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Old 03-25-2020, 10:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Sam Stone View Post
For a while, a lot of Democrats flipped on gun control. There was a period where even the Dems in this board were admitting that gun control was a losing issue, and subsequently agreeing that certain types of gun control were foolish.
I am no fan of guns but I have given up on pushing for gun control because it is a HUGE single-issue voting item (gun nuts are...well...nuts...positively freakish in their love of guns) and I think the country has other, deeper issues it needs to address. Does that make me a flipper on gun control?

Another period of clarity from Democrats came when they switched to being free traders. I think free trade may be even more accepted on the center left now than it is on the center-right But in the 70's and 80's free trade was a Republican idea, while the left fought for 'fair trade' to protect union workers and campaigned against foreign sweat shops and environmental standards.
This is Clintonian Third-Way politics. It is not liberals getting ok with it. It is the democratic party getting co-opted and moving to the right. There is precious little liberalness left in the democratic party these days. They give lip service to lefty notions but they rarely deliver.

Democrats also largely abandoned their support for industrial policy snd nationalization after Carter's deregulating of the airlines and trucking had the opposite effect that left-wing pundits and officials predicted, and after industrial planning in Britain and elsewhere failed. Sadly, Democrats seem to be moving back towards thinking they can plan and efficiently 'manage' the industrial economy. You can thank Bernie and the other hard lefties in congress for that.
I am not so sure that deregulating airlines has been a smashing success.

And Bernie does not want to nationalize anything except electric production that I am aware of. And electric utilities are already a weird hybrid of private and government run so hardly a stretch. Yes, you can see him advocate for nationalization of a lot of things in the 70's. Pretty sure he isn't pushing that now.
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