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Old 11-18-2018, 12:35 PM
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Another one:

These I didn't get to meet, but I worked with one of the people who got saved. When the Rohm and Haas Company acquired Morton (yes, the salt people), one of the factories they got was Moss Point. A peculiarity of RH was that pretty much anybody in a management position had some sort of STEM background: the accountants were people who at some point had become interested in accounting and gotten MBAs or CPAs, moving into Finance from other areas in the company.

When a team from Accounting got to Moss Point to do the post-acquisition audit, they saw a guy dumping some brightly-colored liquids into a rain ditch. "Uh, what's that?" "Oh, nothing for you guys to worry about!"

As soon as the accountants were by themselves, they took the phone and called Home Office. "Legal, please." The factory manager and the production manager left what would soon be a Superfund site in panda cars. My coworker was among the few people who got offered a transfer, thanks to having a documented history of arguing that those practices were illegal, immoral, unacceptable and other things a proper Southern Lady really shouldn't have known how to pronounce (then again, about the only word she could say in Spanish was coņo and she said it with enormous gusto).
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Old 11-18-2018, 06:31 PM
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Ditto to this. My first college degree track was civil engineering; one of several reasons I got out of it was because I just wasn't comfortable at the thought of signing my name guaranteeing something would NEVER fail, and knowing it would be my ass if something ever did. If a doctor screws up, a patient can die. If an engineer screws up, hundreds of people can die, and it has happened. That you don't hear about it happening much is a testament to the professionalism of engineers/engineering in the U.S. and most modern, western countries. In other places with less rigorous professional standards buildings/bridges collapse all the time, drinking water gets polluted, roads wash away in storms, dams give way, etc. And people die.
Over the years, I had quite a few colleagues, both in school and afterwards (interestingly, all of them men) who started out with some kind of engineering major, and switched to pharmacy; I've always heard that the reason was because they couldn't handle the higher math required for engineering, but I do wonder now that you mention it that this may also have been a factor.

One of my uncles is a long-retired engineer, close to 80 years old, and just within the past few years, he had to go to court to testify about some issues with a bridge he helped design several decades ago. Fortunately, the problem was found before anyone got hurt. (Don't know any more details, but we all found this quite interesting.)
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Old 11-18-2018, 10:38 PM
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We had a new foreman come in from another of our locations. Right from day-one we all knew he was not only a jerk but knew nothing about supervising. Along with all his uselessness he had gathered together a number of groupies at work, and he was banging one of the married women, aka Miss Teflon.
My first interaction with him and I was checking the calendar as to when I could retire.

One day he got sent out of town to a safety conference and took three co-workers with him, including Miss Teflon.
Bombing along the highway in a rented car he got pulled over for speeding. Actually, for excessive speed which means an automatic seizure of the rental car for seven days and a pile of fines. And what else did the cop discover in the rental car? Open alcohol.
Yes, he was shown the door. I don't even think the union defended him. The next day at work almost all of us were high-fiving. Sometimes life is sweet.
Unfortunately one other guy in the car got the boot too, and unfortunately Miss Teflon did not. Ergo her name.
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Old 11-18-2018, 11:09 PM
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Back in the dark ages, when I was in collage for the second time, I was a Night Auditor at a resort. There was the GM, and two assistant managers, and I reported to the comptroller, so I had a Godmother. Now one of the AM's was a legend in his own mind, and thought he was quite the swordsman, using his prowess to cut a path through the nightclub staff as wide as he could. This, on general principals, pissed off the Godmother. I received new orders, and the paper trail was on.

Things really came to a head when it was discovered that our stud didn't like rain coats and had his own file cabinet at the Centers for Disease Control. The sand bag that came whistling out of orbit on his head, however, was when one of the waitresses came down with the gift that keeps on giving, and who was a virgin before she met dumbass. He was really in trouble, since she was connected, shall we say.
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Way back, Vorlon worked as a Night Auditor at a resort. He reported to the controller, who had pull and who liked him, so he was protected, politically speaking. One of the Assistant Managers couldn't keep his pants zipped and was sleeping around with the staff. The controller was not happy, for a variety of reasons, personal and professional. Vorlon was asked to document the AM's activities.

Everything came to a head when it was discovered that the AM in question had an STD (or STDs), and was spreading them around. The last straw was when he hooked up with the formerly innocent daughter of a connected family (mafia, one presumes).

