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Old 06-08-2018, 07:47 PM
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It's Positive because the more people who carry guns in public, the safer we all are.
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Old 06-09-2018, 04:51 AM
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"Proud sellout" is somewhere between "dehydrated frog" and "human corpse turned into a life-sized hand-puppet to torment its onetime family in life" as far as things to be.
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FTR, Putnam is the leading candidate for the GOP gubernatorial nomination, and has described himself as "a proud NRA sellout". Big Sugar actually owns a controlling interest in him, with the NRA being a junior partner.

But expect him to get questioned on this almost like Hillary getting questioned on her e-mails.
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It's Positive because the more people who carry guns in public, the safer we all are.
And the higher our chances of being involved in a "Tactical Situation" where we can all act out our fantasies and just feel alive.
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It's Positive because the more people who carry guns in public, the safer we all are.
But it is negative because the unqualified and untrained employee that was allowing those who were ineligible to purchase a gun to pass a background check was fired, and now criminals and domestic abusers will have a harder time arming themselves, meaning fewer guns and less safety.

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Is it just me, or do these guys really like passing the buck down to their employees. Sure, she did wrong, but she did wrong under the direction and supervision of those whose job it was to direct and supervise her to do it right.

Sounds like she wasn't deceitful, and the negligence was on the part of the person who assigned her the job.

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Old 06-12-2018, 07:35 PM
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FBI agent who accidentally shot a man after back flip in Denver club is charged with assault
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An off-duty FBI agent who, authorities say, accidentally shot someone after his gun flew from his holster as he was doing a back flip inside a Denver bar has been charged with second-degree assault.

The Denver District Attorney’s Office said Chase Bishop, 29, turned himself in Tuesday and was charged with the Class 4 felony, punishable by two to six years in prison and a fine of up to $500,000. The Denver Sheriff’s Department inmate database shows that Bishop has been booked in the Downtown Detention Center.
I always thought assault required intent and that this would have been processed as reckless endangerment or something along that vein. But I suppose the DA knows what he's doing.
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Old 06-13-2018, 06:32 PM
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A Colorado Springs man faces a criminal citation after shooting himself in the leg while trying to kill a raccoon just after midnight Wednesday morning.

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“The male stated he was attempting to shoot a raccoon on a telephone pole, with his revolver handgun, and accidentally shot himself in the lower leg,” a police report says.
https://www.denverpost.com/2018/06/1...n-shoots-self/
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Another gun nut to embarassed to admit that he was masturbating with his gun when it went off.
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Another gun nut to embarassed to admit that he was masturbating with his gun when it went off.
Masturbating with a gun gives new meaning to "gun nut".
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Another gun nut to embarassed to admit that he was masturbating with his gun when it went off.
What, exactly, went off?
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Old 06-14-2018, 07:22 AM
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"Lower leg", huh?
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Old 06-14-2018, 09:39 AM
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If not his leg, what else was he using as a backstop?

Seems firing at something on a telephone pole is the perfect angle to get a nice ballistic trajectory that carries on with lethal velocity for a good long while.

There is also quite a bit of expensive equipment on and around the telephone pole that the cable, phone, and electric companies would probably rather not have destroyed.

There is also the overall legality. You do need a license to hunt raccoons legally, unless they are in your house.
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Old 06-14-2018, 11:04 AM
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… he was attempting to shoot a raccoon on a telephone pole …” could be read in one of two ways. For it to make sense, he was up on the telephone pole and the trash panda was coming up after him.
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… he was attempting to shoot a raccoon on a telephone pole …” could be read in one of two ways. For it to make sense, he was up on the telephone pole and the trash panda was coming up after him.
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Also, probably exactly what happened.
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You do need a license to hunt raccoons legally, unless they are in your house.
That's where the stand-your-ground laws come in?
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He wouldn't have been the first person to make the mistake of shooting at a racoon that is sitting at the top of a wooden pole. https://youtu.be/4SAR-QmFiPY?t=44s
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That's where the stand-your-ground laws come in?
Climbing up a power pole, being chased by a furry bandit, sounds a lot like not standing your ground.
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Old 06-14-2018, 03:50 PM
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Oh, he climbed the pole? I assumed it was the bandit-faced rat. They're much better at it.

