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Really Not All That Bright 04-03-2012 11:51 AM

More or less everyone who isn't a Republican?

ETA: Ninja'd.

Boyo Jim 04-03-2012 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Really Not All That Bright (Post 14930775)
More or less everyone who isn't a Republican?

ETA: Ninja'd.

Most Republicans know it too. Especially the ones smart enough to get elected. Being hypocrites doesn't preclude them from being smart.

mhendo 04-03-2012 02:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Really Not All That Bright (Post 14930729)
I know what she was talking about. As I said, I watched the show. I'm saying it wasn't entirely clear what Santorum was talking about, hence "he": it could have been either the UC or CSU system. Santorum's not from California; he may very well not know that California maintains a two-tier university system. I didn't until somebody explained it in the GD thread about tuition inflation a few months back.

But even if we give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume that he was unaware of the UC/CSU tiered system, there's still no way he could have made an accurate statement, because all the CSU campuses offer American history in a variety of forms.

I teach US history at a CSU campus, and our department has multiple offerings in American history, from broad surveys through to specialist topics like the history of religion in America, history of sport in America, borderlands history, American women's history, the history of California, and a bunch of others. This is the case, as far as i'm aware, at every CSU campus, with some offering more choice than others in terms of subject matter diversity.

Not only do the CSU campuses offer American history, but almost all of them actually have an American Institutions requirement, whereby even students in STEM and other non-humanities majors have to take at least one or two courses dealing with the history and development of American government or society.

bup 04-03-2012 03:16 PM

Maybe he meant any of the University of Canada campuses.

The CA abbreviation threw him.

Boyo Jim 04-03-2012 03:18 PM

It really doesn't matter which part of which system he was talking about. He was wrong on all counts for any or all of them.

mhendo 04-03-2012 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boyo Jim (Post 14931515)
It really doesn't matter which part of which system he was talking about. He was wrong on all counts for any or all of them.

Right.

The information itself was incorrect, which means that his comments were a result of:

1) being misinformed by his aides and advisers,
2) his own misunderstanding of something that he read or was told, or
3) a deliberate decision to disseminate false information.

With Santorum, number 3 seems more likely than not.

OttoDaFe 04-03-2012 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhendo (Post 14931541)
Quote:

Originally Posted by Boyo Jim (Post 14931515)
It really doesn't matter which part of which system he was talking about. He was wrong on all counts for any or all of them.

Right.

The information itself was incorrect, which means that his comments were a result of:

1) being misinformed by his aides and advisers,
2) his own misunderstanding of something that he read or was told, or
3) a deliberate decision to disseminate false information.

With Santorum, number 3 seems more likely than not.

How about "All of the above?"

Dag Otto 04-03-2012 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhendo (Post 14931438)
from broad surveys through to specialist topics like the history of religion in America, history of sport in America, borderlands history, American women's history, the history of California, and a bunch of others.

By Santorum rules, none of those count, unless they teach about when Jesus built the Statue of Liberty.

Euphonious Polemic 04-03-2012 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bup (Post 14931505)
Maybe he meant any of the University of Canada campuses.

The CA abbreviation threw him.

I know you're joking, but the really funny part is that you can take many American History courses in pretty much any university in Canada.

Here's a typical listing from a typical medium sized history dept in a Canadian university:

Intro History of the United States
Revolutionary America and the Early Republic
Antebellum America and the Civil War
The United States in the 20th Century: 1890-1945
The United States in the 20th Century: 1945-Present
The American West
US Foreign Relations, 1750-1914
US Foreign Relations, 1914 to the Present
The American Experience in Vietnam
Seminar in American History
Canadian-American Relations
Northwest America to 1849

Voyager 04-03-2012 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhendo (Post 14931438)

I teach US history at a CSU campus, and our department has multiple offerings in American history, from broad surveys through to specialist topics like the history of religion in America, history of sport in America, borderlands history, American women's history, the history of California, and a bunch of others. This is the case, as far as i'm aware, at every CSU campus, with some offering more choice than others in terms of subject matter diversity.

I bet you're one of them librul college professors brainwashing our kids, teaching not American History but Socialist Communist American history, like slavery was bad, slaves weren't happy, American Indians didn't really want to be massacred, and that the Founding Fathers weren't devout Christian Fundamentalists. In other words, you don't teach it the Texas way.

