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Old 10-09-2019, 08:36 PM
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Jericho is knocking his promo out of the park. When he introduced Jake Hager, the fans chanted "We The People!" Jericho responded "We're not using that anymore. That's a stupid idea from bad creative!"

I'm interested in seeing how Jon Moxley vs Shawn Spears develops. They were the equivalent of A-lister and semi-visible midcarder in WWE.
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Old 10-10-2019, 07:08 AM
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Jericho is knocking his promo out of the park. When he introduced Jake Hager, the fans chanted "We The People!" Jericho responded "We're not using that anymore. That's a stupid idea from bad creative!"
I'm liking the Inner Circle as the evil opposite of the Elite / nWo-lite faction.
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Old 10-11-2019, 10:51 AM
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During the match between Roderick Strong and Isaiah "Swerve" Scott, Mauro worked in a subtle non-canon reference.

When the two were trading blows, Mauro said "They're both intending to establish their Kill Shot!" -- Scott's alias in LU.
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Old 10-11-2019, 07:30 PM
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I'm really liking the way AEW is announcing the full card for Dynamite in advance of the show. It's a great way to get people interested in watching, and it makes it feel like it's a serious sporting event as opposed to a soap opera where people just get in the ring and talk for ten minutes and then a match happens.

Here's the card for next week's show;

*AEW World Championship: Chris Jericho (c) vs. Darby Allin (street fight)
* AEW Women's Championship: Riho (c) vs. Dr. Britt Baker
* Kenny Omega & Hangman Page vs. Jon Moxley & PAC
* SoCal Uncensored vs. Best Friends (Tag Team Championship quarter-finals)
* Pentagon Jr. & Fenix vs. Jungle Boy & Luchasaurus (Tag Team Championship quarter-finals)

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Old 10-11-2019, 08:27 PM
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There are a lot of tag teams that work pretty much only as tag teams. The draft should be worked so that they "register" as teams, individual, or both. In the last case, drafting an individual could break up the team if the partner is not drafted, but it protects teams like the Usos, AoP, etc. But I'm just a fan who overthinks wrestling, something Vince rarely does anymore.
Someone listened to me. I'm going to take full credit for this.
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Old 10-13-2019, 11:41 AM
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Here's the card for next week's show;

* SoCal Uncensored vs. Best Friends (Tag Team Championship quarter-finals)
Why do I have the feeling this is going to end up either as a time limit draw or a double countout, so The Dark Order go straight to the title match without having to wrestle anybody? At least AEW doesn't do what WCW did once, and announce the second semi-final of a title tourmanent for a PPV, only for the first semi-final to be a draw, so How About That, the title match is now on PPV.

And how do you have a "1 vs 8 seed" in a tournament with 7 teams in it?
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Old 10-13-2019, 08:32 PM
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You know what really gripes my ass?

Kofi Kingston's run to the WWE Championship was perhaps the most inspiring storyline leading into WrestleMania. He defends it against all comers, and then gets squashed in less than a minute by Brock Lesnar so he can face Cain Velasquez, who makes his WWE debut by competing for the championship in Saudi Arabia.

And a couple years ago, Kevin Owens' Universal Title reign was ended in less than a minute by Goldberg.

Why can't WWE be arsed to let their upper-midcard guys look like they have a chance in hell against their part-timers?
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Old 10-14-2019, 11:48 AM
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Because they're desperate for short-term ratings gains.

SD looks a lot prettier now, but it's mostly fluff. The only event of note was the Bailey-Charlotte match, which served mainly to bury Bailey's squeaky clean image.

Please please please don't make the Fox robot into an angle. It didn't work when WCW brought in Robocop. Learn from history.

