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Old 09-13-2018, 02:57 PM
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NFL Week 2

Thursday
BAL @ CIN

Sunday early early
CAR @ ATL -3
LAC -7.5 @ BUF
MIN @ GB -2.5
HOU @ TEN
CLE @ NO -7.5
MIA @ NYJ -1
KC @ PIT -5.5
PHI -3 @ TB
IND @ WAS -3.5

Sunday late
ARI @ LAR -10
DET @ SF -3.5
OAK @ DEN -4
NE @ JAX

SNF
The 10000th NYG @ DAL -3 primetime game

MNF
SEA @ CHI -3
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Old 09-13-2018, 03:04 PM
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Tonight's game should be interesting to AFCN fans. Two teams enter. One leaves in first place.

It's kinda tough to figure out. Baltimore absolutely shredded Buffalo, but they're the Bills and they aren't any good.

It's Cincinnati's home opener...can they get Mixon going again behind their "revamped" o-line? Can Cincinnati's defensive front get pressure on Flacco? Will the Ravens try to use gadget Lamar Randle-El plays?

Bengals 32-Ravens 27
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No line seems a bit weird, I'd probably set it at like Bal +2.5. I think they'll beat that margin.
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Old 09-13-2018, 03:16 PM
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Washington has a tougher game than they seem to think. Confidence is pretty high after last week's dominating performance against the Cardinals, but-- it was the Cards. Was just like beating up on them when they were in the NFC East.

I don't know much about the Colts besides Luck and TY Hilton. Do they still have Vinatieri? I think Frank Gore has moved on, right? Their defense was awful last season, and their passing defense got lit up by Andy Dalton last week.

Washington's defense was good against Sam Bradford, but, again-- it was Sam Bradford. While I am not as impressed with Luck as most are, there is no doubt he's clearly many heads and helmets above Sam Bradford when it comes to NFL quarterbacking.

All indications seem to point to Washington winning this at home in a laugher, but those are exactly the types of games where this team has traditionally (in the Dan Snyder era) shrunk from the occasion and shit the sheets big time.
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No line seems a bit weird, I'd probably set it at like Bal +2.5. I think they'll beat that margin.
Mirage & Caesars had it at Bal -1. https://www.vegas.com/gaming/sportsline/football/

Houston -2 from the above link seems like a good bet, despite the egg they laid at Foxboro last week.

Denver is already up to -6, from the -4 in your cite, and I think I'd still take them.
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Old 09-13-2018, 04:26 PM
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Wow, I thought the Browns were getting 10 last I looked. 7.5 still seems like a bit much, I'm hoping Tyrod can throw the ball with some consistency in the confines of the Superdome.
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Old 09-13-2018, 04:29 PM
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Wow, I thought the Browns were getting 10 last I looked. 7.5 still seems like a bit much, I'm hoping Tyrod can throw the ball with some consistency in the confines of the Superdome.
Well, Ryan Fitzpatrick could!

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Old 09-13-2018, 04:39 PM
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Kind of sad in a way that the Bills aren't giving Peterman a chance to avenge his 5-interception half against the Chargers. I guess it's a good situation for Allen, in the sense that to be an improvement he just has to have less than 35% of his throws picked off.
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Flacco channeling his 2013 playoff run with a underthrown pass.over the middle into double coverage that goes through a defenders arms for a long completion. Dude turned being great for a 4 game run into hundreds of millions of dollars.
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Old 09-13-2018, 11:54 PM
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Bengals 2-0! Showed some grit against Baltimore too.
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Old 09-14-2018, 09:29 AM
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The Bengals might be better than I thought because I legit thought they could be worse than the Browns this year. But I doubt you'll get many (if any) more 4 TD games out of Andy Dalton.
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Old 09-14-2018, 10:32 AM
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The Bengals might be better than I thought because I legit thought they could be worse than the Browns this year. But I doubt you'll get many (if any) more 4 TD games out of Andy Dalton.
Maybe, maybe not. The Bengals offense looks pretty dynamic with Mixon in there and Dalton spreading the ball around. Tyler Boyd had a big game. Collectively the TE's were good. As Eifert continues to demonstrate he can stay healthy he'll get more involved in the offense.

On defense we've definitely got some playmakers, and Burfict isn't even back yet.
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Old 09-14-2018, 12:34 PM
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Dalton’s good enough to not drag down a good team. I’m intrigued by the Bengals this season and I’m interested in seeing if they finally get a playoff win.
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Old 09-14-2018, 12:43 PM
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Dalton’s good enough to not drag down a good team. I’m intrigued by the Bengals this season and I’m interested in seeing if they finally get a playoff win.
Totally agree. He was in the MVP discussion in 2015 until he broke his thumb tackling a defender that had picked him off. His season ended there with 25 TD's against 7 INT's and had a 66.1% completions rate and an 8.4 yards per throw average.

