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Old 05-02-2019, 10:20 AM
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Which team do you support in this situation?


Assume a Premier League style competition, where after the last game of the season, the team/player who is at the top of the league is the winner straight away, no postseason playoffs or anything like that. If your preferred spot has a playoff system, for this thread pretend it doesn't. The rest of this will assume a team sport in the phrasing, but can equally apply to individuals.

Your most favourite team, Team A, ends the season in the middle of the pack. Whatever happens on the last game will not affect their position in any meaningful way.

The 2 teams that can win it are Team B and Team C. Team B is your teams most hated rival, team C is neutral.

The last game of the season matchups are Team B v Team Z and Team A v Team C.

It's virtually guaranteed that Team B will beat team Z, who are the punching bag of the league. If they do, and team C beat team A, team C win the championship. If B beat Z and C don't beat A, B wins the championship. Which side do you root for in the A v C match?
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Old 05-02-2019, 10:25 AM
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Okay, this OP was rather hard to parse and read, but I think I understand what you mean: It's a choice between seeing my favorite team win a game, but at the cost of seeing my most hated rival win the championship. In that situation, it's easy - I root against my favorite team. Since they're in the middle of the pack, a win means nothing.

So i root for Team C.
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Old 05-02-2019, 10:40 AM
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Cheering for team C is too much like encouraging throwing a game. Yeah I know the outcome doesn't actually depend on my support, but you don't strategically hope your team will lose, no matter what.

Which is why I don't have a team, I just have a ranked list of which teams I hate the more. Makes things easier, morally.
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Old 05-02-2019, 10:46 AM
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A similar, but not exact, situation happens in American football often. As a NY Giants fan, I hate the Dallas Cowboys and the Philadelphia Eagles, pretty much equally (and the Washington Redskins a little less so). The Cowboys and Eagles play twice a season, so I always pull for whichever team's win will help the Giants more. Given the Giants state lately, it usually doesn't matter, so I root for a meteor strike on whatever stadium the Cowboys and Eagles are playing. So in your hypothetical, I root for a meteor strike on B vs. Z, just so I don't have to root against A. That said, I would never actively and likely not even passively root against A, my team, but I might have moved onto the next sport on the calendar by this point. At the very least, while still supporting A, I wouldn't take my team losing very hard.
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Old 05-02-2019, 10:57 AM
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Cheering for team C is too much like encouraging throwing a game. Yeah I know the outcome doesn't actually depend on my support, but you don't strategically hope your team will lose, no matter what.
Speak for yourself. I've known many fans, especially of the NFL with its 16 regular season game schedule, who have actively wished for "their" team to lose more games in an already lost season, "to get the best draft pick".

I don't think I could bring myself to actively root against my favorite team while watching that final game, and especially not if I were physically present at the live game - but I would likely be avoiding following the game at all while hoping for a "C over A" outcome as the least unpleasant, and would not think any less of a fellow fan of A being less squeamish and rooting for a "C>A" result at the game.
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Old 05-02-2019, 11:04 AM
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I look at it differently, maybe because I’m an optimist, but I see it as a game where I’m happy either way. My team won? Yay! My team won! My team lost? Yay! They’re a spoiler for the rival I hate. Either result is good!

Of course you can look at it the opposite way, either result is bad. Your team loses, or your rival prospers. But why go into it with that mindset? I love watching a sporting event where I don’t have to stress out over the result. (You can do that the entire rest of the season.)
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Old 05-02-2019, 11:31 AM
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This kind of thing is fairly common. I think in most cases you stay uncertain about what you want and might even prefer losing... without being too vocal about it. The team does its sportly duty and the fans accept whatever the outcome is.

Man utd was in almost exactly this situation a couple of weeks ago. Playing man city, where a win could give the title to Liverpool. They did their best, but lost...I'm not sure their fans minded that much.

