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Old 08-29-2019, 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Little Nemo View Post
My point is that it's obviously wrong to speak of unalienable rights while observing these rights don't exist in other countries. That's proof that these rights are, in fact, quite alienable.

And that's evidence of the bigger point. People don't have rights despite the government. We have rights because of our government. Government is the tool we collectively use to establish and protect our rights. Without government, we're just a mob of individuals who have no rights.
Do you think there is such a thing as "human rights"? Something such that a country like, North Korea, could violate?

Everyone starts with certain unalienable rights. The right to not be killed for example. Just because someone kills another person, doesn't mean they didn't possess that right, it means that someone violated their rights. That a right is violated does not mean that it never existed, though depending on circumstances one may not have the ability to enforce those rights.

In your view, people are subjects of the government. In the context of the US, the government is subject to the people.