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Old 08-11-2018, 05:21 PM
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Wouldn't 13 twenty eight day months make a better calendar?

It wouldn't be perfect, but you would always know which day of the week the date was.

For example, Sundays would always fall on the first, eighth, fifteenth and twenty second of each month.

Thirteen (months) times twenty eight (days) equals 364. The extra day needed to round out the year could be celebrated as a holiday between day 364 and day 1 of the next year.

Our current calendar was introduced in 1582, over 400 years ago. I think we could do better.

What would you call the 13th month?
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Old 08-11-2018, 05:25 PM
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Undecember.
(Since the Decem in December is referring to tenth, and Undecem would be the corresponding way to refer to eleventh.)

Or rename all the months.

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Old 08-11-2018, 05:34 PM
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The extra day needed to round out the year could be celebrated as a holiday between day 364 and day 1 of the next year.
Or you could just speed up the rotation to eliminate that spurious day. Easy-peasy.
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Old 08-11-2018, 05:35 PM
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The problem with 13 months is the difficulty in dividing it into half and quarters.

Unless you renamed all the months, people would be confused about when their birthday and anniversaries were.

But the real problem is that religions will never (any time soon) let us get away from a 7 day week.
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Or you could just speed up the rotation to eliminate that spurious day. Easy-peasy.
I'd tend to classify that one under "Fairly-difficult-peasy".
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Old 08-11-2018, 05:36 PM
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Smarch is the 13th month.

But I think that might be slightly less accurate (364 days per year, when we use a 365 day calendar, which is still off by about 1/4 day a year).
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Old 08-11-2018, 05:41 PM
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12 months of 30 days each, each divided into five six-day weeks. Followed by 5 days, 5 hours, 48 minutes, and 46 seconds of partying.
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Old 08-11-2018, 05:45 PM
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This is the International Fixed Calendar, proposed by Moses B. Cotsworth in 1902. He proposed naming the 13th month "Sol" and placing it in between June and July.

Personally, I would prefer Elisabeth Achelis' World Calendar. 12 months. First month of each quarter has 31 days, other months all have 30 days.

The Wiki pages for each calendar list some advantages and disadvantages of each.
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Old 08-11-2018, 05:47 PM
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Be better to go to 10 36 day months, with 5 special holidays between months, 6 on leap years.
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Old 08-11-2018, 05:50 PM
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I always thought we should just do away with Tuesdays and Thursdays. A 365 day year would have 73 weeks. Work out months however you like, the extra weekends would be great! Now, I'm retired and don't care.
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Old 08-11-2018, 05:51 PM
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Old 08-11-2018, 05:57 PM
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I like Tolkien's Hobbit version; 12 months of 30 days, then 5 or 6 days that aren't in any month, which are party days, which are also not days of the week, so all years have the same calendar.

A few years ago, my Dad, really into both photography and Tolkien, decided to take pictures of locations that looked like LoTR scenes, and assemble them into a calendar. Mum thought that sounded like a nice idea, seeing he'd got some great pictures, and was all ready to get some printed up as Christmas presents... He did it as a bleedin' hobbit calendar, with 30 day months called things like Rethe and Winterfilth, and hobbit holidays. Mum was not happy
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What would you call the 13th month?
Fix the existing month names while you're at it. It's been screwed up since Julius Caesar got his mitts on it.

Either move October, November, and December back to being the 8th, 9th, and 10th months respectively, or rename them so that their prefixes match their month number, i.e. December, Undecember, and Duodecember.

Tredecember then becomes your obvious choice for the 13th month.

While you're at it, rename the 5th and 6th months back to Quintilis and Sextilism, or maybe Quintember and Sextember. We're not Roman. We don't give two hoots about Julius Caesar and Augustus.

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Old 08-11-2018, 06:13 PM
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Be better to go to 10 36 day months, with 5 special holidays between months, 6 on leap years.
And each week is six days. Every business is open every day, with two complete crews of employees, alternating 3 days work/3 days off.

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Old 08-11-2018, 06:14 PM
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I kind of like the month names from the French Republican Calendar.
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Old 08-11-2018, 06:23 PM
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Smarch is the 13th month.

But I think that might be slightly less accurate (364 days per year, when we use a 365 day calendar, which is still off by about 1/4 day a year).
Lousy Smarch weather.

"Don't touch--Willie." Good advice.


