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Old 09-02-2011, 02:06 PM
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Wow did I find one! To be fair, I don't know if this person is a "liberal" but it is definitely a Stupid Democratic Idea of the day/month/year.

Babysitting legislation in CA:

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Under AB 889, household “employers” (aka “parents”) who hire a babysitter on a Friday night will be legally obligated to pay at least minimum wage to any sitter over the age of 18 (unless it is a family member), provide a substitute caregiver every two hours to cover rest and meal breaks, in addition to workers' compensation coverage, overtime pay, and a meticulously calculated timecard/paycheck.
Maybe there is something good here that I missed, but it sure looks like a huge pain in the ass to me. It does look like its for 18 year olds who aren't family members, so maybe its not that big of a deal, but it looks like a solution looking for a problem.
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Wow did I find one! To be fair, I don't know if this person is a "liberal" but it is definitely a Stupid Democratic Idea of the day/month/year.

Babysitting legislation in CA:



Maybe there is something good here that I missed, but it sure looks like a huge pain in the ass to me. It does look like its for 18 year olds who aren't family members, so maybe its not that big of a deal, but it looks like a solution looking for a problem.
So in other words, you're in favor of a tacit exemption to labor laws continuing for working class adults? The bill's fine, especially as it doesn't affect the primary babysitters of the world (namely teenagers).
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I can't find the provision for a "substitute caregiver every two hours," either, which sounds insane.
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So in other words, you're in favor of a tacit exemption to labor laws continuing for working class adults? The bill's fine, especially as it doesn't affect the primary babysitters of the world (namely teenagers).
No, I'm just concerned that putting the documentation burden on parents, not just commercial enterprises, becomes troublesome. The fact that the bill excludes teenagers is definitely a saving grace, and I definitely agree that all members of the working world have those rights. But I am also cognizant of unintended consequences, and it seems like this bill is opening a can of worms that won't be easily closed or dealt with. Is there rampant abuse of personal care staff in private homes? I was not aware that this was a significant problem that needed specific legislation. Does current legislation giving workers those rights specifically exclude these types of employees?

Edit: Vinyl Turnip, that was one of the clauses the article mentioned that really startled me, and made me question whether this was really a good idea.

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So in other words, you're in favor of a tacit exemption to labor laws continuing for working class adults? The bill's fine, especially as it doesn't affect the primary babysitters of the world (namely teenagers).
So you are saying that when our next door neighbor watches our kids for a few hours every couple of months, we should be find a second babysitter to come and relieve her for a break every two hours? She isn't a nanny, she just like to babysit occasionally.
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I don't think it's mentioned in that particular bill, but presumably the "every two hours" is a slightly spun interpretation of the California labor law that an employee is entitled to a 10-minute break for every 4-hour work period, and that it ideally should be taken as close to the halfway point as possible. Also that an employee who works five or more hours is entitled to a 30-minute lunch break.

If they don't get all the 10-minute breaks they're entitled to for the day, the employer is supposed to pay an extra hour's wages.

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Old 09-02-2011, 03:01 PM
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Wow did I find one! To be fair, I don't know if this person is a "liberal" but it is definitely a Stupid Democratic Idea of the day/month/year.

Babysitting legislation in CA:



Maybe there is something good here that I missed, but it sure looks like a huge pain in the ass to me. It does look like its for 18 year olds who aren't family members, so maybe its not that big of a deal, but it looks like a solution looking for a problem.
What you're quoting is an editorial by a right-wing Republican state legislator. I'm not going to slog through all the language of the bill, but I'm willing to bet that the whole thing is a bunch of crap. The bill mentions "nannies" which are a completely different thing than a babysitter. Nannies are a full time job every day, not working for three hours on a Friday night.

I'm 95% confident in saying that this bill does not apply to what most people consider "babysitters."
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So you are saying that when our next door neighbor watches our kids for a few hours every couple of months, we should be find a second babysitter to come and relieve her for a break every two hours? She isn't a nanny, she just like to babysit occasionally.
Are you employing her as a babysitter? You don't mention money changing hands.
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What you're quoting is an editorial by a right-wing Republican state legislator. I'm not going to slog through all the language of the bill, but I'm willing to bet that the whole thing is a bunch of crap. The bill mentions "nannies" which are a completely different thing than a babysitter. Nannies are a full time job every day, not working for three hours on a Friday night.