Punoqllads 04-03-2012 04:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voyager (Post 14931700)
In other words, you don't teach it the Texas way.

Alabama. Pennsylvania is Philadelphia on one side, Pittsburgh on the other, and Alabama in the middle.

Celidin 04-03-2012 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punoqllads (Post 14931741)
Alabama. Pennsylvania is Philadelphia on one side, Pittsburgh on the other, and Alabama in the middle.

That's funny... Alabama also exists in South(west) Jersey...

Polycarp 04-03-2012 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bup (Post 14931505)
Maybe he meant any of the University of Canada campuses.

The CA abbreviation threw him.

He asked friends in Ontario.

gamerunknown 04-03-2012 04:43 PM

I visited Berwick, Pennsylvania once. I've never been to the Southern states, but from their depiction in television and cinema, it seemed similar.

vivalostwages 04-03-2012 05:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Voyager (Post 14931700)
I bet you're one of them librul college professors brainwashing our kids.

You bet! mhendo practices classic brainwashing techniques: imprisonment, isolation, sensory deprivation or overstimulation, drugs, and a constant stream of propaganda. 'Cuz, you know, they're only in college. It's not like they can get up and leave or anything.

:D

vivalostwages 04-03-2012 05:51 PM

Not to mention, all of us proffies sit around in the faculty lounges and we're Satan's tools.
The Mitt and the Rickster tell you so.

Really Not All That Bright 04-03-2012 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhendo (Post 14931438)
But even if we give him the benefit of the doubt, and assume that he was unaware of the UC/CSU tiered system, there's still no way he could have made an accurate statement, because all the CSU campuses offer American history in a variety of forms.

Well, yeah. That's exactly what I was saying in the post under discussion!

ElvisL1ves 04-03-2012 06:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punoqllads (Post 14931741)
Alabama. Pennsylvania is Philadelphia on one side, Pittsburgh on the other, and Alabama in the middle.

Central PA is still Appalachia. So is upstate NY, northern New England, and the Atlantic provinces. All of them are chock full o' rednecks, if not so many blacks as further south. It's a mountain thing.

Equipoise 04-03-2012 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaffa (Post 14930741)
I, for one, would like to thank Equipoise for her original post, and congratulate her on 5000 responses.

Why, thank you very much and you're welcome! Huzzah to silenus for making the 5000th post! Thanks to everyone for keeping this thread going.

Quote:

Originally Posted by gaffa (Post 14930741)
Who knew Republicans would produce such an astonishing number of stupid ideas?

I am so not surprised in the least.

elucidator 04-03-2012 10:21 PM

Well, yeah, but if we can't pack that other thread with at least seventy more pages, our non-partisan, centrist credentials are questionable.

OK, I got one. A parks and recreation commissioner in Deer Creek, Minnesota, is a Democrat. Locked his keys in his car! Twice! Once with his family inside!

Come on, people, we can do this!

jayjay 04-03-2012 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Equipoise (Post 14932689)
Why, thank you very much and you're welcome! Huzzah to silenus for making the 5000th post! Thanks to everyone for keeping this thread going.

Pffft. 5000-odd posts...you still have a long way to catch up, Grasshopper...

11600-odd posts in the WoW discussion thread

Voyager 04-04-2012 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Punoqllads (Post 14931741)
Alabama. Pennsylvania is Philadelphia on one side, Pittsburgh on the other, and Alabama in the middle.

Nah, Texas has more influence, because the textbook publishers know that at least some of their customers in Texas know how to read - and I'm talking about the teachers.

Steve MB 04-04-2012 06:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mhendo (Post 14931541)
Right.

The information itself was incorrect, which means that his comments were a result of:

1) being misinformed by his aides and advisers,
2) his own misunderstanding of something that he read or was told, or
3) a deliberate decision to disseminate false information.

With Santorum, number 3 seems more likely than not.

The list is incomplete; it should read:

1) being misinformed by his aides and advisers and
1a) believing the misinformation because he has a monodigital IQ, or
2) his own misunderstanding of something that he read or was told and
2a) being too busy wiping drool off himself to realize "hey, that can't be right", or
3) a deliberate decision to disseminate false information.