To wrap up: Vorlon provided a paper trail that documented the activities of a serial sexual harasser who was spreading STDs among the staff. The man in question got fired.

(Well done.)
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Old 11-19-2018, 12:48 AM
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I'm pretty sure at least 3 of these replies are about me.
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Old 11-19-2018, 02:16 AM
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Way back, Vorlon worked as a Night Auditor at a resort. He reported to the controller, who had pull and who liked him, so he was protected, politically speaking. One of the Assistant Managers couldn't keep his pants zipped and was sleeping around with the staff. The controller was not happy, for a variety of reasons, personal and professional. Vorlon was asked to document the AM's activities.

Everything came to a head when it was discovered that the AM in question had an STD (or STDs), and was spreading them around. The last straw was when he hooked up with the formerly innocent daughter of a connected family (mafia, one presumes).

To wrap up: Vorlon provided a paper trail that documented the activities of a serial sexual harasser who was spreading STDs among the staff. The man in question got fired.

(Well done.)
I figured it out, piece by piece, after several readings. Thanks for the effort anyway.
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Old 11-19-2018, 02:33 PM
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I worked for the regional chapter of a nationally-known non-profit about 20 years ago. The Executive Director of the chapter was was one of the most vile individuals I've ever met. A total egomaniac and narcissist, her method of how to inspire her underlings was browbeating and humiliation. It was painful to watch, and even more painful to be subjected to it on the rare occasion I was the target. Fortunately, I had been in the workforce for 25 years, and the kind of stuff she pulled on people with less real life experience didn't work on me. An example: Her birthday, Boss's Day and any other Hallmark holiday were to be met with cards and gifts, and woe be it to the poor schmuck who forgot. We had constant turnover, but the thing was, we were one of the most successful chapters in the organization in terms of fund raising. Some time after I left she was promoted to the National Office for her exemplary work. Less than six months later she was gone. I don't know why but I'm guessing she tried pulling the same crap on a much higher level and quickly made her presence unwelcome. I don't delight in the misfortune of other people, generally, but whatever happened to her, she richly deserved.
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Old 11-19-2018, 02:42 PM
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Back in the dark ages, when I was in collage for the second time, I was a Night Auditor at a resort. There was the GM, and two assistant managers, and I reported to the comptroller, so I had a Godmother. Now one of the AM's was a legend in his own mind, and thought he was quite the swordsman, using his prowess to cut a path through the nightclub staff as wide as he could. This, on general principals, pissed off the Godmother. I received new orders, and the paper trail was on.

Things really came to a head when it was discovered that our stud didn't like rain coats and had his own file cabinet at the Centers for Disease Control. The sand bag that came whistling out of orbit on his head, however, was when one of the waitresses came down with the gift that keeps on giving, and who was a virgin before she met dumbass. He was really in trouble, since she was connected, shall we say.
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Yes, I was also trying to get at the fact that this story as told can't be understood. The story is told in some kind of insider code.

