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Old 06-11-2019, 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by WillFarnaby View Post
Was Martin committing crimes against person or property while he was being pursued by an armed Zimmerman?
No, Martin wasn't committing any crimes while Zimmerman was pursuing him. That came later.
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Perhaps you can summarize the evidence which say Iím wrong.
OK.
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Originally Posted by WillFarnaby
I agree that Zimmerman should be held responsible for Martinís death because he stalked and killed an unarmed individual who was not committing aggression against person or property.
A summary of the evidence that Martin was committing aggression against Zimmerman would include that Martin punched Zimmerman in the face (evidence: marks on Martin's knuckles consistent with having punched someone, Zimmerman's facial injuries, lack of any damage to Martin apart from the single gunshot wound), Martin knocked Zimmerman down and sat on his chest bashing his head on the ground (evidence: lacerations to Zimmerman's head, grass stains and moisture on Zimmerman's back and Martin's knees, witness testimony stating that Martin was on top of Zimmerman), and that Martin did so because Zimmerman asked him "what are you doing around here" (evidence: Dee Dee's testimony on what she heard Martin and Zimmerman say to each other).
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I watched Zimmermanís walkthrough of the crime scene at one point and from his perspective he had no legitimate reason to pursue Martin.
From Zimmerman's perspective, his reason to follow Martin was that there had been multiple break-ins in the neighborhood and at least one shooting, and Zimmerman was the neighborhood watch.

If by "legitimate" you mean "legal", it is legal to follow someone and to ask what they are doing. Trials are about what's legal. Thus following somebody is legal, attacking them and smashing their head into the ground is not.

Regards,
Shodan