Okay, we have a Non-Defensive (because failed and cowardly) Gun Use, with 1 injury (to the shooter himself, nearly a member of the Darwin Awards site). Thank Og for the Second Amendment!
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Oh, he climbed the pole?
That was my inference. He shot himself in the leg while trying to shoot a raccoon on the pole. Do the math (or assume that there is some kind of flaw in his story).
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That was my inference. He shot himself in the leg while trying to shoot a raccoon on the pole. Do the math (or assume that there is some kind of flaw in his story).
The flaw in him was the hole that he created.
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Well, that thing that's supposed to be nigh impossible has happened again: a gun fell to the floor and mysteriously discharged. In this case, a rifle leaning up against a wall fell over, went off, and shot the owner through both heels. Luckily, no one other than the responsible gun owner was harmed.

https://wgno.com/2018/06/14/there-wa...mpression=true
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People kill people.
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Late night arts festival in Trenton NJ turns into a shooting gallery. Twenty two injured, no fatalities reported. One suspect is dead, one is in custody.

It appears that a dispute among several people escalated until the guns came out. Because an armed society is a polite society. Not right away, of course. But eventually, when all the bad guys are dead, our society will be so polite you won't believe it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.9b82fdf8a9d0
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Tell us again who the bad guys are, and how to tell.
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Tell us again who the bad guys are, and how to tell.
The bad guys are the ones that end up dead.

You can tell, because they can't.
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The Good Guys post here about Defensive Gun Uses.
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Old 06-19-2018, 07:04 AM
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There are a billion guns in the world, half of them in the US.

How many more do we need before we're safe?
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Old 06-19-2018, 07:26 AM
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I don't think we should stop until all 1 billion are here in the good ol' USA. THAT will make us safe!
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Old 06-19-2018, 07:31 PM
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A man with a gun tattooed on his forehead was arrested for unlawful carrying of a firearm
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More like Stupid Tattoo News. Seriously, people, don't tattoo things on your forehead.
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Old 06-20-2018, 09:18 AM
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That guy was also driving under a suspended license. Not sure why we require licenses to drive, since criminals will just ignore that law.
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Not sure why we require licenses to drive, since criminals will just ignore that law.
And if we sent police to enforce that law, those drivers plan to just run them over in the cause of Defending Our Freedom Against Tyranny.
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The NRA recently took down its past history of politician ratings:

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Last week, though, the Washington Post reported a change in the NRA’s presentation of its letter grades. Although evaluations for current races are online, past grades -- once available to members -- no longer are. When a Post reporter called the NRA to find out where the past grades had gone, the person who answered the phone said, "I think our enemies were using that."
Silly people; haven't you heard that it's not that easy to make something disappear from the Internet?

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Sorry, guys; looks like you haven't been able to cut off your enemies', ahem, ammunition.
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Earlier that day, a customer at the Fishers, Indiana, store sat down on the couch to test it out, CNN affiliate WTTV reported.

When he got up to keep shopping, he didn't realize his gun had fallen out of his pants.

Later, a group of kids sat down on the sofa and found the gun, Fishers police told WTTV. One of them pulled the trigger and fired a single shot.
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I'm in eastern Europe at the moment. I was speaking with two Romanian men touring by motorcycle. One of them was a border guard. I add them if they wanted to tour the US and they said no, there are too many guns.

Put a man on the moon, invent the Internet, and be the birthplace of Rock and Roll, but let several hundred school children be killed st school and that's all you are known for.
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Shouldn't this be in the "positive gun news" thread?

Kid finds free gun at IKEA. Gets to test it out.

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I assume that in the 8 hour training class that people are supposed to take before they can walk around public with a gun, they don't actually teach anything about ensuring that your gun actually stays on you. They should really add that tidbit of advice to the students they pump through the CCW classes these days. Especially if you are going to utterly ignore the "no weapons" policy that the private property owner has requested of citizens wishing to come into the premises.

I get the people that refuse to enter a store that has a "no guns" sign, as they are unable to function without their fetish, but to ignore the desires of the private property owners upon which they are imposiung shows a certain mindset that rules just don't apply to them, because they have a gun.
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I get the people that refuse to enter a store that has a "no guns" sign, as they are unable to function without their fetish, but to ignore the desires of the private property owners upon which they are imposiung shows a certain mindset that rules just don't apply to them, because they have a gun.
A black, Muslim, lesbian, atheist terrorist might take over the store while they are there, and then what? You expect them NOT to carry a gun to be prepared for that likely event?
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A black, Muslim, lesbian, atheist terrorist might take over the store while they are there, and then what? You expect them NOT to carry a gun to be prepared for that likely event?
That's why I just don't go to IKEA, especially not on Thursdays.