Logical grouping: (1 AND 1a) OR (2 AND 2a) OR 3

Gyrate 04-04-2012 06:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vivalostwages (Post 14932010)
mhendo practices classic brainwashing techniques: imprisonment, isolation, sensory deprivation or overstimulation, drugs, and a constant stream of propaganda.

Sounds like a typical fraternity pledge week.

MOIDALIZE 04-04-2012 10:17 AM

You guys have it all wrong. Santorum didn't decide to deliberately spread false information. That would imply that Santorum knew the information he was spreading was factually untrue, but spread it anyway in an attempt to hornswoggle people, which is called lying. But even though he's a conservative hack politician, that doesn't mean he's so nefarious as to pathologically lie about the most minor things. No, what he's doing is bullshitting. Once he hears a little nugget of untruth like "California universities don't teach American history," he could fact check it, but he doesn't actually care whether it's true or not. He just knows that it will whip the rubes at his campaign stops into a frenzy.

Gyrate 04-04-2012 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MOIDALIZE (Post 14933960)
You guys have it all wrong. Santorum didn't decide to deliberately spread false information. That would imply that Santorum knew the information he was spreading was factually untrue, but spread it anyway in an attempt to hornswoggle people, which is called lying. But even though he's a conservative hack politician, that doesn't mean he's so nefarious as to pathologically lie about the most minor things. No, what he's doing is bullshitting. Once he hears a little nugget of untruth like "California universities don't teach American history," he could fact check it, but he doesn't actually care whether it's true or not. He just knows that it will whip the rubes at his campaign stops into a frenzy.

Truthiness

Lamar Mundane 04-04-2012 05:30 PM

Fox News anchor (not a commentator, but a straight news anchor) Heather Childers tweeted this: Did Obama threaten Chelsea Clinton's life 2 keep parents silent? Godfather politics. She provided a link to a crazy conspiracy theory story that includes references to Joe Arpaio. The story ends with this:
Quote:

When you see how blatantly Obama has defied the US Constitution and federal law without any apology or excuses, itís not hard to believe that he, like every other dictator in history, obtained his position by intimidation, threats and outright violence. Knowing he is capable of this has to make every single American extremely fearful if Obama gets re-elected.

And if the voter fraud will be as prevalent in November as it was in 2008, it seems a sure thing that he will be re-elected. Obama has had the DOJ strike down every voter ID law and any other measure taken, to reduce the chance of voter fraud. They have set the stage for an old fashioned Chicago style election with padded and illegal votes. Wait a minute, he is a Chicago politician, so guess heís just following local history at a national level.

If he does get re-elected, Iím positive it will mean the end of free elections and free America. We will become another Soviet Union: a land run by an elite group of Marxists who will exploit all of the people for their own personal gain. America, for all intent and purpose will be dead if Obama gets re-elected.
http://godfatherpolitics.com/4506/ob...NslxbU.twitter

jayjay 04-04-2012 05:45 PM

Good lord...did they pressure-inject the peroxide at her last bleaching? That sounds more like something the bum in the bus station bathroom rants about instead of a Fox News...wait. Sorry...it DOES sound like a Fox News story...

Jack Batty 04-04-2012 05:50 PM

I couldn't get through the whole thing.

FEMA camps. Please tell me there were FEMA camps.

Fear Itself 04-04-2012 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamar Mundane (Post 14935494)
Fox News anchor (not a commentator, but a straight news anchor) Heather Childers tweeted this: Did Obama threaten Chelsea Clinton's life 2 keep parents silent? Godfather politics. She provided a link to a crazy conspiracy theory story that includes references to Joe Arpaio. The story ends with this:

Well, there is one thing she is right about: the voter fraud will be as prevalent in November as it was in 2008,

a35362 04-04-2012 06:34 PM

How much longer is Chicago going to be Ground Zero for Election Day shenanigans? You'd think the state of Florida would have elbowed its way into the top spot by now.

elucidator 04-04-2012 06:45 PM

I quite take your point, but only wonder if "elbow" is the precise anatomical metaphor?

ElvisL1ves 04-04-2012 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by a35362 (Post 14935724)
How much longer is Chicago going to be Ground Zero for Election Day shenanigans?

As long as the Kenyan Muslim Socialist Prezdit is from there (never mind, keep going), you're going to keep hearing about it. Unless the bitch queen, who's from there originally too, replaces him.