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Old 05-02-2019, 12:33 PM
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It's going to depend on how I feel about the people I know (friends, family, co-workers, etc.) who are fans of Team B: As fans, are they poor suckers who could use a break, or are they arrogant bastards who could stand to be taken down a peg?
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Old 05-02-2019, 12:54 PM
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It's going to depend on how I feel about the people I know (friends, family, co-workers, etc.) who are fans of Team B: As fans, are they poor suckers who could use a break, or are they arrogant bastards who could stand to be taken down a peg?
Yeah, but if you go "Second place. I guess there's always next year." to taunt them, they can easily counter with "Only reason we didn't win is that your team is so crappy."
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Old 05-02-2019, 01:45 PM
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Yeah, but if you go "Second place. I guess there's always next year." to taunt them, they can easily counter with "Only reason we didn't win is that your team is so crappy."
Which is BS. If their team was better they’d never have been in that situation. Another team losing is never the “only reason” you lost.
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Old 05-02-2019, 04:02 PM
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Team A, every time. Rooting against your own team just to "defeat" a rival is the realm of haters.
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Old 05-02-2019, 04:04 PM
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I don't want my team to throw the game, but I'm certainly not going to be sad if they lost. I'm silently rooting for Team C.
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Old 05-02-2019, 04:56 PM
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If my favorite team doesn't win the championship, I will be only somewhat more disappointed if my most hated rival wins. I would be even less disappointed if my favorite team had beaten the rival in head-to-head competition, even if the rival went on to the championship.
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It depends a bit on the rivalry - if team B is hated, but is genuinely the best, and wins a lot of championships, then it sort of softens the blow. You still hate the cunts, but it's business as usual.

For me, though, team B is Liverpool FC and they are not genuinely the best, haven't won the title for getting on 30 years, and are in the process of solidifying themselves as one of the textbook chokers in world sport. Bottlers, as we say in the UK. So you might say I am emotionally invested in seeing their failure come to pass, embedding itself deeper still in the club's DNA. Team C all day - there would honestly be people running onto the pitch or similar in this scenario if we were beating team C late in the game.

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Old 05-02-2019, 05:15 PM
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Team A because if they don't win the league, I don't give a fuck who does.
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Old 05-02-2019, 05:37 PM
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Team A because if they don't win the league, I don't give a fuck who does.
Same here.

I think the only situation where I would root against my own team is
1) We're already locked into a playoff spot and seed and nothing we do can change that.
2) If we lose, our rival doesn't make the playoffs.
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Old 05-02-2019, 06:43 PM
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A similar, but not exact, situation happens in American football often. As a NY Giants fan, I hate the Dallas Cowboys and the Philadelphia Eagles, pretty much equally (and the Washington Redskins a little less so). The Cowboys and Eagles play twice a season, so I always pull for whichever team's win will help the Giants more. Given the Giants state lately, it usually doesn't matter, so I root for a meteor strike on whatever stadium the Cowboys and Eagles are playing. So in your hypothetical, I root for a meteor strike on B vs. Z, just so I don't have to root against A. That said, I would never actively and likely not even passively root against A, my team, but I might have moved onto the next sport on the calendar by this point. At the very least, while still supporting A, I wouldn't take my team losing very hard.
I know the question isn’t about playoffs but I think certain scenarios are similar. I’m a Cowboys fan so let’s say the week 17 situation looks like this. The Cowboys and Seahawks are both 9-6 and competing for the second wildcard spot. The Giants are already out of it. The Cowboys played an early game and won, and now the Giants are playing the Seahawks. If the Seahawks win they get the second wildcard because the would win the tiebreaker. If the Giants win then Dallas goes to the playoffs. Who do you root for?

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Old 05-02-2019, 07:10 PM
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I know the question isn’t about playoffs but I think certain scenarios are similar. I’m a Cowboys fan so let’s say the week 17 situation looks like this. The Cowboys and Seahawks are both 9-6 and competing for the second wildcard spot. The Giants are already out of it. The Cowboys played an early game and won, and now the Giants are playing the Seahawks. If the Seahawks win they get the second wildcard because the would win the tiebreaker. If the Giants win then Dallas goes to the playoffs. Who do you root for?
Still root for the GIANTS, but I wouldn't be upset with a loss.
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Old 05-02-2019, 07:52 PM
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I root on individual games. If one of the teams in a game is on the list of Teams I Like, then I root for that team (or the one higher on the list, if they're both on the list). If one of the teams is on the list of Teams I Dislike, then I root for the other one. If neither of the teams is on either of my lists (a common occurrence, since my lists are short), only then do I look for other criteria, which might include geography (which part of the country do I like better?) or who I'm watching the game with (all else equal, I'll root for the same team as my friends). I suppose that in a game where I didn't care about either team, I might also choose a side based on giving my own team a more favorable position, but that'd probably only be if my decision were still tied after the friends and geography factors. And rooting based on giving a disliked team an unfavorable position would rank even lower yet.
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Old 05-02-2019, 09:09 PM
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One nice thing about college football (the US version) is that you often play your rival in the last week of the season. I'll never have this problem with Vanderbilt unless they move the Tennessee game.