But, seriously, you have a problem with gun free zones, then that's fine, don't go into them, if you think that it makes you unsafe. Don't just refuse to recognize the private property owner's rights though, and bring your gun into the gun free zone. That makes *you* the criminal. That makes *you* the danger to the public.
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Not just there. If you carry, you are a threat.
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\Don't just refuse to recognize the private property owner's rights though, and bring your gun into the gun free zone. That makes *you* the criminal. That makes *you* the danger to the public.
In Indiana there is no law enforcing no carry signs so you actually aren't automatically a criminal.

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The article states that "IKEA ... has a strict no weapons policy", but it doesn't say whether that store has any signage posted indicating that policy.

All that said, there is absolutely no excuse for being so incompetent as to lose a weapon that you choose to carry.
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Given that just about any Google-fu will give you plenty of complaints from concealed and open carry advocates about IKEA's general policy and signage, is that really the insinuation you want to make?
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In Indiana there is no law enforcing no carry signs so you actually aren't automatically a criminal.
IANAL (thank God) but to enter private property when expressly prohibited ("No guns allowed") should be trespassing, a misdemeanor or even felony in most (all?) states.

But perhaps the signage must be explicit: "Leave your gun behind or you will be prosecuted for trespassing" rather than just "No guns allowed" ?
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In Indiana there is no law enforcing no carry signs so you actually aren't automatically a criminal.

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The article states that "IKEA ... has a strict no weapons policy", but it doesn't say whether that store has any signage posted indicating that policy.

All that said, there is absolutely no excuse for being so incompetent as to lose a weapon that you choose to carry.
It seems odd that Indiana has no respect for property rights of private individuals.

Of course, even your link itself says "GunsToCarry recommends that you do not enter a property displaying a “No Weapons” sign whether the law is for or against signage. " for the reason that, "If asked to leave a property and you refuse to do so then you are breaking the law and put yourself at risk of being charged." (It should also add in that, if you are stupid and obstinate enough to ignore the wishes of the property owners, then you are probably stupid enough to leave your gun behind in an IKEA couch for a kid to find.)

So, basically, what you are saying is that, if the private property owners don't know that you are trespassing on their property by carrying a gun against their wishes, then you won't get into any trouble. But, that's true of any sort of trespass, or any sort of crime at all. Yeah, you can get away with crimes if you don't get caught, that's not unique to ignoring the wishes of private property owners in Indiana.

I ask you, if you were insistent upon ignoring the wishes of the private property owners that you are imposing upon, and they were to ask you to leave due to your disregard for the rules in place for their private property, would you try to make a deal out of it, and whine and complain that your rights are being "trampled upon", or would you realize that you were you were the one in the wrong from the moment that you passed the "no guns" sign while carrying a gun, and apologize for your trespass and imposition?

Finally, due to your insistence that this guy was legally all in the right, do you feel that he should face any repercussions for his endangering of the public, or do you think that being separated from his gun for a few hours was punishment enough?
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So if a store has a "No Guns Allowed"-sign and a gun nut goes in with a gun, can the security guard shoot him on the spot ?
If he does so, what are consequences for him, assuming the gun nut is white ?
( Also, will it end up on the stupid gun news or good guns news thread ? )
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So if a store has a "No Guns Allowed"-sign and a gun nut goes in with a gun, can the security guard shoot him on the spot ?
If he does so, what are consequences for him, assuming the gun nut is white ?
( Also, will it end up on the stupid gun news or good guns news thread ? )
I would wait until the guy looks like he his pulling out his wallet to pay for any shopping he did. Then shoot him because "I was scared"
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Given that just about any Google-fu will give you plenty of complaints from concealed and open carry advocates about IKEA's general policy and signage, is that really the insinuation you want to make?
I'm not insinuating anything. I'm simply declining to assume facts not in evidence.

Was their signage? Probably. Would I bet money one way or the other? No.

The fact that the video showed plenty of footage of the store front and the IKEA sign while not showing any clips of a no guns sign provides reasonable doubt.
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And the impossible has happened again. Woman goes into Walmart, drops her gun, gun goes off. The responsible gun owner suffered minor injuries. No one else was injured.

https://amp.jacksonsun.com/amp/74723...mpression=true
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