Strange that each show would officially "draft" those who already had titles for those shows, yet neither took Brock.
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Old 10-14-2019, 12:04 PM
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Strange that each show would officially "draft" those who already had titles for those shows, yet neither took Brock.
That's what I was thinking. How are Natalya and Lucha House Party drafted, but not Bayley, Charlotte, Seth Rollins, et al. I know they want to give Raw some name-power drafts, but this just makes it look ridiculous. Vince can't do worked "real". I'm certain he's over-riding Heyman on this. Heyman was always smarter than this.
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I don't mind Kofi dropping the belt to Brock Lesnar; that much was a foregone conclusion. But they could have put on a match that was actually pretty good. Lesnar has had great matches with AJ Styles, Seth Rollins, and Daniel Bryan, but they made Kofi Kingston look like a punk bitch. And this is not the first time he's squashed Kofi, either. He did it a few years ago at a Japan show.
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Old 10-15-2019, 11:45 AM
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Yeah, don't ever get attached to any of them. They're going to be treated like dogshit somewhere down the line, and most likely it will be for impersonal business reasons. They wanted to promote Brock vs Cain Velasquez, and Kofi was irrelevant to those plans. He and New Day are going back to drawing in the kid audience.

Luke Harper is one of my faves, but as far he and WWE management goes, to paraphrase Lawler, "couldn't get any warmth even if they were cremated together." Hopefully after his time in contract limbo he'll pop up in AEW.
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Old 10-15-2019, 04:48 PM
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Well, that didn't take long.

Eric Bischoff out, Bruce Prichard in as SmackDown Executive Director (UPDATED)
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Old 10-16-2019, 07:21 AM
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In case you missed it (which I did), Wednesday Night Dynamite now has a companion series on YouTube, called AEW Dark. It debuts on Tuesday nights and features the matches that were taped before and after the previous week's live show, and is hosted by Tony Schiavone from a set that looks like the one WWF used on their USA shows in the pre-Raw era.

The matches on this week's episode are;

* "The Librarian" Tony Avalon vs. Kip Sabian vs. Sonny Kiss
* SoCal Uncensored & CIMA vs. the Dark Order, Angelico, & Jack Evans
* Lights-out match; Kenny Omega vs. Joey Janela

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Old 10-16-2019, 09:07 PM
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I am now a Marko Stunt mark.

He looks like he stopped growing at 12 yet he dances like a mayfly on lily pads.
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Old 10-16-2019, 09:15 PM
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Watching AEW for the first time tonight. Let's see how this goes....
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Old 10-16-2019, 10:03 PM
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Oh mah fucking GAWD!!!

Darby Allin just worked a match with his hands taped behind his back. It looked scary painful. He is now my god.
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Old 10-17-2019, 04:27 AM
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Oh mah fucking GAWD!!!

Darby Allin just worked a match with his hands taped behind his back. It looked scary painful. He is now my god.
2 1/2 years ago, I saw Darby Allin wrestle in an old ballroom outside downtown Seattle in front of 700 people against an Iron Sheik knockoff.

Tonight, he got to wrestle in front of 10,000 people and on worldwide TV, in a world championship match, against a guy who's been a main-eventer since before he was born.

It's amazing how quickly he's come up in the business. He's gotta be having the time of his life right now, and he's definitely a future world champ.
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Old 10-17-2019, 09:19 AM
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Sometimes, wrestlers go through several stages of character development before they settle on something that really establishes their identity. Steve Austin and The Rock, for example. Darby Allin mastered that on his own and at a very young age compared to most. He's an adrenaline junkie who combined skateboarders' flirting with disaster and urban graffiti fatalism into an identity like no other in this business.

I predict he's going to join the 27 Club.
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Old 10-17-2019, 11:22 AM
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Oh mah fucking GAWD!!!

Darby Allin just worked a match with his hands taped behind his back. It looked scary painful. He is now my god.
The problem I have with that is that it was very impressive--and now why should I care about Orange Cassidy, whose primary wrestling gimmick is how well he can do wrestling things with his hands in his pockets?
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I was definitely impressed with Darby Allen. He looked great in the match while also doing good things with his hands behind his back.

I thought the show itself was fine. I'm not a huge fan of JR's commentary, but it's absolutely refreshing to hear commentators that don't rely on stupid gimmicks or heel/face dynamics. I absolutely hate everything WWE does with commentary.

