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As opposed to Gandhi (Mohandas?
That was the Jeopardy question. I got the wording off the reddit recap.

I'm surprised Non-violence was an acceptable answer. It's the way pacifists react to violence.

Maybe both answers would have been accepted. I don't know anything about Ahimsa. Never heard of him. I did know Gandhi was a pacifist.

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Old 06-02-2019, 08:54 AM
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He answered incorrectly 3 times today. He’s slipping.
The ‘James Train’ keeps rolling along. Though he did slip up a few times, he still won handily yesterday. He frequently blows away his competition.
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Old 06-02-2019, 11:28 AM
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Tomorrow's game will be historical. I expect him to break Ken Jenning's record then.
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Old 06-02-2019, 10:34 PM
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Since we're talking about a game that insists on precise wording, I will point out that nothing happening tomorrow can be historical. It can however be expected to be historic.
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Old 06-02-2019, 10:40 PM
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panache45 never said that it is historical, but that it will be. And there will indeed come a time when 3 Jun 2019 will be historical.
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LOL, so it was just a redundant statement that is true about any day we could name?

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A video clip appearing to show “Jeopardy!” phenom James Holzhauer’s historic run come to an end made the rounds Sunday on social media.

The minute-long snippet — believed to be a leaked clip from an episode expected to air on Monday — picks up as the contestants reveal their responses in the Final Jeopardy segment
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Old 06-03-2019, 09:20 AM
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Perhaps I should have said "hysterical".
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Old 06-03-2019, 12:34 PM
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Hmmm, yes, historical. He loses to a librarian and is 55k short of Jennings record.
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Old 06-03-2019, 12:57 PM
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SPOILER:

Emma slayed the giant with similar tactics. Her gutsy move on the DD2 made the difference.

James was oddly slow on the buzzer today. I know we'll see him again in s Tournament of Champions.

From Reddit recap

DD1, $1,000 - LITERATURE - The title peak of this Thomas Mann novel is home to a Swiss sanitorium (James wagered $1,000 on the first clue of the game.)

DD2, $800 - CAPITAL "A" - It's home to the annual United States Sailboat Show (Emma bet her entire $7,600 to take the lead from James, who had $12,600.)

DD3, $2,000 - POLITICAL PHILOSOPHY - On book covers from GOP lawmakers Jason Chaffetz & Mike Lee is this phrase for the bureaucracy said to be working against democracy (Emma wagered $3,000 from her score of $20,400 vs. $17,400 for James.)

FJ - SHAKESPEARE'S TIME - The line "A great reckoning in a little room" in "As You Like It" is usually taken to refer to this author's premature death


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It's been a fun run and maybe earned Jeopardy some new fans.
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I think Jeopardy should revisit its buzzer system. A guy who can master that timing has an unfair advantage over his opponents, particularly when he gets a few games under his belt and is playing against those new to the buzzer. I'd rather see a turn-based game.
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It'll be interesting to see if Emma has a good run on Jeopardy.

The lady that beat Ken Jennings didn't win again.

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A bunch of twats on twitter started tweeting out the result right after it aired in Japan and Arkansas. "It's not a spoiler, it's available in more than 1 market" which apparently total less than 1% of the US population.
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I think Jeopardy should revisit its buzzer system. A guy who can master that timing has an unfair advantage over his opponents, particularly when he gets a few games under his belt and is playing against those new to the buzzer. I'd rather see a turn-based game.
Sucks to be them then. I don't think a thing needs to be changed.
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And even if the returning champion is faster on the buzzer than the newcomers, that doesn't help if he or she doesn't know the answer.
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Old 06-03-2019, 02:38 PM
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So how much short of Ken Jennings did he fall, in terms of games in a row and total $ won?
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Old 06-03-2019, 02:43 PM
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James won 32 games and  $2,462,216. 


Ken Jennings 74 games with $2,520,700.

James was short 58,484

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Old 06-03-2019, 03:08 PM
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Anyone remember Tic Tac Dough?

The defending champ always got to choose first, giving him/her a huge competitive advantage over the challenger.

My mother loved that show, I hated it because of the competitive advantage. Basically the champ got a mulligan and the challenger did not.
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Old 06-03-2019, 04:09 PM
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Sucks that probably the best episode of Jeopardy ever got spoiled.

For those that don't know, the Coryat score a player's score if all wagering is disregarded.
Combined Coryat is all the players Coryat scores combined.

This game set a new record of $53,200 (out of a possible $54,000).
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Old 06-03-2019, 04:54 PM
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I think Jeopardy should revisit its buzzer system. A guy who can master that timing has an unfair advantage over his opponents, particularly when he gets a few games under his belt and is playing against those new to the buzzer. I'd rather see a turn-based game.
I don't think the vast majority of viewers are clammoring for that. I think the system is fine. The old system was anybody could buzz in at any time they want. Whether that was better or worse, who knows, but they changed it in the Trebek years for some reason. Making it turn-based would make it a very different game to me. Might as well just hand out a quiz to all the players and tally up the scores.
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Old 06-03-2019, 06:18 PM
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We did the "should we change the buzzer rules" discussion in this very thread, like five pages ago. A great and spirited disagreement was had.