Furthermore, the story doesn't clearly state what the actual bad acts are. What did this guy actually do wrong? What were the actual acts of malfeasance that led to his dismissal? What made him so repulsive that the poster took joy in his dismissal?
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Old 11-19-2018, 04:36 PM
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Furthermore, the story doesn't clearly state what the actual bad acts are. What did this guy actually do wrong? What were the actual acts of malfeasance that led to his dismissal? What made him so repulsive that the poster took joy in his dismissal?
Herpes Harry, on company time, and half the time, company location, managed to infect underlings with presently incurable STD's. This made the company liable for damages. After action reports indicated that he refused to wear condoms, which might have reduced the infection rate. It wasn't one life he damaged, there were over a dozen complaints when the trigger got pulled.
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Old 11-20-2018, 08:31 AM
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I work at a small company; even though we have a high rate of turnover, firings are rare. The most exciting one was a guy (let's call him Bub) who got a less than satisfactory performance review, and a bare minimum raise to go along with it. He headed out to the parking lot with his mobile phone to vent. Company policy prohibits discussing salary on company property unless you're behind closed doors with your supervisor or manager, and unfortunately for Bub, one of the managers happened to be outside enjoying a smoke break when he started his phone rant. Upon finishing his smoke break, this manager had Bub escorted off the property, and sent around an email informing the entire company that a) salary is not a topic of conversation, and b) any sightings of Bub near company property were to be reported to management at once.
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Old 11-20-2018, 09:35 AM
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Well, I didn't work with this guy except in the sense that at the time, he was a paralegal at one of the firms that was outside counsel to my employer. I never trusted the guy because whenever I asked him questions about the status of various cases, and it turns out I was right - some years later, after he became a lawyer, he scammed two corporate clients out of hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs for legally required newspaper ads that he never ran. (The company I worked for was not named in the suit, but I bet there were other victims.)
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Old 11-20-2018, 02:09 PM
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When I was 21 or so, I was working at a McD's. One co-worker, who was somewhere between 18 and 21, claimed to be pregnant. Other co-workers who knew her outside of work said "She's not pregnant; she just wants the alleged father to marry her." She was known for being an attention junkie, and often dishonest, and also her parents didn't seem to know about this. I said it could be that she purposely "forgot" to use BC to force the guy's hand, and she was waiting to tell her parents until it was too late for them to intervene. So we got a calendar and said, "Okay, the supposed conception would have been in this two-week window...and the latest that a pregnancy can start showing is this...so if she's not showing by this time at the latest, we know she's faking." And meanwhile, "Mary" is whining that she can't do this, that or the other because pregnant.

I never found out, though; I don't know if anyone did. When the Day of Judgment had almost arrived, we were all in the break room, including Mary. The store manager, followed by the owner, stormed in, barked, "Everyone out except Mary!" We scattered, and a few minutes later, Mary left in tears, followed by a scowling manager. An assistant manager confirmed what we'd suspected: Mary had made some cash disappear while closing out her register, the security cameras confirmed this, plus she'd filled out the paperwork in a way that didn't conceal the theft. Maybe, if she really was pregnant, she'd have said she was doing it "for my baby". But I'll never know.
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Old 11-20-2018, 03:24 PM
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Back when I was a FF cashier I had money come up missing from my till. $5 here, $10 there. We (the cashiers) did not check out our tills but rather a manager or ass. manger did. Up until a newly transferred in ASS. manager started doing my tills I was seldom more than $.30 off. After about a month of missing money going on my record and that ASS. manager not helping with the afternoon restocking (she preferred sitting in the back office talking on the phone to her kid) I quit.

I went to work across the street at a pizza joint I had worked at before I had kids. About a month after I was there one of the ass. managers from the place I quit came in for pizza. We were friendly so we were gossiping. Turns out the ASS. manager was caught stealing from the tills and was fired. It was also why they had transferred her to that location. Her old store thought she was stealing... the new store had cameras in the office.
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Old 11-20-2018, 04:56 PM
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As an HR professional, I saw more problem employees come and go than I care to remember, but there was one who sticks out primarily because he scammed so many companies before he finally got his comeuppance.

Jack, we'll call him, was a 40-year old skilled steel worker on paper. Although he had more job changes than usual on his resume, he explained it away by layoffs and downsizing which was common in the industry at that time. His references were impeccable, his skills test passed with flying colors. Jack was hired and worked at an elite level for 6 months until he injured his back on the job. Although it didn't appear serious at first, the recovery dragged out for the full 18 mths our company had to retain him as an employee on short, then long-term, disability. After it was determined that he wouldn't ever be able to resume his duties, we were able to take him off payroll.

You are probably either wondering what was so terrible about that or why am I such a cold-hearted ***** that I enjoyed this termination. Jack, I found out, had quite a reputation in the area. He had pulled this exact same scam on over a half-dozen other companies over the previous 10-12 years. Work for six months, get "injured", and collect monetary benefits while he sat at home for the next 18 months. Our area had only one major workmen's comp administrator, and their primary doctor was Jack's brother-in-law. He wrote up Jack's "injuries" each time as a new incident and repeatedly certified him as permanently disabled.

Word finally got out, as it eventually seems to do, and both Jack and his doctor brother-in-law were arrested for fraud, but by this time, they had collectively defrauded nearly every small manufacturing concern in the region.

