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Old 09-12-2019, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Baron Greenback View Post
Thanks UDS, your contributions in the various Brexit threads have been, and continue to be, invaluable to this somewhat bemused and befuddled poster.
Originally Posted by Snowboarder Bo View Post
Aye; add me to that compliment, please.
Originally Posted by DrDeth View Post
I concur.
I blush becomingly. Thanks, guys.

Originally Posted by Baron Greenback View Post
UDS- other than racism and xenophilia, why do so many British people want to Brexit?
In my view, a few factors. In no particular order:

Austerity: Since 2008, the UK has been a fairly depressing place for a lot of people. Not miserable; just persistently glum, real wages stagnating, low-grade employment abounding, growing inequality, public services contracting and deteriorating sense that things are getting better or are going to be. People want a change, and this looks like a change.

Rebellious gesture: Also, people want to express dissatisfaction, and this looks like an opportunity to express dissatisfaction by kicking the political and cultural establishment in the nuts. This factor probably explains why people don't feel the need to examine too closely whether the change effected by Brexit is the kind of change that is going to address the factors that make their world joyless. (Hint: it isn't.)

Nostalgia: Much Brexiter rhetoric is incredibly nostalgic, looking back to times when, they like to think, the UK was a much more signficant, and a much more confident, country than it is today. People would like to recapture some of that.

Widespread profound ignorance about what the EU is, what it does, why it does it and how it does it: Although the UK has been a member for going on 50 years now, popular culture and awareness has never really engaged with the reality of their participation in the Union, and perceptions of the EU are driven by a long-standing, deeply entrenched and frankly mendacious pejorative caricature of the EU in the popular media. This has had the effect not just of fostering antipathy to the EU but, rather seriously in the present context, giving people a wholly misleading idea of what leaving the EU will entail, and what it is or is not possible to acheive by leaving the EU.

It has often been noted that the UK decided to Brexit without any clear consensus on the reasons for doing so or the objects sought to be achieved by doing so, and that the disastrous progress of the project since that decision was taken is largely attributable to the fact that they sill haven't developed any kind of consensus about this. And the reason for this is that developing a pragmatic Brexit plan requires engagement with the reality of the EU and the UK's relationship to in it, and doing that requires letting go of the illusions and delusions they currently have about that, and it is psychologically very difficult to let go of illusions and delusions that you have already acted on, to your great cost and detriment. To be blunt, once you've sacrificed your children to Moloch, it's a very hard to admit to yourself that the whole Moloch thing is bogus.

Last edited by UDS; 09-12-2019 at 08:31 PM.