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Old 02-29-2004, 07:47 PM
Exapno Mapcase Exapno Mapcase is offline
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This is getting into the realm of metaphysics rather than physics, but my understanding is that Mathochist is physically incorrect.

There is no way - even in principle - to precisely predict the outcome of a chaotic situation, i.e. one in which small changes in the original parameters lead to large changes in the results.

And the lottery example is a chaotic situation to an even greater extent than his pendulum example. No measurement can be made to sufficient precision to run a deterministic model of the events. And I don't see how QM can possibly be ignored. The precision needed to forecast the outcome would necessarily be such that QM uncertainty would confound the numbers.

I can't see how what Mathochist is saying is different from: if you take out everything that makes it indeterminable, it becomes determinable.

Can you try your explanation again?