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Old 11-21-2018, 12:25 AM
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Well, I didn't work with this guy except in the sense that at the time, he was a paralegal at one of the firms that was outside counsel to my employer. I never trusted the guy because whenever I asked him questions about the status of various cases, and it turns out I was right - some years later, after he became a lawyer, he scammed two corporate clients out of hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs for legally required newspaper ads that he never ran. (The company I worked for was not named in the suit, but I bet there were other victims.)
What happened when you asked about various cases? Did he lie, or stall, or evade, or a combination of all of the above plus more?

Another one: When I was in my late teens, I worked at Target. Not long after I started, when I was 16, they hired a woman in her 30s with whom I had a surprising amount in common, and by the time we were starting to become friends, I saw her leave one day in tears. I found out later that she had been caught stealing money, something I had not heard any rumors about at all - AND her husband was a police officer!

I did see her one other time - probably a couple years later, also at Target. Presumably, she was no longer banned from shopping there, and came through my lane. She didn't seem to recognize me; by that time, I would have gotten my braces off and grown my hair out somewhat.
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Old 11-21-2018, 03:57 AM
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What happened when you asked about various cases? Did he lie, or stall, or evade, or a combination of all of the above plus more?
I joined the company immediately after a huge merger and later found out that the company had been in the process of transitioning work away from his firm anyway (and we were working with 3 other outside law firms). The way the first step of the employment-based permanent residency process works (labor certification, in which the employer is legally required to document that there are no U.S. workers available and willing to take the job at the prevailing wage for the position, level, and geographic location), the employer (often via a delegated law firm) is required to run newspaper ads on 2 consecutive Sundays in certain newspapers for each metro area, as well as multiple other forms of recruitment, over a 180-day period. After the recruitment runs, there is a waiting period during which the employer must follow up with any applicants for the job and screen them to see whether they meet the qualifications (and interview them, if they do and they are interested in the job). Only after all the recruitment has run and any potentially qualified U.S. workers are determined to be either not available or not qualified can the labor certification application be filed with the Dept. of Labor.

Post-merger, as a bunch of cases got assigned to me for monitoring and liaising with internal HR, hiring managers, etc. to screen candidates and make sure the company was in compliance with the legal recruitment requirements, I would ask him where we were in the process, could I have copies of the recruitment materials, applicant resumes, etc. for the company's records (the Dept. of Labor can audit the employer and impose significant fines for noncompliance). I was also skeptical that these ads were mostly not turning up any applicants at all.

He would tell me "the case is ready to be filed" and never cough up any of the supporting documentation I asked for except for a spreadsheet created by him, and honestly I was too busy and the company was paying the firm way too much money for me to be able to expend more resources babysitting him. I left that job after not too long (it sucked for all sorts of other reasons), so I never had the chance to push the point. Turns out I was right to be skeptical.

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Old 11-21-2018, 11:34 AM
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Mine's a little different than some on here.

The most satisfying dismissal I ever saw was in about 2012 or so; our health care company had been bought by a huge health insurer, and there were a series of IT initiatives that were not terribly well conceived that were ramping up. They weren't going well and we were already short-handed and our skills set didn't line up with our needs, so the CIO was on the hot seat.

She managed to wind everyone up, make us paranoid, and try and implement some kind of dumb-ass department mentality/methodology that was talking about "going faster" and "being nimble" and "make mistakes early" and stuff like that, when literally everyone with any sense was saying "Let's slow down and/or take a pause, staff up appropriately, prioritize, set realistic goals and timelines and execute."

Basically she put the screws to us for about six months, wrecked morale and made us all paranoid that the new company was going to lay us all off, before they finally shit-canned her. Talk about breathing a sigh of relief!

In the end, we DID take a pause, staff up appropriately, and executed. There were no mass layoffs. They still had problems with reasonable timelines and morale when I left earlier this year.
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Old 11-21-2018, 11:47 AM
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I was working for a commercial bank in the 70's and had an opportunity to move to another local bank for significantly more $$. They had just gone through a massive conversion from one computer system to another. And no one there had a clue on how to make the books balance. There had been no trial runs, no mock conversions, no data validation, etc. Once the CEO and CFO became aware of just how screwed up their customer files and accounts were, the top 3 operations and IT people were canned.

Took months of overtime to get things under control and loss writeoffs were in the hundreds of thousands.
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Old 11-21-2018, 03:43 PM
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I worked at a place where the receptionist's son and daughter were also employed on the sales team. The receptionist had gotten management to agree that she could lead a "phone relief staff" who would take turns on the phone while she took her 20-minute mandatory breaks and 90-minute lunch hours.

