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Old 05-09-2019, 01:32 PM
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Adam Sandlerís tribute to Chris Farley on SNL last week got me thinking. Farley was slated to star in a biopic of Fatty Arbuckle as his first serious role, but obviously never got the chance. I really would love to see that movie. That and the John Belushi version of Ghostbusters.

So what are your choices for greatest missed opportunities and unmade masterpieces in film?
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Old 05-09-2019, 01:37 PM
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Jodorowsky's Dune would have been very interesting, although from the documentary I'm not convinced it would have a good film.
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Jodorowsky's Dune would have been very interesting, although from the documentary I'm not convinced it would have a good film.
I agree. Based on the documentary and other Jodorowsky movies I've seen, in particular El Topo, one of the weirdest movies ever made, his version would have made David Lynch's Dune look normal by comparison.
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I desperately wanted "The Talisman" to come to screen with a young Brad Renfro.
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From 2005-2010, they came out with 3 decent The Chronicles of Narnia movies (yeah, the second movie was iffy). But I would have paid to see the remaining 4. They let the rights expire and 10 years passed and now I see that Netflix will redo the series.
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I agree. Based on the documentary and other Jodorowsky movies I've seen, in particular El Topo, one of the weirdest movies ever made, his version would have made David Lynch's Dune look normal by comparison.
I suppose most people reading this already know, but "Los hijos del Topo" is out in at least comic book form. No film ever made, though there have long been various rumors...
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I really think Heath Ledger was a great actor and had some really great roles left in him. His death at a tragically young age was an artistic loss.
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I really think Heath Ledger was a great actor and had some really great roles left in him. His death at a tragically young age was an artistic loss.
I read that Nolan planned to keep Joker around as a recurring villain. He was apparently tired of comic book movies where the bad guy dies at the end, and bring in a new one for sequels.
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I read that Nolan planned to keep Joker around as a recurring villain. He was apparently tired of comic book movies where the bad guy dies at the end, and bring in a new one for sequels.
me too on that one yeah,
I remember at the end of Keaton's Batman ..the big gasps was joker died .......

people were actually pissed .......
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Guillermo del Toro's version of At The Mountains Of Madness got started and scrapped a couple of times. I don't think it will get made.
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Guillermo del Toro's version of At The Mountains Of Madness got started and scrapped a couple of times. I don't think it will get made.
And, for that matter, I would have very much liked to have seen del Toro's version of The Hobbit.
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I was going to say Terry Gilliam's The Man Who Killed Don Quixote, but it finally got finished (and was released in the USA about a month ago).
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Do these have to be movies that somebody actually attempted or planned to make, or can they just be movies that we wish existed but they don't?

Because in that latter category, I nominate a really good CGI adaptation of Arthur Conan Doyle's The Lost World with Stephen Fry as Professor Challenger and Hugh Laurie as Lord John Roxton.
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Citizen Kane was not Orson Welles' first choice for his feature film debut. He had wanted to film an adaptation of Heart of Darkness. Welles was going to play the protagonist Marlow (no surprises there) and the entire movie was going to be filmed from Marlow's point of view. So Welles while would be the center of the movie, he would hardly appear - he would only be seen in occasional reflections.

RKO felt the idea was too experimental (and the proposed budget was too high) so they passed. Welles came up with the more conventional proposal for Citizen Kane instead.
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For decades there was talk about a Keith Moon biopic, with Mike Myers to play Keith. The movie never got off the ground, and Mike is too old now.
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For decades there was talk about a Keith Moon biopic, with Mike Myers to play Keith. The movie never got off the ground, and Mike is too old now.
One Moon was stopped because Townshend would not allow his songs to be used in the movie. That may have been a different movie.
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One Moon was stopped because Townshend would not allow his songs to be used in the movie. That may have been a different movie.
Well, it would be ridiculous to do a movie about Keith Moon without using Who songs.
Besides, since Pete already sold out to the CSI franchises it's rather hypocritical.
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Similar to the OP's, Lou Costello was at one point considered to star in a biopic of Fiorello la Guardia, a downright dramatic, non-comedic role. But he died relatively young.

