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Old 07-26-2019, 10:17 PM
TonySinclair is offline
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Originally Posted by Little Nemo View Post
If we're arguing about whose ancestors were there first, I think it's a historical fact that the Jews were around before the Muslims.
True, but irrelevant. Muslims were not an ethnic group that moved into Palestine, any more than Catholics were an ethnic group that moved into France. The people in Palestine who converted to Islam were already living there.

If you believe the Bible stories, they were living there long before the Jews, or even the Israelites. However, scholarly consensus now seems to be that the Exodus and the conquest of Canaan by the Israelites never happened, they were just a subgroup of Canaanites who developed a distinct identity and religion. So at best, it's a tie.

But all of this is moot. Might makes right, that's the way it's always been, that's the way it still is. The Israelis were strong enough to drive the Palestinians out of what is now Israel, and are strong enough to hold it, especially with the unwavering support of the US. That's how they got it, that's why they'll keep it, that's why it's pointless to pretend that things that happened thousands of years ago matter, or that fairness matters. If the UN had wanted to be fair, they would have given the Jews some prime land in Germany.

Last edited by TonySinclair; 07-26-2019 at 10:19 PM.