The 13th month should be called Anathema since 13 is unlucky.

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Old 08-11-2018, 07:18 PM
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Is this going to change my zodiac sign?
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This is gonna really screw up my seven day pill box.
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Old 08-11-2018, 08:42 PM
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It's been screwed up since Julius Caesar got his mitts on it.
The creation of January and February and their readjustment from ending the year to beginning it happened hundreds of years before Julius Caesar's reforms.

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This is the International Fixed Calendar, proposed by Moses B. Cotsworth in 1902. He proposed naming the 13th month "Sol" and placing it in between June and July.

Personally, I would prefer Elisabeth Achelis' World Calendar. 12 months. First month of each quarter has 31 days, other months all have 30 days.

The Wiki pages for each calendar list some advantages and disadvantages of each.
I've seen that "World Calendar" idea before except the version I saw had 30, 30, and 31 as the number of days per month in each quarter. Months would always start on Monday, Wednesday or Friday, with each quarter being identical.
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I kind of like the month names from the French Republican Calendar.
"Messidor" sounds like it has a lot of notes and pictures thumbtacked to it.
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Is this going to change my zodiac sign?
Depends; apparently Gemini (The Twins) were two separate signs once upon a time. If this is you, pick one and call him Fred. The other can be Barney.
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Old 08-12-2018, 12:21 AM
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When I become the emperor of the world, I'll divide a year in 12 months, each with 30 days. Last 5 (or 6) days are calendae.

Each month, three 10-day weeks. Each week as follows: Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Midweek (day off), Fifth, Sixth, Thursday, Friday, Saturday (day off), Sunday (day off).

So, a month:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10
11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20
21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30.
Ratio of working and non-working days is similar as in 7-day week, slightly in favour of lazing on a Sunday afternoon. (0.285714 vs. 0.3)

Furthermore, each day into 10 hours, hour into 100 minutes, minute into 100 seconds. All SI measurement units derived from a time unit changed accordingly, shoo. Friend of mine and me had fun conversations about this ages ago. He even programmed "analog" clock for Windows 3.1: Dial split into 10 hours, but 0th hour/midnight shifted 90 degrees (where on conventional dials 3 is), and it would go anti-clockwise. Because of convention that x-axis on a graph goes to the right, and trigonometric circle following sine wave values goes counterclockwise. Neat.

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<snip> ...slightly in favour of lazing on a Sunday afternoon. (0.285714 vs. 0.3) <snip>
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When I become Emperor of The World, first thing is track down the guy I stopped to ask directions to Point Fermin, who replied, "Point Fermin? Where is that?"

He's a fuckin' dead man!
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It wouldn't be perfect, but you would always know which day of the week the date was.
So if your birthday was on a Monday, your birthday would always be on a Monday?
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So if your birthday was on a Monday, your birthday would always be on a Monday?
I found that a bit inexplicably disturbing too.
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But the real problem is that religions will never (any time soon) let us get away from a 7 day week.

This doesn't explain why China would choose to continue the seven-day week or why the Communist Block has not managed to get rid of it.


When the French Republican Calendar instituted the ten-day calendar, the strongest opposition didn't come from the Catholic Church, which had been weakened by the revolution, but from the public who hated to see the aggregate number of free days decrease.
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It may be fun to speculate, but nobody really wants to change the calendar, nobody could ever agree about how it should be changed, and the costs and confusion worldwide would be enormous.

...Every date routine in every program in every computer... every financial calculation of rent and interest payments... every monthly salary... the whole organisation of society would have to undergo a major upheaval... and how much benefit would there be? What problem would be solved?

The current calendar has worked well for 2000 years, with a small adjustment in 1582, and there's no reason to change it. The lengths of the months are the way they are for Roman historical reasons, and the names of the months are the Roman names. A large portion of our culture comes from Rome anyway. Even half the words in the English language are derived from Latin.
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To keep the Monday-Sunday cycle uninterrupted, you'll want to insert leap-weeks, not leap-days. Every eight years there'd be an added week, independent of the 13 months, during which no monthly interest or rents would be due, no monthly wages would be paid or earned, and when there would be worldwide frolicking and gaiety. (Some stores would remain open during the leap-week, to sell condoms and other party accessories.)

We wouldn't want the leap-weeks to add up over time and cause the movable feasts to move over-feastfully and then need to adopt something like Pope Gregory's famous fix., To avoid that, assuming years are still labeled via the decimal system, simply omit the first leap-week of each century. This will actually cope with the 365.2422-day year more accurately than Gregory's fix!

