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Old 12-21-2019, 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by md2000 View Post
Also keep in mind that a lot of the gospels are writer embellishments and redactions long after the fact, to conform to the orthodoxy of the day. Whole "gospels" are dismissed as apocrypha because of doubtful authenticity and because they contradicted to dominant dogma at the time of the consolidation of church teachings around the Nicaean council. (Plus, many other works over the years were "updated" - consider that the reference to Jesus in the works of Josephus is generally believed to have been altered to suggest Josephus affirmed Jesus' divinity.
Actually, no. Mark and Matthew are based mostly on Q, and Q is thought to be more or less contemporary with Jesus. The Gospel of John was likely dictated to the Apostle John's followers when John was a very old man.

The other gospels were either duplicates or transparent forgeries, written at a late date. By the Council of Nicaea , they were quite aware of which 3 synoptic gospels showed up not too long after the Crucifixion.

It's very true that one mention of Jesus in Josephus was likely edited by some monk. However, there werent many copies of Josephus around. There were many copies of the Gospels, and what we have found from early scrolls (such as the Dead Sea Scrolls*) pretty closely match what we have now, with some minor translation and copiest errors, none of any substance.

The Council was in AD 325. Many scrolls dated earlier than that date have been found. Not to mention the Council didnt discuss the Gospels and apocrypha. Wiki "Biblical canon
Main article: Development of the Christian biblical canon
There is no record of any discussion of the biblical canon at the council.[79] The development of the biblical canon was nearly complete (with exceptions known as the Antilegomena, written texts whose authenticity or value is disputed) by the time the Muratorian fragment was written.[80]"...."Irenaeus (died c. 202) quotes and cites 21 books that would end up as part of the New Testament, ..."

So the canon was mostly set before the 2nd century ended.

Pretty much then, everything in your post is incorrect.

*mostly OT, not NT but similar scroll caches have been found- papyrus fragment, also known as P52" has the Gospel of John. Bodmer Papyrus II AD c200 has the epistle of Jude and the two epistles of Peter and earliest known copy of the Gospel according to the Luke and one of the earliest of the Gospel according to John. The A. Chester Beatty Papyri C AD200 has part of a codex of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, letters written by Paul: Romans, Hebrews, I and II Corinthians, Ephesians, Galatians, Philippians, Colossians, and I Thessalonians and contains the oldest known text of the Book of Revelation. and so forth.