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Old 08-01-2019, 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by King of the Americas View Post
On that note, Overton Love, a Chickasaw Amerindian, owned over 5000 acres...until the Dawes Act.
Sure; in the 19th century. He was born in 1823.

Your claim that this document from the late 1800's proves something about land ownership 400 years earlier is enough in itself to disqualify any thesis containing it from serious consideration.

Originally Posted by King of the Americas View Post
Within the scope of that exercise, we 'could' have looked for the location of the actual house...examine the area for historical context...ask Why did these people have these items, what place or function did they have or serve in their society.
Before you could do any of that, you would still need a list of those items and who had them. How could you ask why they had the items or what function they served without first asking what they were?

You seem to be very annoyed that you were expected to help do the necessary background work that must be done before it's possible to do anything else useful with the information,

Originally Posted by King of the Americas View Post
Fluvial fields...terraforming raised gardens to help with irrigation. They are ancient, massive, and largely unused today.
Yes, people in various places have been using terraces (which is not "terraforming") and irrigation systems for a very long time. Yes, although some of them are still in use, some of them have fallen into disrepair, whether because the disparate cultures which built them collapsed or were conquered and the terraces were abandoned, or because the small terrace areas don't work with standard modern farming techniques. Yes, such small scale handwork farming can be highly productive.

No, they are not rectangular! Such terrace systems by their very nature have to follow the contours of the land in the particular place in which they're built. They are extremely site-specific. Nobody took a rectangular template and used it in all the multiple cultures that went in for terraces. That would just plain not have worked.

The fields are going to be similar sizes and shapes because the humans who built and who work/ed in them are similar sizes and shapes, and because building terraces on steep slopes follows the same laws of physics. You could just as well say that because the interiors of large numbers of rooms all over the world fall into a similar height range that this must have been ordained by an overall society, as opposed to having to do with the height of the people using them.

-- and while some terrace systems were irrigated, the terraces aren't there primarily to make the irrigation work. Some ancient irrigation systems worked with terraces, others didn't. Terrace systems are used on steep hillsides, to keep the soil in place and allow building fertile soil, and thereby make it possible to cultivate areas that are unfarmable if left in their natural steep slope.

The fact that people in various places in which the terrain's suitable for terrace farming had this same bright idea doesn't mean that they were part of the same top-down culture telling farmers to do this. It means that over millennia there have been a lot of smart farmers in various places in the world. There may at some points have been some communication; but communication between different societies, without their all turning into the same society, is -- or at least used to be -- a very common thing.