I have to admit that I'm a big Ken Jennings fan and I'm kind of happy that his record remains.
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Old 06-03-2019, 06:44 PM
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Just watched it.

Great run by James. I was hoping he'd at least catch Jennings on the money total, but he has other records that will probably stand for a while. I don't know if he was having an 'off' game or not, but the new champion had a very strong game and seems like she could be hard to beat for future challengers. She was 'lucky' to hit on both Daily Doubles in DJ, and she knew she had to bet big on that first one. I guess she had the buzzer timing down pretty well, too.
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That was awesome, because it hadn’t been spoilered for me. Love the way she played.
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Old 06-03-2019, 07:08 PM
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James seemed to run out of steam when Emma hit the DDs. I got misty eyed at the card James’ daughter made for Alex.
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James got beat a challenger who was, for today at least, his equal in both knowledge and buzzer technique. Plus, she got both DDs on Double Jeopardy, one of which she used to double her score and take the lead, and the other to increase her lead to a point where James could not catch her before the game ended.

It was an interesting wager on FJ by James. Entering the final round, he had $23,400; Jay had $11,000, and Emma had $26,600. All 3 answered the final question correctly.

Jay bet $6,000; his only hope was that both of the other players would miss. He finished with $17,000.

Emma bet $20,201, which was 1 dollar more than James could garner if he doubled his money total. She finished with $46,801.

James, however, bet $1399. He finished with $24,749. He obviously knew that he couldn't catch Emma even if he doubled his score (and she answered correctly), so his bet was low enough so that if both he and Emma missed, he would finish with 22,001, which of course is one dollar more than what Jay could have achieved had he doubled his total.

So it was actually good strategy by James. We wouldn't have expected anything else.

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So it was actually good strategy by James. We wouldn't have expected anything else.
Yeah, I saw a bunch of posts yesterday saying the leak was fake because James never only bet as low as $1399, but has he ever entered FJ in second place? Of course his betting strategy would be different in that case! His wager was perfect, for the reasons you stated. When I saw the bet and the scores, I knew the leak was real, but it wasn't certain whether it was for today's episode or for another.
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The game theory of the wagering in a scenario like this is so fascinating to me. Reminds me of the "metagame" in poker. Emma was very conventional in her approach, but imagine if she were crafty enough to suss out what James was going to do, and gutsy enough to follow through? She could have bet nothing and ensured she won, even if she didn't know the FJ clue and James did.


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It'll be interesting to see if Emma has a good run on Jeopardy.

The lady that beat Ken Jennings didn't win again.

Yeah, I really like her, and hope she has herself a long run. I think this is different from Jennings, because James was so much more dominant. The Coryat scores are interesting and hint at that. I think when she doesn't have James to contend with (and the other guy was good too!) she will do very, very well. But we'll see!


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Whoa, you posted that early in the morning without spoiler boxing it? WTF, not cool, dude. I didn't happen to swing by, but given that this was before it aired anywhere in the country, I could easily have done.
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She was 'lucky' to hit on both Daily Doubles in DJ, and she knew she had to bet big on that first one.
And he was unlucky to get his Daily Double on his very first turn and so could only wager the value of the answer ($1000), when his average bet had been about $9000.
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Whoa, you posted that early in the morning without spoiler boxing it? WTF, not cool, dude. I didn't happen to swing by, but given that this was before it aired anywhere in the country, I could easily have done.
Yeah, I only saw the episode on my DVR now, I hadn’t seen anything about it online earlier so was completely surprised, but damn that was a dick move by ElvisL1ves. Posting that at 6:25am!?
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I think that everyone who was saying that the game was irrecoverably ruined and rule changes were called for can calm down now. Next season everyone will play like James and things will be much more entertaining.
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And he was unlucky to get his Daily Double on his very first turn and so could only wager the value of the answer ($1000), when his average bet had been about $9000.
Yeah, it was almost a 'perfect storm' against him on the Daily Doubles.
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I really do suspect that James tanked this intentionally. That final wager was not anything near what he normally wagered.
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I really do suspect that James tanked this intentionally. That final wager was not anything near what he normally wagered.
Read post 527. James wagered perfectly.
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Wow — I just watched it and it wasn’t spoilered for me. I stayed away from this thread.

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It's been a fun run and maybe earned Jeopardy some new fans.
Or bring fans back to the show. I’m one. And it was a fun run.


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It'll be interesting to see if Emma has a good run on Jeopardy.

The lady that beat Ken Jennings didn't win again.
She’s pretty sharp, to be sure, but one big factor not mentioned yet was the middle player (Jay?). His answering several questions stole opportunities from James, and of course Emma too.

