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Old 08-24-2019, 07:12 AM
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A Babylon Bee article was just cited in Great Debates, and rather than derail that thread, I decided to start a new one. The site is the Cargo Cult equivalent of humor and good writing written by the Far Right who think that they understand the concepts, but don't. For instance, in the cited article, on top of being loosely written and meandering all over the place they write:

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Vaping is a practice that has risen in popularity in recent years among full-grown adults who don’t mind appearing as though they’re sucking on tiny juice boxes throughout the day, like children.
A sentence that is almost well written, except that rather than allowing the audence to understand what is implied through subtext they have to raise to all the subtilty of pounding you in the head with a hammer by including "full-grown" and "like children." (Granted, their main audience is probably far too stupid to grasp subtlety.) Another example comes from this recent article, where the mentions of bad hygene and jazz hands contribute nothing to the story other than hammering the reader over the head. The writers at The Babylon Bee are incapable of telling lighting from a lightning bug.

This is on top of how many articles embrace right wing talking points, (those being links from just the top page) misogyny, and Creationism.
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Thank you for linking, not quoting. It streamlines your post and allows the readers to choose which chunks of idiocy appeal to them, which is none for me at the moment because I am half asleep, but I'll be back with loins girded, prepared to get mad at the writers.

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I saw that vaping article linked thru the vaping thread here. Low budget Onion, missing the biting satire and wit. A look at the side of the page and the other headlines and I thought: Holy shit, these guys really want to be the Onion. There's already an Onion, and they do it right.
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Mind linking the thread it was cited in?

Meh, I find the Babylon Bee amusing. It's not The Onion, but very few satirical sites are.
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https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...d.php?t=839269

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https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb...1#post21822841
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I don’t care for the Babylon Bee either. Every now and then I see someone quote an amusing article from them but what I’ve seen are mostly misses.
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Ouch. That was painful.

Here's on their lead articles: Ocasio-Cortez Proposes Counting White People's Ballots As Three-Fifths Of A Vote

The joke is pretty much all there in the headline. And it's comparing an actual historical policy that discriminated against black people with a parody policy about discriminating against white people. In order to remind people that white people are the real victims.

And just to drive the point home that prejudice never happens anymore, we have this:
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"Like, four or five times more or something, because 3/5ths is only like 10% of a real vote."

She then paused as she counted on her fingers and double-checked her math on her toes. "Yeah, it adds up. Case closed. This makes the program contain 247% fewer racisms."
Get it? She can't do math! She's really dumb!
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I respect their attempts to gore oxen on both left and right, though it's true their heart may be somewhat more in the left-goring. Not everyone can be The Onion. Hell, even The Onion isn't The Onion these days, According To Folks

This amuses me. Maybe I'm just easily amused.
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... Hell, even The Onion isn't The Onion these days, According To Folks
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"These days" points to a thread started 18 years ago.
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"These days" points to a thread started 18 years ago.
Sure thing. But I just knew I'd be able to find some curmudgeon on here talking about how some well-beloved humour site had all gone to shit and boom! Google Was My Friend. Guess I coulda gone for "Cracked" instead...
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Ugh, Cracked is AWFUL now.

I have to say, if the Onion articles alone would probably be the best thing about a Joe Biden presidency!
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Ugh, Cracked is AWFUL now.
Cracked was in a downward quality and financial spiral for a long time. One sure symptom of it was when they locked up the comments section (usually one of the funnest things about Cracked articles, even funner than the articles themselves) and allowed only paying subscribers to leave comments. That instantly dried up the comments and destroyed a good reason for their readership.
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"Snopes and other humorless media liberals hate the Babylon Bee and forget the purpose of satire"

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If Jonathan Swift wrote A Modest Proposal today, Snopes would fact-check it.
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The Babylon Bee is no Jonathan Swift. The Babylon Bee doesn't even rise to the satirical skills of Taylor Swift.
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If Jonathan Swift wrote A Modest Proposal today, Snopes would probably need to explain it because sheep would be sharing it on social media platforms and frothing about how offensive it is.
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As far as I can tell from clicking on the links in this thread and the site main page, they're just not very good at satire. The anti-Trump stuff isn't any better than the pro-Trump or anti-Democrat stuff. Just bad and lazy writing.
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I agree with that. But apparently if you don't appreciate it something something liberal media.
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If Jonathan Swift wrote A Modest Proposal today, Snopes would probably need to explain it because sheep would be sharing it on social media platforms and frothing about how offensive it is.
"today"? People were frothing about how offensive it was when he wrote it.

