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Old 11-20-2014, 09:01 PM
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Early witness interviews aren't necessarily the same sort of animal as the later interviews that are used to construct final evidence. They're not necessarily treated like "rough drafts."
They don't have to be. If the cops influenced Jay's story, why did they report all inconsistencies. To do so makes no sense. Those notes and tapes could have easily "disappeared", but they didn't.

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And just because misbehavior isn't accomplished with perfect precision doesn't mean that it isn't misbehavior.
It's nowhere near perfect precision. Yes, there are corrupt cops, but there are very few corrupt, stupid cops who also take detailed, seemingly unaltered notes which document their corruption.

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There are things such as chains of evidence. It's not always possible to make evidence disappear easily after it has been created, especially if someone else already knows about it.
There are THEIR notes. Chain of evidence has nothing to do with it.

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None of this has anything to do with whether that's actually what happened in this case. It's just clear to me that the unrecorded interviews were unrecorded because the cops were helping Jay get his final story straight. Whether that final story was falsely constructed is a different issue, but the suspicion that this missing time creates is a reason that we shouldn't allow it.
You are basing this on nothing. More importantly, you wouldn't document the process if that is what you were doing.

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So maybe they already knew where it was when Jay was brought in, and they fed that information to Jay.
So they convinced Jay, a kid who doesn't trust cops, to implicate himself and make himself an accessory rather than have him just say Adnan told him where the car was?

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At this point my gut feeling is not to believe a single word of Jay's story. None of it. At all.
Do you think both Jenn and Chris are lying too?

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Another thing: Why, oh why, was Adnan not allowed to take the stand? He's charismatic, charming, believable and ready to insist on his innocence.
He'd be a terrible witness because he has no alibi, was caught lying, and the parts of his story he does remember sound like complete bullshit.

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Furthermore: No signs of violent or sociopathic behavior in prison for the fifteen years that he's been there.
Well, he is in jail with men. The environment is not as conducive for a guy who has murdered a woman.

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This is not a case where a victim is identifying an assailant. This is a case where a co conspirator has a constantly changing story, so I very much get worried that his testimony is really the only proof used to send someone to jail.
It's not the only proof.

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So overall, the case against Adnan is very weak and full of reasonable doubt.
Remember, the jury didn't hear everything we heard in the way we heard it.