About Emma, her voice tone reminded me of Lilith (Bebe Neuwirth) on Cheers.
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I am really disappointed about how easy it was to get spoiled - Google had it as their top story, Reddit had a thread reach the front page (the title wasn't a spoiler but c'mon, the mere fact there was a Jeopardy thread on the front page makes it obvious) and even fucking ESPN had a spoiler in their headline. Kinda bullshit for something that's not a live show on at the same time in every time zone, but even worse was all of these were posted in the morning before the show even aired.
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I had the result spoiled to me pretty early. Then I intentionally opened this thread to see if Dopers could hold their water for a minute.

Elvis, next time don't be cruel.


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I really do suspect that James tanked this intentionally. That final wager was not anything near what he normally wagered.
Glad to know I'm not the only one who wondered about this.

You couldn't have scripted a better ending: the unassuming librarian takes down the champ.
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last night's episode was filmed in mid March. Had no idea it was such a long gap between taping and airing of the episodes. His first episode aired in first week of April. He had to keep quiet about when he lost for 2.5 months.
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You couldn't have scripted a better ending: the unassuming librarian takes down the champ.
I was looking at it the other way around: imagine that you’re Holzhauer, and you’re right on the brink of breaking a trivia record set by Ken Jennings, and you hear that, oh, hey, we found a librarian who earned a graduate degree in Jeopardy.

(And I don’t get the relevance of saying his “final wager was not anything near what he normally wagered.” He normally went into the final with a lead — and he could wager so that he’d win even if everyone got it right, and so he did. This time, he couldn’t do that; he went in without the lead; regardless of how he wagered, he was already going to lose unless his opponent screwed up.)
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I saw the spoiler on CNN's website, but the headline was something like "Did James beat Jennings' total?" I have no self-control and I read the article, then I had to keep from sing-songing "I know something you don't know" when I got home. Still, I enjoyed watching James, The Final Chapter... for now...
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LOL on the sing-songing.

CNN’s headline actually seems like a good approach. What would have been much trickier is if he lost on a day when no record was on the line.
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I am really disappointed about how easy it was to get spoiled - Google had it as their top story, Reddit had a thread reach the front page (the title wasn't a spoiler but c'mon, the mere fact there was a Jeopardy thread on the front page makes it obvious) and even fucking ESPN had a spoiler in their headline. Kinda bullshit for something that's not a live show on at the same time in every time zone, but even worse was all of these were posted in the morning before the show even aired.
It was also spoiled on at least two radio stations yesterday morning during my drive dropping off the kids at school. It was a story about the leak, and they all said "spoiler alert" before saying it, but, come on, first it's radio, so you have to be quick on the draw to either change the station or cover your ears (which you don't want to do while driving, of course.) And the mere fact that there was a Jeopardy! spoiler meant most likely that James lost. One of the hosts tried to perhaps somewhat un-spoil it by commenting on James' wager being unusually low and questioning the authenticity of the leak, but, as explained above, that only proved to me that the leak was 100% legit.

I did read it here first, though.

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Glad to know I'm not the only one who wondered about this.

You couldn't have scripted a better ending: the unassuming librarian takes down the champ.
I thought it was jaw droppingly obvious that he threw the game. I won't speculate as to what agreement he and the show's Powers That Be may have come to, but unless it comes to light that he was running a high fever or had just lost a loved one, that was the fakest loss I can remember seeing.
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As far as James's FJ wager goes, I quote from thejeopardyfan.com:

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There was absolutely nothing wrong with James’ Final Jeopardy bet of $1,399. He knew that Emma was overwhelmingly likely to bet what she did and, thus, his only chance of winning was if Emma did not get Final Jeopardy! correct. $1,399 ensures that his score stays above Jay’s and gives James the best chance of winning the game. Had James gone all-in, he would have finished at $46,800 and lost by $1.
Really, this sort of betting math is quite common, and you see wagers like James's all the time from second place contestants. Betting a huge amount wouldn't have helped him. If he and Emma had both gotten Final Jeopardy wrong, James would have won the game, and everybody would be talking about how savvy he was for betting so conservatively.

Nevertheless, the conspiracy theories are already coming out. Really, he lost in exactly the way that people have been predicting he might lose: someone else found the Daily Doubles.

What will be interesting to see is whether James's approach to the game will start to become more common. Emma basically adopted his strategy: go for the big value clues first, accumulate as much money as possible as quickly as possible, and bet big if you find a Daily Double. I'm curious to see whether that will become the norm for contestants.

Alex seemed to be tearing up a bit at the end, and I suspect it wasn't just because James lost. This week's episodes were recorded the day after he announced his cancer diagnosis. I imagine that he was dealing with a lot of emotions at that time.
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I thought it was jaw droppingly obvious that he threw the game. I won't speculate as to what agreement he and the show's Powers That Be may have come to, but unless it comes to light that he was running a high fever or had just lost a loved one, that was the fakest loss I can remember seeing.

Why would he do that right before beating Jennings's money record? I could see right after.
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