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Treppenwitz 06-19-2019 10:32 AM

Which hit single was most dependent on a sample?
 
A month or two ago a decades old legal row was resolved when Mick Jagger and Keith Richards signed over all their publishing for Bitter Sweet Symphony to Richard Ashcroft. Up until that point the song was credited to Jagger/Richards for use of a sample from Andrew Oldham Orchestra's version of The Last Time in a song which was otherwise created by Ashcroft/The Verve.

Bittersweet Symphony - The Verve
The Last Time - Andrew Oldham Orchestra (sampled)

Whatever the rights and wrongs of the situation, there is no doubt that the sample is a significant part of the song. Which got me thinking - which hit single (or for that matter, I guess, non-hit) was most dependent on a sample?

This is the other example that springs immediately to my mind:

Rockafeller Skank - Fatboy Slim
Sliced Tomatoes - The Just Brothers (sampled)

So: what others do we have? (A link to song and sample for each example would be nice.)

j

(Utterly irrelevant aside: when Trep junior was a youth footballer, he played against a Brighton side that was sponsored by Fatboy Slim, and featured his logo on their kit. So hats off to the fella for supporting sport for kids in the community!)

manson1972 06-19-2019 10:37 AM

Ice, Ice Baby.

Terminus Est 06-19-2019 10:48 AM

I was going to come in here to mention "Bittersweet Symphony", only to see that OP already took care of it. So I'll go with:

Gangsta's Paradise - Coolio
Pastime Paradise - Stevie Wonder (sample)

Darren Garrison 06-19-2019 10:56 AM

Two that come to mind:


Forget-Me-Nots/Men in Black.



Pure Energy. (Clip of Spock.)

Helmut Doork 06-19-2019 11:00 AM

Personally, I don't think Bittersweet Symphony would be an example, it is lyrically a very well written song that would have been a hit if acapella, or with totally different music, ala Gary Jules' Mad World.

Telemark 06-19-2019 11:00 AM

All Summer Long - Kid Rock
Werewolves of London - Warren Zevon
Sweet Home Alabama - Lynyrd Skynyrd

Helmut Doork 06-19-2019 11:15 AM

I would say a 100-way tie with almost every one-off rap song in the 80's and 90's? It Takes Two- Rob Base, Knockin' Boots- Candyman, Cantaloop- Us3, Rebirth of Slick- Digable Planets, etc. etc. and dozens of others that take a well known quality song and hook and pair it with limp lyrics- like taking the Mona Lisa, adding some houses in the background and calling it your own.

Maybe the best example would be Pump up the Volume By MARRS, which I believe has no original content at all and like 100 samples, but at least there is creativity at work here.

KneadToKnow 06-19-2019 11:31 AM

"Rapper's Delight", which sampled Chic's "Good Times".

garygnu 06-19-2019 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manson1972 (Post 21705510)
Ice, Ice Baby.

Wasn't that closer to a straight ripoff, not a sample? The hook from "Under Pressure" wasn't taken directly from the original recording, and her tried to add a note or something to claim it wasn't the same.

"Can't Touch This" is my vote.

Jonathan Chance 06-19-2019 11:36 AM

I'm just astonished that dude from Verve won a songwriting award. Man, what will they think of next?

Helmut Doork 06-19-2019 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garygnu (Post 21705680)
Wasn't that closer to a straight ripoff, not a sample?

Is there a difference?;)

manson1972 06-19-2019 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by garygnu (Post 21705680)
Wasn't that closer to a straight ripoff, not a sample? The hook from "Under Pressure" wasn't taken directly from the original recording, and her tried to add a note or something to claim it wasn't the same.

"Can't Touch This" is my vote.

"Can't Touch This" would be my second choice.

The wind of my soul 06-19-2019 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Helmut Doork (Post 21705566)
Personally, I don't think Bittersweet Symphony would be an example, it is lyrically a very well written song that would have been a hit if acapella, or with totally different music, ala Gary Jules' Mad World.

Personal opinion #1: I disagree, I think the sampling makes the song.

Personal opinion #2: I'm having so much fun learning new things in this thread that I kinda wish the question asked was not "which hit single was most dependent on a sample?" but simply "which hit single used which sample?". Maybe the thread will go that way anyways.

LC Strawhouse 06-19-2019 11:46 AM

How soon we forget Jive Bunny and the Mastermixers:
https://youtu.be/aoi5sVsJqCY

Helmut Doork 06-19-2019 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The wind of my soul (Post 21705706)
Personal opinion #1: I disagree, I think the sampling makes the song.

Personal opinion #2: I'm having so much fun learning new things in this thread that I kinda wish the question asked was not "which hit single was most dependent on a sample?" but simply "which hit single used which sample?". Maybe the thread will go that way anyways.

The orchestral backing is definitely a huge part of the song, but I think with a little work they could have come up with a similar track that would have been almost as good, and not gotten 100% (!) of their royalties taking away for twenty years:eek:

BTW, youtube is of course an excellent source for everything, but especially for this- tons of best samples, worst samples, songs you didn't know were samples, etc.

One of my fav rarities, the famous opening from Bust a Move is from the song Found A Child from the criminally unknown band Ballin' Jack:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2sQ5AReoVg

Sparky812 06-19-2019 11:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telemark (Post 21705568)
All Summer Long - Kid Rock
Werewolves of London - Warren Zevon
Sweet Home Alabama - Lynyrd Skynyrd

You missed the obvious Kid Rock sing though...

"American Bad Ass" - Kid Rock
"Sad but True" - Metallica

He basically just raps over the Metallica riffs and song structure.

