that particular task should actually be on somebody else's tray), it's because I actually do need that piece of data in order to do my job.

I mean, of all the things one may be wanting to have at work, why would I ask for an extract of a bunch of control data if I didn't need it? It's not as if lists of tab-separated values are all that pretty...

Sigmagirl 12-15-2015 01:58 PM

My boss sent me another damn box of grapefruit for Christmas. Grapefruit, my most deadly allergy. Not as in puking or breaking out in a rash or making me all swell up, but as in not breathing any more and falling down and being dead.

Yes, she knows. She "forgets." I think she sends the same gift to the same dozen or so people every year, and it's easier to do it all at once than to make an exception.

Cinnamon Imp 12-15-2015 02:16 PM

That has to be reportable to HR if she's doing it repeatedly? Hostile working environment, and all that!

StarvingButStrong 12-15-2015 02:38 PM

Does it arrive early enough for re-gifting?

Like right back to her, maybe?

Chimera 12-15-2015 02:40 PM

Yeah, if my boss kept giving me something that could kill me, and not taking the hint, at some point I'd go to HR or Bosses Boss to object.

Of course, since the only thing I'm allergic to is latex, well, that certainly would be an interesting conversation if we had to have it. ;)

Sigmagirl 12-15-2015 03:05 PM

I telecommute, and yes, I re-gift. Either my neighbors or my husband's co-workers will be the beneficiaries.
Thing is, now I have to send her something. Asp?

Aangelica 12-15-2015 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sigmagirl (Post 18941412)
I telecommute, and yes, I re-gift. Either my neighbors or my husband's co-workers will be the beneficiaries.
Thing is, now I have to send her something. Asp?

Does she keep kosher? Is she diabetic? Gluten-free?

Bacon, a pound of fudge, cookies.

Alcoholic? Wine.

The possibilities are endless!

Catamount 12-15-2015 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sigmagirl (Post 18941412)
I telecommute, and yes, I re-gift. Either my neighbors or my husband's co-workers will be the beneficiaries.
Thing is, now I have to send her something. Asp?

How about a lovely blue-ringed octopus?

Projammer 12-15-2015 04:09 PM

I was thinking something simple. Maybe a box of black widow spiders or scorpions.

Catamount 12-15-2015 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Projammer (Post 18941579)
I was thinking something simple. Maybe a box of black widow spiders or scorpions.

In that case, how about a jerboa? Adorable and a virulent disease vector!


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