If there's one thing AEW really needs to improve on it's their camera work. There were some great spots that were missed (one in one of the tag matches especially) because the camera wasn't on the right person at the right time.

We'll see if I have another Wed night open to watch it in the future.
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Old 10-17-2019, 07:59 PM
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I was definitely impressed with Darby Allen. He looked great in the match while also doing good things with his hands behind his back.
Nitpick; he spells his name "Allin", as a reference to the notorious punk singer GG Allin.
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Why did Darby Allin have his hands tied behind his back? Did Jericho do that?
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Old 10-20-2019, 08:48 PM
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Anyone else listen to Jim Cornette let AEW have it with both barrels on his latest podcast?
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Old 10-22-2019, 10:13 AM
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Why did Darby Allin have his hands tied behind his back? Did Jericho do that?
It was a street fight. They whacked each other with kendo sticks, then Jericho brought out the duct tape while Darby was down and tied up his wrists. Darby could still duck clotheslines and climb the top turnbuckle and do martial arts kicks. He was about to do the Coffin Nail on Jericho when Hager came out and knocked him on side the head. Darby fell to the mat without having his hands to soften the landing. I was cringing the whole time.
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Is it me, or does it seem to be fairly obvious on which segments that VKM is getting his hands on? I could be wrong; no wrestling writer is 100%, but Rusev v. Lashley is abysmal, and the handling of Rollins especially in his feud with The Fiend is killing both characters. I'm thinking that Rollins is on a slow heel turn, same way they handled Bayley (or is it Bailey, I forget) whose hell turn was well-plotted. So far, if I'm right, Rollins turn has been ham-fisted, to say the least.

Then you get the McIntyre v. Ricochet match setting up the Saudi show. Awesome match, way to bring back McIntyre and to let him get his heat back on Ricochet. An upper mid-card feud for those two, especially if you give it title shot implications, would be fantastic (see Lee v. Dijavokic). The AoP packages need a payoff soon. Good thing Hawkins/Ryder are still available to job. How about The Ascension? Which brand did they end up on (or were they completely forgotten?) Great packages building Buddy Murphy and Andrade, and good squash matches to help build all these poorly-booked workers.

As for the main event, my guess is we will find out that either KO or AJ weren't cleared to wrestle, so that's why it was changed to a straight tag team match. Pretty sure it had been advertised all along as a 6-man with a mystery partner. Feel bad for The OC, but if maybe, just maybe, they stop booking just 2 teams at a time, we can see top teams getting both wins and losses against other top teams, creating a scrum for the title shots.
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anyone hear about the new japan of america thing happening?https://www.cagesideseats.com/2019/1...ansion-details

i say its about 30-40:years late ........
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people are debating if were going to get any of the japanese talent or just a bunch of guys from the indies ....i think its going to be sort-of like an indie card with a couple of legend matches thrown in at first to get name recognition go8ng and then it gets more mixed as it gets more well known
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I'm deactivating my WWE Network subscription for a month or two. It's clear that they're treading water creatively at this point, and I have no interest in watching Braun Strowman lay down for an anti-Semitic, homophobic non-wrestler who's getting paid more in Saudi blood money than most wrestlers will see in their careers, nor the following PPV where the rosters have to all suddenly get along, ignoring their alignments and rivalries, so they can fight the other roster for "brand supremacy", which (checks notes) means nothing. I'll probably turn it back on in time for the Royal Rumble.

In better news, here's the card for tomorrow's episode of Dynamite;

* PAC vs. Jon Moxley
* Private Party vs. Pentagon Jr. & Fenix (tag team championship semi-final)
* SCU vs. the Dark Order (tag team championship semi-final)
* The Young Bucks vs. Best Friends
* Joey Janela vs. Jack Evans