I'm 95% confident in saying that this bill does not apply to what most people consider "babysitters."
Good point, I did notice that the language was too far over the top to truly be an objective source. I'm not particularly interested in reading the bill either, so you are correct that this may not qualify as a "stupid" idea, perhaps it was just described in a stupid over-the-top way. It certainly sounded like a stupid bill in the article, perhaps I was hasty.
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Stupid fucking liberals. :twak:

Why don't they make it so us parents that watch our kids all day get a break every two hours?
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Old 09-03-2011, 10:54 AM
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Why don't they make it so us parents that watch our kids all day get a break every two hours?
Nobody's stopping you.
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It just speaks for itself.
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:21 AM
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Yeah, how dare they offer to give you the facts?
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Old 09-19-2011, 09:50 AM
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RNATB, you don't understand. It is every American's God-given right to attack the President, with or without facts. And it's been that way every since George W. Bush left office.

Don't buck tradition, friend.
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I'm failing to see the stupid there.
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I'm failing to see the stupid there.
You're looking at the link and not the poster.
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What could be stupider than arming yourself to defend against attacks on a president you support using a few facts?

Or is it just stupid to think the Right-wing attacks aren't fact resistant?

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I seem to recall a GOP website not all that long ago requesting ideas to make the country better. That was pretty stupid, insofar as asking the Internet for ideas without moderation is always a bad idea.

Although: dinosaurs!
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Old 09-19-2011, 10:39 AM
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It just speaks for itself.
Imagine it didn't. What would you say then?
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Imagine it didn't. What would you say then?
Res ipsa loquitor comes to mind.
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Let's suspend elections. Oh, yeah, that's a real good idea.
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That's pretty good stupid.

C'mon kids, lets give Clothahump a cheer-- He's tryin' so hard.
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Let's suspend elections. Oh, yeah, that's a real good idea.
Yup. Stupid. Very stupid.
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Old 09-29-2011, 06:52 AM
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Never mind that she quite clearly explained that it was a joke.
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Old 09-29-2011, 07:19 AM
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The best part is that her hyperbole is addressing the very real stupidity of the Teabaggers driving our economy over the cliff by paralyzing the Republicans with threats of primaries if they set on toe over the aisle to actully accomplish something.
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Never mind that she quite clearly explained that it was a joke.
Joke or not, it was STILL stupid. Clothy's got so little to work with, I'm going to give him this one.
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Never mind that she quite clearly explained that it was a joke.
Everyone "explains it was a joke" after they realize they said something stupid. Or, more accurately, their campaign managers/press officers do it for them.

We don't give Palin, Bachmann, et al a pass, so there's no reason for anyone to give Bev Purdue one.
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It's like Poe's law, but backward. Lenore's law?
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As an NC Democrat who (held his nose and) voted for Purdue, I will freely admit it was stoopid.
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So whose idea was it to ban lawn darts? Was that a stupid liberal idea?
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That's pretty good stupid.

C'mon kids, lets give Clothahump a cheer-- He's tryin' so hard.
Yeah, and there is so goddam much stoopid to choose from, it's overwhelming. But I appreciate the kind words.
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Here, let me help. According to that brilliant liberal light, Jeaneane Garofolo, Republican support for Herman Cain is racist. I presume she feels the same way about Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice and every other black Republican in the country as well.

As time goes by and more and more blacks enter the upper ranks of Republican politics, this stupid and dishonest tactic by the left becomes more and more laughable.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...rman_cain.html
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Stupid Starving idea of the day minute: pretending Jean Garofalo said something she didn't. From your own link:
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Herman Cain is probably well liked by some of the Republicans because it hides the racist elements of the Republican party. Conservative movement and tea party movement, one in the same.

People like Karl Rove liked to keep the racism very covert. And so Herman Cain provides this great opportunity say you can say 'Look, this is not a racist, anti-immigrant, anti-female, anti-gay movement. Look we have a black man.'
She's not saying Cain supporters are racist, moron. She said Republicans like Cain because it makes the party seem less racist.
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Here, let me help. According to that brilliant liberal light, Jeaneane Garofolo, Republican support for Herman Cain is racist. I presume she feels the same way about Clarence Thomas, Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice and every other black Republican in the country as well.

As time goes by and more and more blacks enter the upper ranks of Republican politics, this stupid and dishonest tactic by the left becomes more and more laughable.