I'd still cheer for my team regardless, but I can understand those who wouldn't in the privacy of their own home.
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Old 05-03-2019, 08:47 AM
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Man utd was in almost exactly this situation a couple of weeks ago. Playing man city, where a win could give the title to Liverpool. They did their best, but lost...I'm not sure their fans minded that much.
I understand a significant minority of Man U fans were rooting for Man City to win that one. Which, in my view, was stupid, because a win for Man U could have significantly increased their chances of qualifying for next season's Champions League, which is much more important than which other team wins the title. So not really close enough to the OP. Personally, as Man U fan I couldn't understand this attitude anyway - Man City are more local, have had more recent success, and are just as much hated rivals as Liverpool in my book. I'd far rather see Liverpool win the league this year.

In terms of the OP, I voted Team C.

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Same here.

I think the only situation where I would root against my own team is
1) We're already locked into a playoff spot and seed and nothing we do can change that.
2) If we lose, our rival doesn't make the playoffs.
That's basically the same situation as the OP, but you indicated you voted for Team A, which contradicts your post.
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Old 05-03-2019, 09:33 AM
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Root for my team. Always.
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Old 05-04-2019, 07:39 PM
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Oh, I should also mention that my team's rivals are not the same thing as the teams I dislike. Like, the Browns' primary rivalry is the Steelers, and given the choice, I'm absolutely, unambiguously, without hesitating, rooting for the Browns... but if the Browns aren't playing, then I'll also absolutely, unambiguously, without hesitating, root for the Steelers over anyone else.
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... so I root for a meteor strike on whatever stadium the Cowboys and Eagles are playing. ...
LOL I thought I was the only one who did that.

It never worked. The Steelers, Yankees and Michigan have yet to have been wiped out by such means. ;-)
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Maybe if the Steelers, Yankees, and Michigan all played against each other?

And this past Superbowl, a lot of people were rooting for the meteor, and that did sort of happen.
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You always want your team to win. What other teams do is unimportant.
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Old 05-06-2019, 09:44 AM
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I don't think I could watch my team, see them pull off a spectacularly successful play, and feel disappointed. What I want first and foremost is to have my team play well.

If they lose, the fact that it sticks it to my hated rival softens the blow quite a bit, though.
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This would be when I fall back on the "Fan of the sport" position. Watch the game, and enjoy all the good plays regardless of which team makes it*. Win or lose, A or C, the outcome still has its positives, and I personally end up having a lot more fun.



*It's like watching a Superbowl without the Patriots playing. I don't care who wins, as long as it's not the Patriots.
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Old 05-06-2019, 10:45 AM
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I don't hate teams.
I just want my guys to do well (and play attractively too if possible.)
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I’m currently in a sort of similar situation in real life. As a Spurs fan I ordinarily want Arsenal and Chelsea to lose every match they play. But if we win this week to advance to the Champions League final, I would actually like to see them advance to play each other in the Europa League final, just to rub it in!
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I’m currently in a sort of similar situation in real life. As a Spurs fan I ordinarily want Arsenal and Chelsea to lose every match they play. But if we win this week to advance to the Champions League final, I would actually like to see them advance to play each other in the Europa League final, just to rub it in!
If that were to happen though, you would be giving the gooners a chance at CL play next year, and also assuring one of them a European trophy, whilst Spurs would still be heavy outsiders against Barca.
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Yeah, I know it's a little irrational, but I think it would be funny. Of course whether they win or not doesn't affect Spurs' chances at all.
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Apparently I am not alone in this sentiment. A song I sang about 3000 choruses of at the pub:

Watching Tottenham on a Wednesday night
You play Thursday, cos you’re f*****g s***e
What a feeling, what a night!

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If you don't root for "your team" (Team A), then they aren't really "your team".
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