The phone relief staff was picked from the customer service and manufacturing teams because, she argued, the sales people were too important for that. We had a carefully written script# and we had to play the stereo behind the reception desk and we were not allowed to change the station (Worst of the 1970's Radio) or lower the volume or bring our own paperwork to deal with while we were minding the phones. We were instructed to give her son & daughter first priority for incoming sales calls; we experimented during the week that she took a summer vacation and directed calls to the sales people equally -- and found that the new customer sign-ups skyrocketed during that period.

As time passed and I got to know my phone-relief colleagues better, it became clear that the receptionist chose us in particular because she felt she could boss us around because we* were minorities. There were lots of other people in the customer service and manufacturing departments, but she only chose the minorities to be her minions.

As some point she managed to convince the executives to purchase flower arrangements from the nearby shop where her mother happened to work, and huge bouquets would be brought in every Monday. I began noticing a pattern of the arrangements drying out and dropping pollens by mid-week, wreaking havoc on my allergies. When I noted my observation to management, they told the receptionist she would have to move her giant vase out of the lobby before my shifts started. She did so one day, then stopped, then complained to management that I wasn't relieving her on-schedule. [She wasn't relieving my allergies so I wasn't relieving her at all.]

Active customers (not just potential sales leads) would complain to me about the receptionist's manners. The other phone-relievers had other complaints, including racist comments and just plain old rudeness. We compared notes and learned "Wow! You're the only one who has ever mentioned this!" was an HR mantra -- until we gathered around the owner and a manager during the company gift-exchange party and collectively shared our stories. The experiment that resulted in the better-without-the-kids sales result was also brought up, and the owner was unhappy to learn the receptionist had invented such a give-my-kids-the-best-commissions rule.

The receptionist went on her annual all-December holiday break. On the eve of New Years Eve, she was called and told not to bother coming back.

When the manager brought the phone-relievers together to quietly confide that the receptionist had been dismissed, we volunteered to each take a day of the week to cover the phones. Management was impressed with our initiative, but assured us a Temp agency already had someone lined-up, On January second, while the Temp covered the phones, the phone-reliever team went to lunch to celebrate. I was so happy about it that I paid for everyone's lunch!


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# I thought it was odd that the script did not include the company's name and she reminded me a couple times that I shouldn't waste time with more than "Hello" for a greeting. On that I refused to change, saying "Good morning/afternoon/evening at [company]...." because I thought it was more professional and, I argued, that extra bit of courtesy didn't really tax my asthmatic lungs too much.
* All except for the lady who was a single mother living in a mobile home. She was actually a classy lady from an upper-class family whose husband died in some accident and she didn't want her own family telling her what to do with their child. But the receptionist considered her "white trash" because she lived in a mobile home and treated her as badly as she treated the minorities.
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Old 11-21-2018, 11:29 PM
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Grestarian, how could a receptionist wield that much power? Was she related in some way to a bigshot at the company?
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Old 11-22-2018, 07:29 PM
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Way back, Vorlon worked as a Night Auditor at a resort. He reported to the controller, who had pull and who liked him, so he was protected, politically speaking. One of the Assistant Managers couldn't keep his pants zipped and was sleeping around with the staff. The controller was not happy, for a variety of reasons, personal and professional. Vorlon was asked to document the AM's activities.

Everything came to a head when it was discovered that the AM in question had an STD (or STDs), and was spreading them around. The last straw was when he hooked up with the formerly innocent daughter of a connected family (mafia, one presumes).

To wrap up: Vorlon provided a paper trail that documented the activities of a serial sexual harasser who was spreading STDs among the staff. The man in question got fired.

(Well done.)
It’s hilarious that a post by The Vorlon would be incomprehensible. Best user name/ post combo ever.

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Old 11-22-2018, 11:41 PM
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things a proper Southern Lady really shouldn't have known how to pronounce (then again, about the only word she could say in Spanish was coņo and she said it with enormous gusto).
What does "conyo" (pronounced) mean? I don't have that special "n" on my keyboard to use for Google Translate.
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What does "conyo" (pronounced) mean? I don't have that special "n" on my keyboard to use for Google Translate.
coņo = con (Fr.) = cunnus = cunt, literally.