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Well, she did use the terms "probably" and "some of the Republicans"

So at least she's not guilty of painting an entire group with a broad brush, unlike some folks here. ("stupid and dishonest tactic of the left") I thought that she was some kind of comic and/or actress. I did not realize that she spoke for the Democrats or even for the entire "left".
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Rightys grasping at straws . What is new? SOS.
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Well, she did use the terms "probably" and "some of the Republicans"

So at least she's not guilty of painting an entire group with a broad brush, unlike some folks here. ("stupid and dishonest tactic of the left") I thought that she was some kind of comic and/or actress. I did not realize that she spoke for the Democrats or even for the entire "left".
How can you possibly, on this board where conservatives, Republican and Tea Partiers come in for broad brush criticism and false accusations multiple times hourly, complain about this broad brush characterization toward the left, which, as far as I'm able to determine, is unanimus in attempting to portray conservatives and Republicans as racist?
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Here, let me help. According to that brilliant liberal light, Jeaneane Garofolo, Republican support for Herman Cain is racist.
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How can you possibly, on this board where conservatives, Republican and Tea Partiers come in for broad brush criticism and false accusations multiple times hourly, complain about this broad brush characterization toward the left, which, as far as I'm able to determine, is unanimus in attempting to portray conservatives and Republicans as racist?
These two claims are not the same.
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Leaving aside the fact that (as I've already pointed out) you clearly didn't read what she said... how can one person be unanimous, exactly?
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Never mind that she quite clearly explained that it was a joke.
When asked for comment, Perdue expressed surprise at the outcry over her remark, which she again insisted was a joke.

"It wasn't even funny," she said. "That stuff usually kills with the Right!"
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How can you possibly, on this board where conservatives, Republican and Tea Partiers come in for broad brush criticism and false accusations multiple times hourly, complain about this broad brush characterization toward the left, which, as far as I'm able to determine, is unanimus in attempting to portray conservatives and Republicans as racist?
Wow. You never cease to amaze me. Just a few posts ago, someone quotes Garafalo as saying "probably" "some" "elements" and yet you continue to polarize the left.

I think you need to reexamine the effort involved in "as far as I'm able to determine."
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I think you need to reexamine who that "someone" was.
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I think you need to reexamine who that "someone" was.
It was me. Did I not quote her correctly as using the terms "probably" and "some of the Republicans"?

Is there something about me personally that renders my quotations suspect?

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First, although I'm sure people here do a broad brush to criticize the right, I"m confident it does not take place "hourly". However, I will assume this is hyperbole. I guess that means I am allowed to use hyperbole in the future. Noted.

Second it's still incorrect to broadly generalize that because an actress said something, that means that the entire left embraces it. It does not matter if it has been done the other way around - it is still wrong.

Because an actress said something, this means it is unanimous among the left? You're joking, right?

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Wow did I find one! To be fair, I don't know if this person is a "liberal" but it is definitely a Stupid Democratic Idea of the day/month/year.

Babysitting legislation in CA:



Maybe there is something good here that I missed, but it sure looks like a huge pain in the ass to me. It does look like its for 18 year olds who aren't family members, so maybe its not that big of a deal, but it looks like a solution looking for a problem.
I think the problem is the general deficit in the quality of employment for domestic workers, as matters currently stand in California.

Your average babysitter for a "let's go to a movie this Friday night" casual gig is not typically going to be over eighteen. That's a high school girl's (or boy's) job.

Senator Lamalfa is being disingenuous and misdirectional. Also, I find it charming that he has no comments enabled on his page.
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I think you need to reexamine who that "someone" was.
Irrelevant. Garofalo has a reputation of being pretty darn liberal and yet her brush is liberally sprinkled with limiting qualifiers. That itself is evidence that the left isn't blindly characterizing the right "unanimously".
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So I take it then that you don't believe the left regards Republicans as racist?
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So I take it then that you don't believe the left regards Republicans as racist?
Are you asking one person to answer on behalf of the entire left?
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So I take it then that you don't believe the left regards Republicans as racist?
Americans are racist. The Republicans are just better at exploiting it for electoral purposes.
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The left's stance, as far as I've ever been able to tell is not that all Republicans are racist, but that, on the whole, there are far more racists in the Republican party than there are in the Democratic Party.

I can see how a lesser intellect might interpret that as "The Left thinks we're all racists!" ... but there you go.
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Exactly. Republicans are not typically racist, but racists are typically Republican.

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