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07-31-2019, 01:07 AM
 Guest Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: London Posts: 538
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 Originally Posted by Max S. Loans create M1 money, assuming the funds are allocated to a checkable account. k9bfriender's cite seems to mean M1 money when they say "money". Below is an example. You can see M1 expand when loans are made in steps 2 and 5, while it shrinks when deposits are made (to savings accounts) in steps 1 and 4. It also shrinks when a loan is repaid in step 9. Code: ```step Bank Joe Bob Sue desc 0 100 200 0 0 Nobody owes anybody anything ---- ---- ---- --- 100 200 0 0 = 300 total money supply (M1: 200) 1 110 100 0 0 Joe deposits 100 in bank -100 +100 (bank liable to Joe for 100) ---- ---- ---- --- 100 200 0 0 = 300 total money supply (M1: 100) 2 150 100 0 50 Bank loans Sue 50 -100 +100 (bank liable to Joe for 100) + 50 -50 (Sue liable to bank for 50) ---- ---- ---- --- 100 200 0 0 = 300 total money supply (M1: 150) 3 150 120 10 20 Sue pays Bob 10 and Joe 20 -100 +100 (bank liable to Joe for 100) + 50 -50 (Sue liable to bank for 50) ---- ---- ---- --- 100 220 10 -30 = 300 total money supply (M1: 150) 4 180 100 0 20 Joe deposits 20; Bob deposits 10 -120 +120 (bank liable to Joe for 120) + 50 -50 (Sue liable to bank for 50) - 10 + 10 (bank liable to Bob for 10) ---- ---- ---- --- 100 220 10 -30 = 300 total money supply (M1: 120) 5 80 100 100 20 Bank loans Bob 100 -120 +120 (bank liable to Joe for 120) + 50 -50 (Sue liable to bank for 50) - 10 + 10 (bank liable to Bob for 10) +100 -100 (Bob liable to bank for 100) ---- ---- ---- --- 100 220 10 -30 = 300 total money supply (M1: 220) 6 80 100 100 20 Bank adds 2% interest to Joe's account -122.4 +122.4 (bank liable to Joe for 126) + 50 -50 (Sue liable to bank for 50) - 10 + 10 (bank liable to Bob for 10) +100 -100 (Bob liable to bank for 100) ------ ------ ---- --- 97.6 222.4 10 -30 = 300 total money supply (M1: 220) 7 80 100 100 20 Bank adds 6% interest to Sue's loan -122.4 +122.4 (bank liable to Joe for 126) + 53 -53 (Sue liable to bank for 50) - 10 + 10 (bank liable to Bob for 10) +100 -100 (Bob liable to bank for 100) ------ ------ ---- --- 100.6 222.4 10 -33 = 300 total money supply (M1: 220) 8 80 100 5 115 Bob pays Sue 95 -122.4 +122.4 (bank liable to Joe for 126) + 53 -53 (Sue liable to bank for 50) - 10 + 10 (bank liable to Bob for 10) +100 -100 (Bob liable to bank for 100) ------ ------ ---- --- 100.6 222.4 -85 62 = 300 total money supply (M1: 220) 9 133 100 5 62 Sue pays off her loan -122.4 +122.4 (bank liable to Joe for 126) - 10 + 10 (bank liable to Bob for 10) +100 -100 (Bob liable to bank for 100) ------ ------ ---- --- 100.6 222.4 -85 62 = 300 total money supply (M1: 167)``` ~Max
Hi Max,

Thanks. I think I followed most of that. A few comments:

1) I think at times you're example is looking at the version of m0 measure of money supply which doesn't include bank deposits, and referring to it as m1.

2) m1 includes both currency and demand deposits. So the act of depositing cash into a bank account increases the amount of demand deposits, but doesn't move the m1 measure of money supply.

3) Interest charges aren't part of the money supply, and at a transactional level don't cause it to move up and down.