Not a super polite idiom, but I guess you have to use it like salt, a dash makes all the difference where flavour is missing, but too much and your dish becomes inedible.
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Old 11-23-2018, 11:27 PM
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The head of information security whose work hard drive was filled with child porn.

The boss who raped me.

Those two were pretty satisfying.
Your post has intruded on my thoughts, at odd times, for over a week now. I hope life has been better to you since then.
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Old 11-23-2018, 11:45 PM
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Around 2010 or '11, my friend P's colleague G was called into a meeting, escorted out by security, and his office was locked and then later searched. He had been fired but would never level with P or anyone about the reason. A mutual colleague found out later that it was because of his viewing of kiddie porn.

Last year, the FBI showed up at his house early on a Sunday morning and arrested him at gunpoint. He may have been part of an international cyber- ring, which is apparently why they took so long to gather evidence and take other people down along with him. He still had computers and hard drives with all the vids and pics in his home. Due to the company being very well known, the firing and the ensuing mess were never publicized.

He went to prison earlier this year.
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Old 11-24-2018, 09:59 AM
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We once had a person who claimed to have "multiple chemical sensitivities." She could not do anything in the office that didn't make her dizzy, give her a head ache, or make her nauseous. Unpack the signs? "Oh, the plastic makes me dizzy." Pull a file for me? "Oh, the dust is giving me a headache." She once went home when I made a cup of tea with saccharine in it. Claimed it was giving her a headache.

I caught her printing out gay male porn from the Internet, and I mean some pretty raunchy stuff. She got fired immediately.
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Old 11-24-2018, 10:28 AM
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I work at a small company; even though we have a high rate of turnover, firings are rare. The most exciting one was a guy (let's call him Bub) who got a less than satisfactory performance review, and a bare minimum raise to go along with it. He headed out to the parking lot with his mobile phone to vent. Company policy prohibits discussing salary on company property unless you're behind closed doors with your supervisor or manager, and unfortunately for Bub, one of the managers happened to be outside enjoying a smoke break when he started his phone rant. Upon finishing his smoke break, this manager had Bub escorted off the property, and sent around an email informing the entire company that a) salary is not a topic of conversation, and b) any sightings of Bub near company property were to be reported to management at once.
I was under the impression that said company policy is illegal-you cannot stop employees from comparing paychecks, as far as I know.
Am I wrong?

edited to add: Just found article on illegal pay secrecy policies.

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How cultures differ. We used to get little inserts in the local paper with everyone's income on it once a year. Now we just put it on the internet.
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I work at a small company; even though we have a high rate of turnover, firings are rare. The most exciting one was a guy (let's call him Bub) who got a less than satisfactory performance review, and a bare minimum raise to go along with it. He headed out to the parking lot with his mobile phone to vent. Company policy prohibits discussing salary on company property unless you're behind closed doors with your supervisor or manager, and unfortunately for Bub, one of the managers happened to be outside enjoying a smoke break when he started his phone rant. Upon finishing his smoke break, this manager had Bub escorted off the property, and sent around an email informing the entire company that a) salary is not a topic of conversation, and b) any sightings of Bub near company property were to be reported to management at once.
Someone did not know how to fight for their job. The point of not having employees talk about what they are being paid is to keep wages down.
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Old 11-24-2018, 11:30 PM
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I was doing software design in the telecom world back in the late 90s. The market was really hot so there was a lot of movement between companies. My friend, A, and I were first-level managers. A was talking to a friend, B, who had moved from our company to another company just up the road. B mentions seeing C around his building. A says that can't be right, he works for me. B insists that yes, C is working at the other company. B goes to our boss, who calls the other company and asks to speak to C. When C answered the phone, boss says get back here right now, we need to talk. Our company fired him of course. I don't know what happened at the other company, but a friend in HR told me they had called the other company and apprised them of the situation.
How did C manage to work in two places at once?
Sorry, I just noticed this question. Part of it was physical - our campus was spread across eight different buildings and one of them contained all of the test labs. People who were testing sometimes had to work evening shifts to get higher usage rate out of the equipment. Part of it was cultural - we were treated as responsible adults who would show up and get the job done. So, between testing and meeting with people in other buildings, it wasn't uncommon that people weren't in their offices when you would look for them. And because of the culture of trust, as long as you saw them some time during the day, then you assumed they were there all day. After this incident we had to start checking our assumptions a little more closely.
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Old 11-25-2018, 12:27 AM
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Someone did not know how to fight for their job. The point of not having employees talk about what they are being paid is to keep wages down.
It sounds like Bub was on the plank for other reasons, and this gave them a reason to finally shove him off.
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It sounds like Bub was on the plank for other reasons, and this gave them a reason to finally shove him off.
And that "reason" gave him a way to sue them.
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Old 11-26-2018, 09:18 AM
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I was under the impression that said company policy is illegal-you cannot stop employees from comparing paychecks, as far as I know.
I thought that too, but North Carolina is an at-will employment state, so incidents like this one tend to get swept under the rug.