EinsteinsHund 06-19-2019 11:55 AM

You can (or better, could, nobody except superstars like Kanye West today have the means to clear all their samples) be so very creative using samples (just listen to the Beastie Boys' and the Dust Brother's "Paul's Boutique", an album consisting of hundreds of samples so cleverly compiled and composed into something new that it has a natural flow). But when someone just uses the whole instrumental backing of a song and lays over new lyrics/rapping, that's just lazy. Prominent examples:

I'll Be Missing You - Puff Daddy (the Police's Every Breath You Take)

Come With Me - Puff Daddy (Led Zep's Kashmir)

kenobi 65 06-19-2019 12:11 PM

House of Pain's "Jump Around" is built around three samples:
- The opening horn fanfare is sampled from Bob & Earl's "Harlem Shuffle"
- The melody is built around a sample of Chubby Checker's "Popeye the Hitchhiker"
- The squealing horn in the verses is likely a sample, though from where is subject to debate. The most likely sources appear to be either Junior Walker & the All Stars' "Shoot Your Shot," or Prince's "Gett Off," and members of House of Pain appear to have given conflicting answers to the question. (If the source is Prince, it's not a horn at all, but Prince's voice.)

Jump Around
Harlem Shuffle
Popeye the Hitchhiker
Shoot your Shot
Gett Off

Telemark 06-19-2019 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparky812 (Post 21705743)
He basically just raps over the Metallica riffs and song structure.

Was that a hit, though?

actualliberalnotoneofthose 06-19-2019 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Telemark (Post 21705805)
Was that a hit, though?

While American Badass was only a minor rock radio hit, it was the lead (only new?) single from the 2 million selling Kid Rock compilation release and pretty much inescapable if you listened to rock music circa 2000.

ZipperJJ 06-19-2019 02:32 PM

The aforementioned "I'll Be Missing You" and "U Can't Touch This" are two of the biggest hits that come to mind for me.

And I agree that samples can be wonderful and creative af (I think "Jump Around" is a creative mix), but those two examples strike me as quite lazy.

RickJay 06-19-2019 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manson1972 (Post 21705510)
Ice, Ice Baby.

Thread should have been closed right here.

GargoyleWB 06-19-2019 03:52 PM

Tone Loc's Wild Thing rests heavily on the sampled Alex Van Halen drum roll riff.

burpo the wonder mutt 06-19-2019 04:29 PM

What was the Beastie Boys song that ripped off Zeppelin's, "The Ocean"?

Darth Sensitive 06-19-2019 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The wind of my soul (Post 21705706)
Personal opinion #1: I disagree, I think the sampling makes the song.

Personal opinion #2: I'm having so much fun learning new things in this thread that I kinda wish the question asked was not "which hit single was most dependent on a sample?" but simply "which hit single used which sample?". Maybe the thread will go that way anyways.

Go try out WhoSampled.com

EinsteinsHund 06-19-2019 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by burpo the wonder mutt (Post 21706421)
What was the Beastie Boys song that ripped off Zeppelin's, "The Ocean"?

She's Crafty. The Beasties had a soft spot for Led Zep.

ETA: Not mentioned in the article: The drum lead into What Comes Round is from Moby Dick. Not that Led Zep ever ripped somebody off....

burpo the wonder mutt 06-19-2019 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by EinsteinsHund (Post 21706437)
<snip> Not that Led Zep ever ripped somebody off.... <snip>

Heaven forfend. :)

Did the Beasties' "You Gotta Fight (For Your Right)" or "Girls" have sampling in them?

RealityChuck 06-19-2019 05:07 PM

Winner and still champion even after 60 years: The Flying Saucer. It samples from 17 songs of the time, and reached number 3. Without the sampling, the song does not exist.

Here's the song.

burpo the wonder mutt 06-19-2019 05:15 PM

^ Oh, no! that's Dickie Goodman, who had some hits in the early '70s (like "Mr. Jaws") using the same technique.

You're a monster, Chuck! :D

msmith537 06-20-2019 06:11 AM

Symphonies - Dan Black / Kid Cudi samples the soundtrack to the film "Starman".

simster 06-20-2019 09:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RealityChuck (Post 21706506)
Winner and still champion even after 60 years: The Flying Saucer. It samples from 17 songs of the time, and reached number 3. Without the sampling, the song does not exist.

Here's the song.

I wouldn't call that sampling tho - not in the same sense as the aforementioned IceIceBaby and others that try and 'hide' the samples as their own -

Kamino Neko 06-20-2019 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by simster (Post 21707681)
I wouldn't call that sampling tho - not in the same sense as the aforementioned IceIceBaby and others that try and 'hide' the samples as their own -

1) As mentioned, Ice Ice Baby's riff is not a sample, it's a plain ripoff of Under Pressure, but one that was played 'fresh'.

2) 'Sample' does not mean 'ripoff'.

DCnDC 06-20-2019 10:37 AM

Just FYI: If we're talking hip-hop, be aware that almost 100% of every hip-hop song ever produced is built on one of just ten major "break beats": https://www.whosampled.com/news/2010...s-of-all-time/

Sir T-Cups 06-20-2019 10:50 AM

Pretty much everything from WIll Smith.

Not just the aforementioned MiB, but also Wild Wild West and more.

Does anyone remember that song that was almost a beat-for-beat ripoff of "Ignition", but didn't sample it. All it did was mirror the tone almost exactly.

msmith537 06-22-2019 09:32 AM

Sample also doesn't have to mean "another song".

Me So Horney - 2 Live Crew

Joker and Rafterman meet a prostitute - Full Metal Jacket

Hampshire 06-22-2019 11:15 AM

I donít think the EMF song unbelievable would have been much of a song without the Andrew Dice Clay samples.


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