Technology may change. People generally don't.
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This is more a commentary on the intelligence of the typical Babylon Bee reader than it is on Snopes. The typical Onion reader doesn't need somebody to explain to him that the things he reads on the website aren't real.
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This is more a commentary on the intelligence of the typical Babylon Bee reader than it is on Snopes. The typical Onion reader doesn't need somebody to explain to him that the things he reads on the website aren't real.
Oh, you haven't seen the comments on The Onion's facebook page.
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The point isn't that Babylon Bee is as good as A Modest Proposal. Rather, both are examples of satire. Good grief, even that has to be explained.

As for claims that fact-checking satire is needed for readers of such, that makes no sense at all.
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It amuses me that it's the Washington Examiner running that story.
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The point isn't that Babylon Bee is as good as A Modest Proposal. Rather, both are examples of satire. Good grief, even that has to be explained.

As for claims that fact-checking satire is needed for readers of such, that makes no sense at all.
Not for those who read it on purpose, but for those who do things such as choose "Born in the USA" for their walk-in song or "Every Breath You Take" as their first dance... yep.
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As for claims that fact-checking satire is needed for readers of such, that makes no sense at all.
It's not needed for the people who read it intentionally, it's needed for all the people who clicked a link on Facebook, or didn't click a link and just read a headline.

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There's a dude here on the boards who totally bought an Onion story about Biden tearing shit up on his Harley, cussing and drinking with iirc Sarah freaking Palin on the back. Needless to say, that dude ain't the brightest bulb. That story even featured an obviously photoshopped picture.

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"today"? People were frothing about how offensive it was when he wrote it.

Technology may change. People generally don't.
Wrong. Everyone knows people have been getting stupider over time. It's a matter of dogmatic fact, and bringing up facts to the contrary merely proves you have no respect.

"Satire" being "Whatever blatant lies I can spread to get clicks, whether or not they're funny, just so long as I can accuse you of being humorless when you call me on it."
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These days, jokes are harder to get than a Christian cheerleader.
It would help if they weren't flat on their backs.
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The Bee seems to be an attempt by white evangelicals to be hip. They probably succeed, relative to white evangelicals generally, which probably suffices for them. Stories like:

https://babylonbee.com/news/chick-fi...owing-trumpets

and

https://babylonbee.com/news/jesus-ra...e-your-enemies

pretty much give the game away.
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Not for those who read it on purpose, but for those who do things such as choose "Born in the USA" for their walk-in song or "Every Breath You Take" as their first dance... yep.
In this case, you don't fact-check but just point out that it's a satire.
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It's not needed for the people who read it intentionally, it's needed for all the people who clicked a link on Facebook, or didn't click a link and just read a headline.
Anyone who reads it intentionally will either see it as fact or do something ridiculous like fact-check. Just say that it's made-up info meant to make fun of others.
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It's worth repeating that lies — and let's face it: "satire" is just another term for lie when it's humorless and intended to gull the dumb — degrades American discourse even if everyone figures out that they're lies!

Why? Because when lying is expected, truth no longer even seems truthy. It does no good to explain to FoxPotatoes that the cutesy blondes are lying at them: "Sure! They have to lie in self-defense. CNN lies, NBC lies, Everybody lies. I watch FoxNews because their lies are truthier."
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It's worth repeating that lies — and let's face it: "satire" is just another term for lie when it's humorless and intended to gull the dumb — degrades American discourse even if everyone figures out that they're lies!

Why? Because when lying is expected, truth no longer even seems truthy. It does no good to explain to FoxPotatoes that the cutesy blondes are lying at them: "Sure! They have to lie in self-defense. CNN lies, NBC lies, Everybody lies. I watch FoxNews because their lies are truthier."
Who decides what is humorless or not? Who decides who is dumb, and who decides on the measure for that? If the reader sees the satirical piece as humorous and is not dumb (which is probably why he saw the piece as humorous because he knows it's made-up), then is it still a lie? (Perhaps you meant an intentional lie?)
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