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The point of not having employees talk about what they are being paid is to keep wages down.
Definitely true at this company!

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It sounds like Bub was on the plank for other reasons, and this gave them a reason to finally shove him off.
I'm not sure since there was no further discussion of the matter, but I think this was the same guy who would occasionally help himself to items from the scrap metal bin (which, because of the type of work we do, often contains alloys that are worth quite a bit - that's why the company collects the stuff).

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And that "reason" gave him a way to sue them.
Nothing ever came of that - possibly for the reason above. This would probably have been reason enough for firing at other companies, but Scrap Metal Guy's supervisor was willing to look the other way for whatever reason (the most common excuse I heard was that Scrap Metal Guy was a long-term employee who knew what he was doing, and that it would be too much of a hassle to replace him). The guy who caught Bub having a fit in the parking lot was not his manager, and was also known to have been frustrated with the consideration given to Scrap Metal Guy.
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Old 11-26-2018, 11:54 AM
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How did C manage to work in two places at once?
Different shifts, perhaps?

I have a fairly similar tale. Can't put too many details but someone was working on two unrelated projects (for the same high-level employer) as an independent contractor, and managed to "work" more than 168 hours in a week. He was gone quickly when someone somehow saw invoices for the two projects.

A sadder tale: there was a fellow at my husband's company who was hired to do IT work, and was just getting his life back together after a bankruptcy. He did good work for quite a while.

Then he began to enjoy himself too much (drinking, drugs), and it got to be a habit at the company to call him every day at noon to suggest he come to work. They were in major crunch mode, so half-assed was better than none.

As soon as crunch mode ended, he was gone. I gather things really went downhill from there.

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Way back, Vorlon worked as a Night Auditor at a resort. He reported to the controller, who had pull and who liked him, so he was protected, politically speaking. One of the Assistant Managers couldn't keep his pants zipped and was sleeping around with the staff. The controller was not happy, for a variety of reasons, personal and professional. Vorlon was asked to document the AM's activities.

Everything came to a head when it was discovered that the AM in question had an STD (or STDs), and was spreading them around. The last straw was when he hooked up with the formerly innocent daughter of a connected family (mafia, one presumes).

To wrap up: Vorlon provided a paper trail that documented the activities of a serial sexual harasser who was spreading STDs among the staff. The man in question got fired.
Er, I got the impression that "fired" meant "terminated", quite possibly "with extreme prejudice". or the fellow may have *wished* he had been.
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We had an office bully who was just a mean, nasty person all the way around. No one knew what she was actually supposed to be doing, she spent her days sticking her nose in where it didn't belong and trying to catch people making mistakes. She treated everyone horribly, not just employees but also clients and vendors. We had people who said they wouldn't do business with us anymore because of her. One of the dozens of VPs at the company was her boss and thought she was wonderful, so people would complain but nothing ever came of it except for a few slaps on the wrist.

About a year ago office bully decided she needed to insert herself into a project I was working on. A teammate and I were doing some tweaking to some new software that was being built to make it easier for new hires to use. Office bully started coming to the meetings to "make sure we weren't asking for too much." She kept vetoing things we asked for even though my boss and the IT guys in charge of the project told my teammate and I that pretty much whatever we asked for was do-able. During one of the meetings office bully was attending my teammate asked for something to be labeled differently. Office bully went ballistic. Screaming at us that we should be happy with what we had and we were wasting time and that if the new hires couldn't figure out the labels that was their problem. Then she stormed out of the room, went back to her desk, and proceeded to crash the test systems. Somehow she had access to the test systems (probably her boss gave her access for some reason) and ran a report she knew would make us unable to work on the systems. The funny part of this was that while office bully was having her hissy fit one of the IT guys changed the labels to look how we wanted. It was a five minute fix.

