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Old 04-26-2019, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bryan Ekers View Post
I don't know if Oakminster is a conservative by any conventional definition, but declaring the experiences of other liberal democracies as utterly irrelevant suggests a determined and unbecoming willful ignorance.
Sorry, but it IS irrelevant to these sorts of discussion. The thread is about what makes Dems left or far left...not where we compare to Europe. Why does it matter where Europe stands on an issue when we are talking about Americans and American voters? Again, does Europe use the US as it's yardstick? Answer...not a fucking chance. Canada doesn't use the US as it's yardstick either. Nor should they. Why should we? Answer...we shouldn't. And, frankly, most Americans (who aren't American members of this board) don't. They don't give a shit where our middle stacks up against Canada's whatever, or that our left wing is right wing in Europe. It's irrelevant. No one gives a shit. What matters is where it stacks up in our own system and with our own voters who, you know, actually vote in America.

Not sure why this seemingly simple and obvious thing is so difficult for people, or why there is this dual standard. I DO see willful ignorance in this, but it's not on this particular point wrt Oakminster.

That's what happens when you let rednecks play with anti-matter!

Last edited by XT; 04-26-2019 at 04:14 PM.