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Old 10-23-2019, 09:51 AM
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Anyone else watching NWA Powerrr on YouTube? Cornette is living his wet dream; the return of Georgia Championship Wrestling (complete with cheesy worked ads). I loved Gordon Solie and GCW back in the day, but unlike Cornette, I've grown and changed. Are there changes that I don't like? Sure, but I'm not sure I want to return to 1980-era wrestling. Last episode the heel tag team almost botched a power move. While they're big, beefy men, apparently they're not strong, big, beefy men, like Heavy Machinery.
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OMFG did I just see parade floats of Roman Reigns and The Undertaker? I am now scared of parades.
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OMFG did I just see parade floats of Roman Reigns and The Undertaker? I am now scared of parades.
You should be. After seeing that Undertaker parade float, you will now rest. In. PEACE.
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WWE has announced that Lacey Evans vs. Natalya has been added to the Crown Jewel card, making it the first-ever women's wrestling match in Saudi Arabia.

Naturally, it was announced with zero fanfare a day before the damn card takes place.
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WWE has announced that Lacey Evans vs. Natalya has been added to the Crown Jewel card, making it the first-ever women's wrestling match in Saudi Arabia.

Naturally, it was announced with zero fanfare a day before the damn card takes place.
Didn't they end their feud and team together just a few weeks ago? (rhetorical question) Obviously they'll be in full-body suits, but will they allow the faces to go uncovered?

I don't know how to feel about this. These Saudi shows are a shit-show to begin with, but anything that chips away at their pig-headed, disgusting views can't fully be a bad thing. We know VKM doesn't have the moral fibre to turn down the money - not many would - so do we hope for whatever little good can come out of it? Or is it just more Saudi propaganda to help with their current tourism advertising campaign? Maybe one from column A, one from column B?
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I have to admit, having someone on the card who's finisher is literally called the "Woman's Right" is pretty amusing.

BTW, a little late for this week, but anyone who is interested in Impact (ex-TNA), which has gotten considerably better after Dixie Carter, it's now Tuesdays on AXS, which is carried on considerably more carriers than their last few moves.
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I have to admit, having someone on the card who's finisher is literally called the "Woman's Right" is pretty amusing.
I like that, and she's a pretty good wrestler too.

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BTW, a little late for this week, but anyone who is interested in Impact (ex-TNA), which has gotten considerably better after Dixie Carter, it's now Tuesdays on AXS, which is carried on considerably more carriers than their last few moves.
Did they reboot yet? So far they've been showing clips from the past. Tessa Blanchard has left. She's now on WOW, the descendant of GLOW and POWW, but I suspect she's fielding other offers. WOW (also on AXS) isn't a really bad wrestling show, it's just not really that good overall, but some of the women are very talented.
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It's always a coin flip what to watch on Wednesday's, but this week's NXT opening knocked it out of the park with Io Shirai's entrance. Don't regret this week's choice.
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Meanwhile on AEW, 63-year old Ricky Morton takes a mad bump. And then Rick & Morty, almost his anagram, get a cross-promotion. ONLY 5 NEW EPISODES?

I guess Brandi Rhodes is more than a ring rat, now that she's a witch who controls Awesome Kong.

This is the first time I've seen Orange Cassidy. I'm sure Jim Cornette absolutely loathes him.

Jericho is an absolute heat wizard. "No, I don't suck. Skee-a-vone here does."
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Did they reboot yet? So far they've been showing clips from the past. Tessa Blanchard has left. She's now on WOW, the descendant of GLOW and POWW, but I suspect she's fielding other offers. WOW (also on AXS) isn't a really bad wrestling show, it's just not really that good overall, but some of the women are very talented.
This week's episode was the first full episode. Tessa Blanchard has not left--in fact she was the final image on the show, standing up to Sami Callihan after Sami beat Brian Cage for the Impact world title.
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WWE got the right ending for the main event, but Rollins vs. Fiend Wyatt just doesn't work for me as a compelling match. Whoever is writing for Rollins is doing Rollins a disservice, and often brings down whomever Rollins is facing. Time for Seth to go heel, work on getting some heat, because he just isn't working as a face.
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That's 100% right. Can't stand Seth as a face and even him chasing the title doesn't interest me. I'll take Roman as King Face again over Rollins...