So, 4.8-12.8 years, give or take.

user_hostile 04-04-2012 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jayjay (Post 14935549)
Good lord...did they pressure-inject the peroxide at her last bleaching? That sounds more like something the bum in the bus station bathroom rants about instead of a Fox News...wait. Sorry...it DOES sound like a Fox News story...

When you look into Heather's eyes--you can see the soul of Michelle Bachmann.

jayjay 04-04-2012 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by user_hostile (Post 14935877)
When you look into Heather's eyes--you can see the soul of Michelle Bachmann.

I checked my dictionary. That's the picture beside the entry for "vacant".

John DiFool 04-04-2012 09:58 PM

Obligatory Sex Pistols video of "Pretty Vacant".

bup 04-05-2012 08:25 AM

That's a real look, isn't it? Michele Bachmann has it, Calista Gingrich has it...seriously, is it a result of plastic surgery? Where does that uncanny-valley smile and eye-popping-but-not-registering stare come from?

Jack Batty 04-05-2012 08:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bup (Post 14936973)
Where does that uncanny-valley smile and eye-popping-but-not-registering stare come from?

Probably as a result of the lump of skin balled up at the back of their heads.

Jenaroph 04-05-2012 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lamar Mundane (Post 14935494)
Fox News anchor (not a commentator, but a straight news anchor) Heather Childers tweeted this: Did Obama threaten Chelsea Clinton's life 2 keep parents silent? Godfather politics. She provided a link to a crazy conspiracy theory story that includes references to Joe Arpaio. The story ends with this:


http://godfatherpolitics.com/4506/ob...NslxbU.twitter

Damn, sounds like everything she drinks has Kool-Aid in it.

Rhythmdvl 04-05-2012 10:27 AM

Positive proof the woman in the video is evil:

She was an executive producer for Jack and Jill.

elucidator 04-05-2012 05:14 PM

You're making that up! Which is cool, because, like me, you are an Avenger, and its your job. However, if you aren't, that's even cooler, so a friendly "cite?" is offered, in the interest of karma-positive gloating.

kaylasdad99 04-05-2012 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack Batty (Post 14935562)
I couldn't get through the whole thing.

FEMA camps. Please tell me there were FEMA camps.

Sorry. Not until the reader comments. And even then it wasn't clear that the reader was taking the article seriously.

Kevbo 04-06-2012 03:04 PM

Mitt Romney tries to portray President Obama as being out of touch:
“We have a president, who I think is a nice guy, but he spent too much time at Harvard,”

Obama received one degree from Harvard. Spent three years there.

Romney received two advanced degrees and spent 4 years at, of all places, Harvard. He thought well enough of it that he also sent a couple of his sons to study there.

Harvard education only makes you an out of touch elitist if you are a Democrat it seems.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...ByxS_blog.html

mhendo 04-06-2012 03:18 PM

This is well-worn schtick for Romney.

Last time he went after the Republican nomination, he made a habit of complaining about "eastern elites."

Sorry, douchebag, but when you have two advanced degrees from Harvard, when you founded and ran a Boston-based financial corporation, when you served as governor of Massachusetts, and when you are worth about a quarter of a billion dollars, you don't get to complain about "eastern elites."

Except, i guess you do, because there are apparently a load of Republican voters who are happy to swallow that shit.

Really Not All That Bright 04-06-2012 07:16 PM

Well, not really. Republicans seem decidedly nonplussed about swallowing his shit.

Boyo Jim 04-06-2012 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Really Not All That Bright (Post 14941719)
Well, not really. Republicans seem decidedly nonplussed about swallowing his shit.

But they will swallow his shit, and go to the polls and vote for him in November.

kaylasdad99 04-06-2012 07:42 PM

Long as he doesn't win, I'm happy to see him spending hundreds of millions of dollars for no return.

Really Not All That Bright 04-06-2012 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boyo Jim (Post 14941725)
But they will swallow his shit, and go to the polls and vote for him in November.

Yeah, but they're not happy about it.

madmonk28 04-07-2012 02:05 AM

Yeah, but when are conserviatives happy about anything? They are the whiniest bunch of assholes on the planet.

Rhythmdvl 04-07-2012 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmonk28 (Post 14942419)
Yeah, but when are conserviatives happy about anything? They are the whiniest bunch of assholes on the planet.

Worse than Emo kids?!


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