I still want to see I, Robot with Harlan Ellison's script and good CGI, dammit!
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id of loved to see the movie of the alienist that other than a tiny preview never happened for some reason
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There is nothing I enjoy more than a gigantic clusterfuck of a movie, so definitely Superman with Nick Cage.
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I was really hoping to see a "Star Man 2" just so I could find out what those marbles are for.
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The greatest movie we will probably never see?
"The Day The Clown Cried".
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"The Day The Clown Cried".
I'd see it if I had a chance, but Lewis said it's just a bad film and that he was ashamed of it.
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I'd see it if I had a chance, but Lewis said it's just a bad film and that he was ashamed of it.
One thing i don't get is how people do facepalms over the very concept.

The idea seems solid and affecting and quite doable.

We've had nazi mistresses running prison films, decades of nazi zombie films. Decades of sad clown films. So how is a "Concentration camp prisoner dresses as a clown to ease the last days of the children there while dying inside every day." not a solid idea?

Ok i just read the synopsis. It needs tweaking. The film should be less about the clown and the 'pied piper' thing is SO heavy-handed it needs tweaking, but overall its a solid idea.
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>> Ringworld

Yeah, that would be a great one, if they could stick to what made the stories great. The "known space" universe of Niven has always been a favorite.

I've seen traces of the idea of a huge ring structure in space with people living on it, popping up from time to time, such as the Halo video game series and the movie Elysium. But these little rings are tiny in comparison to the one in Niven's books. This ring is utterly huge, being about 500 MILLION km in length (along the inner surface of the ring) and 1.5 MILLION km wide, with 1000 km high walls at the edges to keep the atmosphere in. The ring is spinning like a bicycle wheel, see, so centrifugal force is providing "gravity" and holding the atmosphere down. The size of the Ringworld is the orbital path the Earth takes around the sun. Has anything this vast appeared in a movie? In a realistic, meaningful way?

I mean, a model of the Earth is present for some reason on this ring. It appears in flattened, map-projection form someplace along the surface of the ring. In the small section of the ring map where it appears, it looks as small as a fly squashed on a wall. (Insert flat-Earth jokes here)

Could a TV series do the story justice? Sure, lots of colorful alien characters (Puppeteers, Kzinti), weird planets colonized by humans, an ongoing series of wars between Humans and Kzinti, "safe" interstellar travel, thanks to indestructible spacecraft built by the Puppeteers. I suppose the ring itself could be done using CGI. They'd have to have it appearing in the sky, as described in the books, as an "arch." Maybe they could do it well, if sufficiently motivated...

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>> Ringworld

Yeah, that would be a great one, if they could stick to what made the stories great. The "known space" universe of Niven has always been a favorite.

I've seen traces of the idea of a huge ring structure in space with people living on it, popping up from time to time, such as the Halo video game series and the movie Elysium. But these little rings are tiny in comparison to the one in Niven's books. This ring is utterly huge, being about 500 MILLION km in length (along the inner surface of the ring) and 1.5 MILLION km wide, with 1000 km high walls at the edges to keep the atmosphere in. The ring is spinning like a bicycle wheel, see, so centrifugal force is providing "gravity" and holding the atmosphere down. The size of the Ringworld is the orbital path the Earth takes around the sun. Has anything this vast appeared in a movie? In a realistic, meaningful way?

I mean, a model of the Earth is present for some reason on this ring. It appears in flattened, map-projection form someplace along the surface of the ring. In the small section of the ring map where it appears, it looks as small as a fly squashed on a wall. (Insert flat-Earth jokes here)

Could a TV series do the story justice? Sure, lots of colorful alien characters (Puppeteers, Kzinti), weird planets colonized by humans, an ongoing series of wars between Humans and Kzinti, "safe" interstellar travel, thanks to indestructible spacecraft built by the Puppeteers. I suppose the ring itself could be done using CGI. They'd have to have it appearing in the sky, as described in the books, as an "arch." Maybe they could do it well, if sufficiently motivated...
There aren't enough Larry Niven fans out there to make this commercially viable. If Morgan Freeman can't get Rendezvous with Rama off the ground, even with Arthur C. Clarke's name behind it,* I don't think the less-recognized Niven** will carry the weight. You're more likely to se a movie based on Halo first.

