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Old 10-07-2019, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Hari Seldon View Post
I think the VP has the right to preside, call on Senators to speak and enforce the rules. He has no power, AFAIK, to influence the agenda and certainly not to call a vote. Also he breaks ties. ... The senate sets its own rules that don't leave much space for the VP.
This looks to me, too, as likely to be the case.

That would make Chronos' objection to Biden unfair, as Chronos would be criticizing Biden for failing to do something Biden had no power to do.

Originally Posted by Chronos View Post
But I don't think he's the candidate we need. We need someone who will fight back against what the Republicans are doing, and I don't think he has it in him to do so. Why do I think this? Because he's already had opportunities to fight against them, and he passed those opportunities up.

Think of all of the perversions of democracy committed by Mitch McConnell, from 2008 to 2016. All of those things, McConnell only had the power to do, because Joe Biden decided to give him the power. Yes, I know that it's traditional for the President of the Senate to delegate those powers to the Senate Majority Leader. Lots of things are traditional, like the Senate holding votes. But the law is that the President Pro Tem presides over the Senate only when the President of the Senate does not. ...
As I said, I don't think this is correct. But, hypothetically, if it were correct, would Obama have signed on to his VP making an unprecedented power-play of this kind? Obama, who was at great pains to avoid terrifying that half of the country that would have freaked out at anything that even remotely looked like an Unprecedented Power Play?

Think of the flak Obama got for signing Executive Orders, and multiply it by a googolplex for headlines such as Obama's VP Tries to Take Control of Senate or Obama Admin. Makes Senate Takeover Bid.

It's not just that I don't think a VP has a legitimate path to doing what you condemn Biden for failing to do----it's that Biden would have had to defy his own president in order to even attempt it.

Last edited by Sherrerd; 10-07-2019 at 09:01 PM.