If the 13-month year catches on, perhaps we should switch to tridecimal arithmetic as well. This would "cut the Gordian's Knot" and finally end the bickering between those who think our number base should be a multiple of a our finger-count, and those who prefer divisibility by 3 or 4.
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In addition to the 7-day week requirement, you need to maintain months in a reasonable way.

So a leap week is going to be a problem. People being paid monthly are going to feel stiffed. Landlords want to be paid for the extra week. And on and on.

You have to maintain a small variation on the length and number of months. So no leap month either. People would go crazy if they sometimes had to pay 13 mortgage payments in one year or some such.

I see no advantage at all to having a calendar date on the same weekday. Looking up what day of the week a date falls on is so trivial compared to the disruption other changes would make.

Note that in some computer/accounting situations all that matters is the ordinal day (the number of days since the end of the previous year). I say we all switch to that: happy day 224 folks.
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This doesn't explain why China would choose to continue the seven-day week or why the Communist Block has not managed to get rid of it.
There's no need to explain why China or others in the Communist Block kept the seven day week because there are other big problems with changing the calendar so simple inertia can explain it plus the desire for commerce to keep in sync with the rest of he world.

What I'm saying is were there a push to remove a 7 day week, all those who complain about "Happy Holidays" would go crazy and others who don't object to that term would be quite upset and fight it.
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Plenty of reasonable ways to reorganize months that leave 5 or 6 days left over that will be a Purge week.
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Depends; apparently Gemini (The Twins) were two separate signs once upon a time. If this is you, pick one and call him Fred. The other can be Barney.
Nice, but, Iím not a twin, how in the universe will I plan my next move if I donít know which sign to follow 😊.
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Lousy Smarch weather.

"Don't touch--Willie." Good advice.
"It all started on the 13th hour, of the 13th day, of the 13th month. We were there to discuss the misprinted calendars the school had purchased. " --Marge

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What would you call the 13th month?
Octember, of course!

Thirteen months would never work. People are still so very superstitious.
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12 months is nice for seasonal symmetry. It also leads to the year being broken into fairly reasonable chunks of three months.

The real flaw though with going to a 13 month systems is largely that the system we have now isn't particularly broken. There are minor annoyance like not knowing if Christmas falls on a Wednesday or Thursday of a given year, but overall there's no real reason to change other than you prefer a different kind of symmetry to things. So it would be a lot of money and a lot of grief with no real benefit. There's a reason that the French Republican Calendar only made it 12 years (and the 10 day week didn't even make it that long) besides the fact that it was intentionally designed to disrespect people's beliefs. It's expensive and annoying to change something without a real reason to do so. You may say, "Look at the cleanliness of my new calendar" while I say, "Shoot, I'm going to have to change the payroll system and the quarterly tax remittances just so a calendar can look pretty."
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There are already 13 signs of the Zodiac anyway; no need to change that.
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I've been giving this a lot of thought since I hurt my back a few months ago ... I work three days on and one day off ... days of the week and dates of the month are pretty much meaningless to me ... it's either 4 inch/1, 4 inch/2, 2 inch or off ... that's the size of the paint brush I use for the day ... very literally from Crocodile Dundee: "See you on Wednesday", "Sure, Walt, what day is today?"
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I would do away with months entirely and just give each day a number over a given 4 year period. Day 1 - 1,461 1st cycle. 2nd cycle, etc.

People would make it work. They do with the metric system.
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Clearly, the first thing to do is o slow the moon down, so that we only have 10 months. If we can slow the Earth down the same way, so that a year is 350 days, then we've got 10 months of 5 weeks each! Easy peasy.

Of course this mucks up '90 day bank bills' but that's a flexible concept anyway.
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"Messidor" sounds like it has a lot of notes and pictures thumbtacked to it.
"Thermador" sounds like it should be followed by Cuspidor and Humidor.

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So if your birthday was on a Monday, your birthday would always be on a Monday?
Dude, you, like, totally harshed my buzz.
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Since we've already established the OP has not suggested a better calendar, here's one that has my vote:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesoam...Count_calendar
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Lousy Smarch weather.

"Don't touch--Willie." Good advice.


The 13th month should be called Anathema since 13 is unlucky.
Damn, you beat me to it.
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