I have my concerns (the injury to the starting center, rookie Billy Price, chief among them). Will John Ross ever be worth the #9 overall pick? He seems kinda lost out there, like he has no confidence. Bobby Hart is not a very good RT either. Cedric Ogbuehi muat be the highest paid inactive player in the NFL.

We need Burfict and Preston Brown back in a big way. Our LB play, especially in TE coverage has been pretty shitty. We are solid up front on defense and our CB's are good (Kirkpatrick, Dennard) to great (WJIII). Both our safeties grabbed a pick. Bates looks like a gamer (and a bit of a gambler) back there. Williams will knock your dick in the dirt (or hit your high priced QB in the head and get ejected).

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Old 09-15-2018, 07:27 PM
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Josh Gordon out with a hamstring. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...mstring-injury

Maybe it's legit, but wow, I'd leave my umbrella at home if this guy told me it was raining.
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Old 09-15-2018, 07:38 PM
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Josh Gordon out with a hamstring. http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/2...mstring-injury

Maybe it's legit, but wow, I'd leave my umbrella at home if this guy told me it was raining.


Maybe I should buy a lottery ticket, the Browns are releasing him on Monday.

https://twitter.com/nfl/status/1041109179065356288?s=21

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Too late to edit, but it seems Gordon showed up late to practice and ‘wasn’t himself.’

https://www.cleveland.com/browns/ind..._gordon_4.html
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Old 09-15-2018, 09:59 PM
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Bobby Hart is not a very good RT either.
No, he really is not. The entire Giants offensive line was atrocious for the past three years, and Bobby Hart was the starting RT all three of those years.

Unfortunately for the Giants, they replaced Hart with someone who may actually be worse: The guy who used to start at LT during those years, Ereck Flowers, was moved over to RT. Flowers was a historically bad LT, but the story was always that RT was his natural position so the hope was he wouldn't stink up the joint this year. While he didn't quite single-handedly lose the game for the Giants last week, it wasn't for lack of trying. Just horrible.

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Shame about Gordon. I love me a good redemption story, so I was rooting for him. But it appears his issues run too deep for now. Here's hoping he finds some measure of peace and resilience to conquer his demons.
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Interesting observation: The NFL has been having London games for at least 10 years now. It’s Sunday night in the UK, there’s not a mention of the NFL on the BBC sport or Sky Sport webpages and apps.
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Okay, I don't understand the call in the Chargers-Bills game. Bills player muffs the punt, it's scooped up by another Bill, takes it back into the end zone, and loses his helmet while in the end zone, which should be the end of the play. Ball in Bills control in their own end zone, it should be a safety. Now, there could still be a personal foul enforced on the free kick after the safety, but I cannot figure out how the call is instead Bills ball with a touchback and a personal foul.

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Old 09-16-2018, 03:19 PM
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So, after these two weeks, is Zane Gonzalez done in Cleveland? How hard is it to replace a place kicker these days in the NFL?
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Packers-Vikings Tie game! Could have ended for either team with a successful field goal (well, not the first one in OT)
Some questionable calls (I'm not a neutral observer so I can't make a honest count which way they leaned)

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Vikings-Packers is apparently the first 29-29 game in NFL history. https://scorigami.herokuapp.com/

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Buffalo's cornerback Vontae Davis retires. At halftime.

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I knew Buffalo was a crappy place to live , I guess that proves it .
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So, after these two weeks, is Zane Gonzalez done in Cleveland? How hard is it to replace a place kicker these days in the NFL?
they will likely tryout some guys who were cut in the preseason, there are always those guys around.
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they will likely tryout some guys who were cut in the preseason, there are always those guys around.
Yup. There are always a bunch of journeyman kickers bouncing around. I wouldn't be surprised if Minnesota brings in a few for tryouts this week, as well.
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All indications seem to point to Washington winning this at home in a laugher, but those are exactly the types of games where this team has traditionally (in the Dan Snyder era) shrunk from the occasion and shit the sheets big time.
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Worse 3 lettered QB, Dak or Eli?
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Trick question. Both are painful to watch.
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Packers-Vikings Tie game! Could have ended for either team with a successful field goal (well, not the first one in OT)
Some questionable calls (I'm not a neutral observer so I can't make a honest count which way they leaned)

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Yup. There are always a bunch of journeyman kickers bouncing around. I wouldn't be surprised if Minnesota brings in a few for tryouts this week, as well.
Dan Bailey, cut from Dallas, will be employed by the end of the week / or Monday! My $0.02.