On the other hand, they've announced a Ringworld TV movie over two years ago. we'll se if it happens.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt3341646/?ref_=nm_flmg_wr_1







*(not just 2001, but [2010[/I] and Arthur C. Clarke's Mysterious World and lots of other things known to the General Public)

**Niven had an episode of the new Outer Limits -- "Inconstant Moon" -- and an episode of the Animated Star Trek -- "The Slaver Weapon" and three episodes of Land of the Lost

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incons...e_Outer_Limits)

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One thing i don't get is how people do facepalms over the very concept.

The idea seems solid and affecting and quite doable.

We've had nazi mistresses running prison films, decades of nazi zombie films. Decades of sad clown films. So how is a "Concentration camp prisoner dresses as a clown to ease the last days of the children there while dying inside every day." not a solid idea?

Ok i just read the synopsis. It needs tweaking. The film should be less about the clown and the 'pied piper' thing is SO heavy-handed it needs tweaking, but overall its a solid idea.
Gotta rename the main character-"Helmut Doork" is too...doorky.
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One thing i don't get is how people do facepalms over the very concept.

The idea seems solid and affecting and quite doable.

We've had nazi mistresses running prison films, decades of nazi zombie films. Decades of sad clown films. So how is a "Concentration camp prisoner dresses as a clown to ease the last days of the children there while dying inside every day." not a solid idea?

Ok i just read the synopsis. It needs tweaking. The film should be less about the clown and the 'pied piper' thing is SO heavy-handed it needs tweaking, but overall its a solid idea.
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You have to look at from the perspective of the early 70s. At that time, few mainstream movies had tackled the subject of the Holocaust head-on. 1965's The Pawnbroker was a notable exception but most films like Judgment at Nuremberg and Diary of Anne Frank either dealt with the aftermath or what happened immediately before (e.g., Anne Frank ended just as the characters were caught and being sent to the camps). A lot of that had to do with sensitivity of the subject matter. The Holocaust was so horrific that the consensus was it was likely beyond dramatizing effectively and any attempt to turn the subject into some Oscar-bait melodrama would end up being a grave insult to both the survivors and those that died. The fact that the one person who was bucking conventional wisdom by doing a Holocaust movie was a loud overbearing comic on the downhill side of his career who was unfamiliar with the words "taste" and "subtlety" only added to the view that the project would be a disaster beyond comprehension.
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"The Day The Clown Cried".
According to a sidebar in a Spy magazine article about The Day the Clown Cried, Jerry Lewis wanted to direct a film version of ...

... The Catcher in the Rye. Salinger said no.

He also wanted to play Holden Caulfield.

Let's contemplate that never-made film for a moment.
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I was/am disappointed the movie 'The Last Full Measure' is not going to be made. It was to be the third in a civil war trilogy. ( 'Gettysburg' and 'Gods and Generals' being the other two )
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I have a book with this title.... The one I remember is a movie about Napoleon by Stanley Kubrick.
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The 1937 version of I, Claudius, directed by Josef von Sternberg and starring Charles Laughton. Production ceased after Merle Oberon (who played Messalina) was in an auto accident, but the set had been having troubles since the inception. You can see bits and pieces of the movie in the 1965 documentary, The Epic That Never Was.

I love Charles Laughton in everything, but he would have been a terrific Claudius.

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The 1937 version of I, Claudius, directed by Josef von Sternberg and starring Charles Laughton. Production ceased after Merle Oberon (who played Messalina) was in an auto accident, but the set had been having troubles since the inception. You can see bits and pieces of the movie in the 1965 documentary, The Epic That Never Was.

I love Charles Laughton in everything, but he would have been a terrific Claudius.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/I,_Claudius_(film)
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George Lucas's last 3 star wars movies supposedly he had them written

I know they gotta different than what Disney's putting out .....

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I don't know that he had them "written," so much as he might have had an idea of what he might have done in them.

