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Old 03-08-2011, 02:46 PM
Anisos is offline
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Ah… hello everyone, long time lurker here.
I was born in Greece and witnessed the insane way that Greece dealt with the “macedonian issue” in the early 90s. It was a time of huge demonstrations against Skopje (which is the way Greece liked to refer to FYROM/Macedonia at the time), “fear” that we would go to war with our northern neighbors (if you can imagine that…), and an amazingly homogeneous outlook towards the issue.
You have to understand that the modern Greek has been fed an amazing amount of propaganda through their schooling. I was fed all that as much as all average children growing up in Greece. Our books had anti-Turkish propaganda and produced an amazingly false picture of how Greece gained independence. For example… the role of the official church was entirely distorted to make it appear as a benefactor when it was not. Add on that the horrible Greek tendency of trying to walk forward while looking backwards. The Greek past for Greeks is EVERYTHING. We define ourselves by it, even though few have done any substantial reading about it.
The culture of argument with our perceived enemies is of grade school level. “Read a book”, “we taught you democracy” etc. Nationalists of all varieties that find everything emanating from Greece (one of my favorite modern Greek writers calls this the “Portokalos paradigm”, named after one of the main characters in that horrible movie “My big fat Greek wedding”) are quite popular. By the way, nationalism of this particular sort is found both in the left (and when I say left I mean members of the communist party, not some generic leftist) and right.
Antisemitism is everywhere. Even one of the brightest beacons of modern Greek history Mikis Theodorakis has become an antisemite of the worst kind.
Outsiders, and by that I mean the rest of the West (with which Greece never aligned entirely), are considered manipulators. For example consider a fake quote that was supposedly said by Kissinger in some kind of official meeting. This quote has been making the rounds for many years and is considered by many to be the final proof that the USA (and the Jews of course) are out to get us:
“The Greek people are anarchic and difficult to tame. For this reason we must strike deep into their cultural roots: Perhaps then we can force them to conform. I mean, of course, to strike at their language, their religion, their cultural and historical reserves, so that we can neutralize their ability to develop, to distinguish themselves, or to prevail; thereby removing them as an obstacle to our strategically vital plans in the Balkans, the Mediterranean, and the Middle East.”
This quote has been proven to be fake. The supposed primary source had no such quote. Finally, someone personally asked Kissinger if he had said such a thing. He denied it. Nevertheless this is still a popular quote and will probably be until the end of time.
This is the type of atmosphere that creates a person that will do anything possible to not allow Macedonians to name their country as they like to name it. It is amazing to me how much energy has been spent discussing this utterly ridiculous issue, how many otherwise respectable people has fallen in this trap, and how it simply wont go away.
My opinion is that they can call themselves whatever they like.