Wonder if there are odds on that?
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Okay, I don't understand the call in the Chargers-Bills game. Bills player muffs the punt, it's scooped up by another Bill, takes it back into the end zone, and loses his helmet while in the end zone, which should be the end of the play. Ball in Bills control in their own end zone, it should be a safety. Now, there could still be a personal foul enforced on the free kick after the safety, but I cannot figure out how the call is instead Bills ball with a touchback and a personal foul.
A muffed punt is treated as a weird hybrid of a fumble and a punt. For example the kicking team can recover it, but they can't advance it when they do. The Bill recovered in the end zone, so it's a touchback just the same as if it had happened without the muff.

I thought he recovered in the end zone (just going by memory) - if he recovered outside the end zone and then took it in, then I don't understand the ruling.
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I thought he recovered in the end zone (just going by memory) - if he recovered outside the end zone and then took it in, then I don't understand the ruling.
Yep, looking at this, the ball had already rolled into the end zone by the time he recovered it:
https://twitter.com/ProFootballDoc/s...oody-nfl-rules
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I thought he recovered in the end zone (just going by memory) - if he recovered outside the end zone and then took it in, then I don't understand the ruling.
Video here.

IMO it should have been ruled a fumble/safety but
1) maybe he "didn't have control for long enough" a la a receiver has control but it is not a catch to the letter of the law or
2) it is some obscure rule that goes against reason like the fumble through the endzone is a change of possession rule

The worst part is that it was a touchback. At best it should have been placed on the 9. New strategy for receiving teams: put a guy in the endzone and "muff" every punt/kick into the endzone for him to recover.
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I guess I didn't see the play right. I thought he collected the ball outside the end zone then took it back into the end zone while trying to advance the ball. Which is why I was thinking safety, instead of touchback.
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Dan Bailey is once again employed. So while the Vikings get one of the most accurate kickers in NFL history, the Browns signed...... Greg Joseph? Joseph was an undrafted free agent out of Florida Atlantic and made only 69.5% of his FG tries in college, including 15-of-21 kicks (71.4 percent) as a fifth-year senior in 2017. Browns gonna Brown.
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Embattled former Browns WR Josh Gordon to New England Patriots for a conditional 5th round pick. I still think this will be more of a Michael Floyd situation and won't amount to much. But I could be wrong. It seems Gordon has more lives than a cat in the league. How many more chances will he get if (read: when) he fucks up yet again?
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The Pats had to release former Browns WR Corey Coleman to make room for former Browns WR Josh Gordon.
The kicker situation is weird. Zane Gonzalez was serviceable last year, but apparently now he sucks. Hard to believe this Greg Joseph was the best available. Ah well.
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It is becoming increasingly clear that Russel Wilson lucked into a great situation as a rookie, but just isn't a very good QB. Which I feel now highly smug about, for having mocked Carrol for drafting him back in the day.

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So what is basically a 2 year non-winning streak could be over with a well-earned win over New Orleans except, of course, for historically bad kicking. 4 miss kicks, including 2 PATs, and given that the game went to overtime, every single point was relevant. Sure, sometimes you get a flukey day and lose a game you really deserve to win - so be it. But to do that after the end of a 20 game losing streak is just disproportionately horrible.

I'm trying not to talk about Josh Gordon until I can seek professional help for this personal crisis.
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It's like watching the 2010 Bears, where a stellar defense comes in to save a stagnant offense from the vagaries of the play of a QB that the Bears horribly overpaid for.
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I'm trying not to talk about Josh Gordon until I can seek professional help for this personal crisis.
I'd call it a co-dependent relationship, but I don't think Josh Gordon gives a shit about you. So lets call it a PTSDbased-uni-dependent relationship.
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You're alcohol and a sense of entitlement?
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It is becoming increasingly clear that Russel Wilson lucked into a great situation as a rookie, but just isn't a very good QB. Which I feel now highly smug about, for having mocked Carrol for drafting him back in the day.
By the numbers you are dead, dead wrong. He’s one of the best QBs in the league (he scored over 80% of their points last year) but he’s on a team that has had huge setbacks in personnel thus past year. But you can feel highly smug in your ignorance there if you like.

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To back up my words here’s an article from just 9 months ago.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/s...-2017-nfl-mvp/

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2017/1...s-carson-wentz

And earlier that year.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...nse/813534001/

Two close losses in games against good teams and now he’s a bad QB?
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