The Saudi show was....a lot of fun? Save for the Brock/Cain stupidity, the rest of the show was a lot of fun to watch. The women's match was really good and it was awesome seeing the women and girls (shoutout to you little girl in overalls) in the crowd really getting into it. I'll give props to Tyson Fury for actually attempting to wrestle. He wasn't that particularly good at it, but he gave it an honest effort and it didn't look like that cash grab it was.

Best part of the show? The crowd was on fire. Wish American crowds were half that into the product...it'd make it more fun to watch. Overall though...good show.
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Seth can't get in sync with the audience.
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Old 11-01-2019, 10:38 AM
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Ooooh, NXT is going to do Women's War Games!

All their War Games matches have been epic. I'm sure Candace LaRae will try to outdo her hubby in the execution of sick bumpage.
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Went to an NXT house show for the first time in ages last night. Given it was halloween, they had a mens and womens over-the-top costume battle royale. Holy shit I laughed more during those matches than I ever have in wrestling. Some of the women were dressed like other wrestlers (The tall blonde who is always with Shayna Baezler was Matt Riddle, bare feet and all...Reah Ripley was HHH and was escorted to the ring by Shane Thorne as Chyna), some were just random costumes (Two girls as unicorns, Bianca Belair as a loofah, with her hair as the cord, Mia Yim as Mia Yim...but from Us) and some were just funny (Finn Balor-ina). The ultimate winner was Darth Baezler because she used her force powers to tell Mia Yim to eliminate herself.

The mens was just as funny. One guy who I can't remember came out as himself because "americans and halloween are stupid". Another guy came out as one of the wrestlers, then the actual guy came out as himself and they did the little Laurel & Hardy mirror gag. However, the two best, hands down, was someone coming out as a statue of julius caeser, and a giant inflatable 15 foot panda. The statue was my favorite one because he literally just stood in the middle of the ring and didn't move. Each of the wrestlers had a spot where they tried to hit him and hurt themselves (he's made of stone after all) or tried to lift him and couldn't. Otherwise, he just stood still in the middle of the ring. He was eventually eliminated by Superman because he was the only one that could life him. The giant panda was just huge. We don't know who was in him, but we THINK is was Kieth Lee. Regardless, he could barely move, much less wrestle...but it was funny. The winner for the men was someone dressed as Rakishi.

A final cool moment was right at the end all the lights went out, then came back up to reveal Scotty 2 Hotty (the actual one...not a costume) in the ring. He danced around a bit and did some of his old schticks.

All in all a very fun show.
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Old 11-01-2019, 11:57 AM
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Cameron Grimes reminds me of Shun Di, the drunken fighter from Sega's Virtua Fighter games. He moves like he's fueled by moonshine.

He was more of a work machine in Impact, and he seems to have adopted this new style in NXT. I'm really digging him.
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Lots of drama in Saudi Arabia. The majority of wrestlers and crew have been unable to leave the country, leaving tonight's Smackdown with a bare bones crew. Reasons for the delay are unclear, but some are reporting an issue between Vince and the promoters are to blame, with the wrestlers being "held hostage" as a result.

Rusev tweeted out a request for prayers, Andrade tweeted out "bad day in Saudi Arabia" and Buddy Murphy tweeted "never again."

Meltzer tweeted "Live by the sword, due by the sword."

I hope they make it back safely and soon. Too bad they can't do a Deadspin style walkout on Vince.
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There you go, lie down with dogs.

Maybe the Saudis thought the women's wrestling gear was too immodest, after all, you could still see their faces.

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They called in anybody they could get their hands on. They even called in Pat McAfee. I hope they don't decide to keep the NXT people.
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I think I discovered the inspiration for Bray Wyatt Fiend's mask.
The Wraith from Stargate Atlantis.
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STC, WhatCulture identified the participants of the NXT Halloween battle royal, but they didn't know who was inside Pandamonium.
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STC, WhatCulture identified the participants of the NXT Halloween battle royal, but they didn't know who was inside Pandamonium.
I wish they would have done everyone instead of just a top 10. But I'm glad they got the statue of Caeser in there...God he was funny.
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