Someone in the room that day went to her boss's boss and said "This is bullshit!" I'm not 100% sure who complained but they're a hero in my book. A day or two later as I was coming into the building I got greeted by the lovely sight of office bully being marched out of the building by HR. That was such a happy day. The project got finished in record time without office bully's interference and everyone was in a much better mood without her skulking around.
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OK I have one but it has a slight twist at the end.
Back around the mid 90s I had to work 2 jobs to make ends meet. I had a college degree and had a job with a major govt contractor near the Washington DC area in Northern VA. I had to work a second job to make ends meet because a family member who had cosigned a lease with me baled and left me high and dry. Anyway the second job was as a cashier at a local Safeway grocery store.
There was this bagging guy call him O - real young - who had a lot of swagger and a real ability to get the least amount of work done in a day that you could believe. He would show up front when we were busy but would seem to be at another part of the store whenever you wanted him for something. He was in the union - so was I - so he was able to coast by whenever this was brought up because no one could find where he was going etc. (at this time Safeway's worked the fewest amount of employees legally allowed by state law)
Well he eventually volunteered to stock the drink machines and cigarette machines every few days. This involved loading them up and collecting the money from them. Well you can guess that some money came up missing and he was blamed along with another younger high school boy. The high school boy admitted to stealing some $$ but our guy O was blamed for the majority of the thefts. ( I had asked the hs guy after he left and he confessed that O taught him the scam).
Well long story short he was finally fired about a year later on basically enough bad reviews that he could be run out.
Many years later long after I had left that second job I ended up at another major govt contractor and who should I see stepping off of the elevator at my building but O! He works at my company.
He was all smiles (he is a charming guy) and when I looked him up I found out that he is a Sr principle proj manager! I did some discreet checking and apparently he is the real deal now and is honest, dependable and well though of.
I guess 20 years can make a difference.
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Several jobs ago, a newly-hired coworker (whom I'll call Charlie because screw him) did so little to make himself tolerable that as the deadline of his 60-day probationary period neared, I approached my other co-workers to see if it was just me or if everyone was having the same experience working with Charlie. Turns out, everyone was getting the same amount of anti-joy working with Charlie as I was. So, I took it upon myself to meet with our manager and the building manager to lay out the complaints.

A day or two later was his probationary review, which normally is a laughably pro-forma "you're doing a great job, keep it up" meeting. I happened to be in the break room adjacent to the room where they were meeting, so this is first hand reporting: about 10-15 minutes into the meeting, Charlie positively exploded out of the meeting, face beet red, disappeared around the corner, and shortly thereafter abandoned the building, never to return. Apparently, he was just that unwilling to modify his behavior that he preferred to rage quit.

And he was missed by precisely no one.
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I'm not sure since there was no further discussion of the matter, but I think this was the same guy who would occasionally help himself to items from the scrap metal bin (which, because of the type of work we do, often contains alloys that are worth quite a bit - that's why the company collects the stuff).


Nothing ever came of that - possibly for the reason above. This would probably have been reason enough for firing at other companies, but Scrap Metal Guy's supervisor was willing to look the other way for whatever reason (the most common excuse I heard was that Scrap Metal Guy was a long-term employee who knew what he was doing, and that it would be too much of a hassle to replace him). The guy who caught Bub having a fit in the parking lot was not his manager, and was also known to have been frustrated with the consideration given to Scrap Metal Guy.
Were Bub and Scrap Metal Guy the same person, or do you not know? Anyway, if Bub was indeed helping himself to the goodies in the scrap metal bin, that in itself would be stealing from the employer, and grounds for termination in itself.
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Were Bub and Scrap Metal Guy the same person, or do you not know? Anyway, if Bub was indeed helping himself to the goodies in the scrap metal bin, that in itself would be stealing from the employer, and grounds for termination in itself.
I never found out for sure, but I do know for certain that there were several managers who thought he should have been fired after the theft incident. Heck, several of the guy's coworkers couldn't believe he was still employed after that. So I'm guessing that either the parking lot rant was a lot worse than I realized, or this one manager finally saw a chance to get rid of the guy.
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