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Old 11-22-2014, 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by brickbacon View Post
In a sense she has because we hear from Adnan.

On what grounds?
On the grounds that we now able to examine evidence without the police leading us down the garden path of their choosing.

Originally Posted by brickbacon View Post
Insufficient evidence is up to a jury (or a judge in limited circumstances), and they clearly disagreed in record time. You can't just get a new trial because you think you lawyer should have been better. Ineffective counsel is very hard to prove and has a pretty high bar.
This is not a case involving finding motives behind why the jury concluded what they concluded and how quickly they did so. Juries make mistakes. Legal counsel is sometimes incompetent. Judges often disinterested or over-worked. It's an imperfect system. Shining a new light on the evidence ought not include "but the jury thought he was guilty in record time!" as part of that evidence.

Originally Posted by brickbacon View Post
1. Jen's testimony
2. Hae's letter to Adnan about being controlling on which he wrote, "I'm going to kill".
3. Hae's diary
4. Adnan's prints on the map cover found in Hae's trunk which had the Leakin Park page torn out
5. The cell tower evidence showing his phone was in Leakin Park when she was likely buried
6. The Nisha call and the voice mail call
7. Adcock's testimony that Adnan lied about asking for a ride
8. Adnan's brother calling him a "masterful liar"
9. Cathy's testimony that Adnan received a call and was acting strange
10. The numerous holes in Adnan's account of where he was and why he did the things he did (eg. lending his car to Jay, calling Hae 3 times the night before she disappears, thinking Hae went to CA).
11. Adnan never trying to contact Hae again after the 13th.
12. He loans his car and cell phone to, and hangs out most of the day with Jay, a person who admits being an accessory to murder.
13. Hae being strangled, a very personal and inefficient way to kill someone
14. Hae likely going missing from the last place Adnan was, and a place Jay wouldn't be. Also that she wouldn't have stopped for just anyone before picking up her cousin.
15. Anonymous tipster with Asian accent fingers Adnan.
16. Yasser, Adnan's good friend states Adnan said if he ever killed his GF, he would dump her car in a lake or the woods.
17. Witnesses state Adnan asked Hae for a ride the day she disappeared.
18. Adnan essentially led a double life and has lots of experience lying convincingly.
19. Adnan has no credible alibi, plausible alternative theory of what happened, or desire to look for any exculpatory evidence.
20. Adnan, and AFAIK, only Adnan has motive, means, and opportunity to kill Hae.

I suppose no single numbered item above means he did it, but the totality of it all is very damning even absent Jay's testimony.
No single item above means he did it because there is a plausable and reasonable explanation for virtually all of them other than: therefore he did it. There is no trail of evidence based on above. It's a scatter plot. That the judge took so little interest in the case while hearing it is more concerning to me than what a jury of amateurs concluded in record time.

Originally Posted by brickbacon View Post
Or, maybe the phone was there. Honestly, do you think his lawyer was THAT bad? Don't you also think someone would have caught that at the time if it were true?
His lawyer seemed less than competent. The cops were busy building a case and had little motivation to include evidence that undermined that case.

Last edited by QuickSilver; 11-22-2014 at 10:54 AM.