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Old 07-19-2019, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Machine Elf View Post
I think that (skimping on technical consultants) has almost always been a problem; for example, many movies feature aircraft with ridiculous thrust-to-weight ratios and otherworldly maneuverability. But another part is about using CGI for footage that you would never attempt to produce IRL because it would be too hazardous, in which case you think "that's gotta be CGI because they would never try to get that footage IRL." See e.g in the trailer at 0:38; there's no way they're going to hover a camera drone and then fly a real aircraft within a few feet of it at a closure rate of several hundred knots.

The scene at 1:42 (three aircraft hustling upriver at treetop level) is questionable, too. They are exhibiting vapor cones indicative of transonic speed, but they don't appear to be moving that fast. Not only that, but there's snow and ice all around, so it's a pretty cold day; there shouldn't be enough moisture in the air to make the super-dense vapor cones that are visible in this sequence.

In some cases you can have all the right parts and pieces and movements, but something just doesn't seem right, and it's really difficult for anyone to say exactly what the problem is. See e.g. in the trailer at 1:00, when the engines are coming up to afterburner and the flight control surfaces are all being checked for movement. Contrast this with the matching sequence in the early moments of the original movie (see here), and you can see what I mean. I can't articulate the differences, but I'd bet money that that scene in the new trailer is CGI.

Gladwell's book Blink covers this sort of thing, explaining why people can quickly make assessments like this, even when they can't explain why.
Despite using real planes for the flight sequences in the original, I never thought the aerial combat scenes were very good. The planes that were supposed to be fighting each other were way too close together. I always assumed that they did that for cinematography reasons; two planes in a shot, trying to maneuver relative to each other, is more exciting than one plane on its own. From what I've read about air combat, though, the planes never get that close to each other, even when using their guns rather than missiles.

There was also a scene, I think it was Maverick's first dogfight at the school, where they're (Maverick and the adversary/instructor) flying around the rock outcroppings out in the desert. Then everybody goes way up high, then back down, and Maverick gets dressed down for violating the minimum altitude. As a wise dog once said, it just don't add up.

Originally Posted by txtumbleweed View Post
Only negative... F-18's will never be as cool as the old swingwing Tomcats. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't turn down a ride in a Hornet, they are pretty little airplanes, but the Tomcat, well, I'll let a better write than I describe it:
There is a brief shot of an F-14 at the end of the trailer.