OTOH, given that he had strong creative and script control over the Prequel Trilogy, and I felt like they were pretty weak stories and scripts, I'm not at all sure that I would have *wanted* him involved in 7-8-9.
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I don't know that he had them "written," so much as he might have had an idea of what he might have done in them.

OTOH, given that he had strong creative and script control over the Prequel Trilogy, and I felt like they were pretty weak stories and scripts, I'm not at all sure that I would have *wanted* him involved in 7-8-9.
I could have sworn I read a sequel to Empire Strikes Back by George Lucas. Maybe it was by somebody else. The only thing I remember about it is Luke and his wife have twins.
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I know they gotta different than what Disney's putting out .....
^ This. I'm not a huge fan of the prequels, but I'll take ANY of them over TLJ (and rottentomatoes audience scores line up with this sentiment). God I hate TLJ with a passion.

Another one was a Alien sequel by Neill Blomkamp. He was gonna bring back Ripley, Newt, Hicks and apparently pretend Alien 3 and 4 never happened (and I wish they never happened as well).

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The Moon is a Harsh Mistress has been optioned many times over the decades, has had multiple scripts written by good authors (Tim Minear, for example), and has even been green-lit a couple of times. It always seems to die in pre-production hell.
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The Moon is a Harsh Mistress has been optioned many times over the decades, has had multiple scripts written by good authors (Tim Minear, for example), and has even been green-lit a couple of times. It always seems to die in pre-production hell.
Morgan Freeman, of all people, apparently holds the film rights to Rendezvous with Rama and has been trying to get a movie made for over fifteen years.
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Morgan Freeman, of all people, apparently holds the film rights to Rendezvous with Rama and has been trying to get a movie made for over fifteen years.
I actually saw a trailer for this in a cinema several years ago. I don't remember which movie, or the year. Probably 2009 or 2010, but maybe earlier.
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The Moon is a Harsh Mistress has been optioned many times over the decades, has had multiple scripts written by good authors (Tim Minear, for example), and has even been green-lit a couple of times. It always seems to die in pre-production hell.
Given how Heinlein's work has been butchered in Hollywood, this is probably a Good Thing.
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Given how Heinlein's work has been butchered in Hollywood, this is probably a Good Thing.
I agree with both of you: I'd love to see it on the screen, and I fear for what Hollywood would do to it. Also, TMIAHM is a very talky novel. The characters discuss how to build a revolutionary conspiracy, political philosophy, Loonie culture, Loonie marriage customs, etc., etc. When I re-read it a few years ago, I found it odd and striking how much conversation there was in a novel where the main characters constantly derided "talk-talk". It makes for a great deconstructionist essay, but a novel with so much talk compared to the amount of action would be hard to translate to the screen, IMO.
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Morgan Freeman, of all people, apparently holds the film rights to Rendezvous with Rama and has been trying to get a movie made for over fifteen years.
The sad irony of Rama not getting made into a movie is that it has vastly more spectacle than any of Clarke's other work from his best period.

The only upside of not making a movie out of Rama is that they'll never make the sequels, either.

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I don't know how "great" of a movie it would've been, but it would've been great to see Buckaroo Banzai vs. The World Crime League.
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I don't know how "great" of a movie it would've been, but it would've been great to see Buckaroo Banzai vs. The World Crime League.
I was coming back into the thread to say this exact thing.
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Somebody is sitting on the rights to "Ringworld"
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If the Wikipedia entry is correct, it may not actually be being "sat on;" as of 2017, Amazon and MGM were developing a TV series based on it. The IMDB entry on it was last updated as "in development," in September of '17.

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If the Wikipedia entry is correct, it may not actually be being "sat on;" as of 2017, Amazon and MGM were developing a TV series based on it. The IMDB entry on it was last updated as "in development," in September of '17.
An advantage with Ringworld vs., say Game of Thrones, is that the characterization and plotting should be easier for your run of the mill TV writing staff to replicate. I love Niven, but I don't think you read him for his intricate plots or his richly described characters. Unless the Ringworld itself counts as a character.

I'd love to see Known Space on an HBO budget.

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