Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 09-15-2018, 12:26 PM
SamuelA SamuelA is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,559
Cat psychology : Do your cats also vary behavior depending on how they got somewhere?

So I have noticed that if the kitty decides on his own to get on my pillow, or lie on a blanket, or lie on his cat tree platform, he is friendly and affectionate and purrs extremely loud if you pet him.

But if he's in one of these favored locations and you pick the cat up and move him to another place he normally likes, this is not true. He tries to leave and go back to his original spot. Even if he stays for a while, it's under duress and he doesn't purr much or act as friendly.

This is sort of maddening to me. The spot I move him to is just as warm and safe as the spot he was previously. It tells me the cat is non Markovian - not only does the state (where the cat is) matter, but also the path he took to get to that state.
  #2  
Old 09-15-2018, 12:37 PM
Horatius Horatius is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Ottawa, ON
Posts: 841
I think this falls into the category of "Well, duh".

How would you feel if some giant were to randomly pick you up and deposit you somewhere else?

Heck, how do you feel when you're on an airplane, and the flight attendant tells you you have to switch seats? Even if all the seats are essentially the same, I expect you'd be annoyed at having to pack up all your stuff and move to another seat. Even if you understand why they asked you to move, it's still annoying.
  #3  
Old 09-15-2018, 12:43 PM
Czarcasm's Avatar
Czarcasm Czarcasm is offline
Charter Member
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Apr 1999
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 57,126
It is doubly annoying if a giant flight attendant picks you up and deposits you in a different seat.
  #4  
Old 09-15-2018, 12:50 PM
half-elf half-elf is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 260
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
How would you feel if some giant were to randomly pick you up and deposit you somewhere else?
That's exactly what I was about to post, with the following example: even if the giant were to take you from your favourite tv-watching armchair and put you on your favourite (soft, hard, water- whatever) mattress.

You weren't in lying on a mattress mode, you were in watching tv mode!
  #5  
Old 09-15-2018, 02:53 PM
GreenWyvern's Avatar
GreenWyvern GreenWyvern is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Cape Town
Posts: 961
It's interesting to me that you frame this in terms of the "path he took to get to that state", as though the cat is some kind of mindless robot. This tells me that you have no understanding whatsoever of cats.

The cat is a being with a mind and will of his own. He simply doesn't like being pushed around.

Cats don't like being made to do things. They like to choose for themselves and do things their own way in their time.

Last edited by GreenWyvern; 09-15-2018 at 02:55 PM.
  #6  
Old 09-15-2018, 05:19 PM
Helena330's Avatar
Helena330 Helena330 is offline
Mere Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: Near Seattle, WA, USA
Posts: 3,440
SameulA is surprised a cat gets annoyed when you move it from a sleeping spot. DUH!!
  #7  
Old 09-15-2018, 05:38 PM
Sunny Daze's Avatar
Sunny Daze Sunny Daze is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 10,886
You think a cat is bad? Try it with a toddler.
  #8  
Old 09-15-2018, 06:10 PM
raventhief's Avatar
raventhief raventhief is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 4,424
I think the issue is more accurately started as a cat's reaction to a place depends on whether or not they want to be there at that time.
  #9  
Old 09-15-2018, 07:42 PM
Springtime for Spacers Springtime for Spacers is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 1,859
Link not working.
  #10  
Old 09-15-2018, 08:07 PM
Beckdawrek's Avatar
Beckdawrek Beckdawrek is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: So.Ark ?
Posts: 9,275
Oh, god, I would never presume to know where/what/why a cat has chosen a spot to be (as in the royal 'we shall be here'). They don't mind, they respond with claws if you force the issue. And you cannot reason with them. It's better for me to provide choices and stand back and approve. And tell them how beautiful they are.
(Plus, hope we don't have to get in the cat carrier this week, ugh)
  #11  
Old 09-15-2018, 10:07 PM
x-ray vision's Avatar
x-ray vision x-ray vision is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: N.J.
Posts: 5,727
Quote:
Originally Posted by Springtime for Spacers View Post
Link not working.
It's a link to this thread, but the colon after "https" is missing.
  #12  
Old 09-15-2018, 10:11 PM
Sunny Daze's Avatar
Sunny Daze Sunny Daze is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2014
Location: Oregon
Posts: 10,886
Maybe it's like a cat and it didn't want to be here.
  #13  
Old 09-15-2018, 10:20 PM
Grrr!'s Avatar
Grrr! Grrr! is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 15,453
Quote:
Originally Posted by Springtime for Spacers View Post
Link not working.
Quote:
Originally Posted by x-ray vision View Post
It's a link to this thread, but the colon after "https" is missing.

LOL. Helena330 fucked up. I'm pretty sure that post was meant for Giraffeboards.

Last edited by Grrr!; 09-15-2018 at 10:21 PM.
  #14  
Old 09-16-2018, 02:59 AM
DavidwithanR DavidwithanR is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 3,314
Quote:
Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
I think this falls into the category of "Well, duh".

How would you feel if some giant were to randomly pick you up and deposit you somewhere else?

Heck, how do you feel when you're on an airplane, and the flight attendant tells you you have to switch seats? Even if all the seats are essentially the same, I expect you'd be annoyed at having to pack up all your stuff and move to another seat. Even if you understand why they asked you to move, it's still annoying.
The "well, duh" extends further than you might like to believe.

Cats have such a problem with being moved to a nice place because cats are not intelligent, and react with irrational fear to things that are excellent, simply because they were not expecting them.

Having a dog can be like having a friend. Having a cat is much more like having a pet fish - they are off doing their thing and haven't got a clue about you except that you feed them.

Last edited by DavidwithanR; 09-16-2018 at 03:02 AM.
  #15  
Old 09-16-2018, 03:14 AM
DavidwithanR DavidwithanR is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 3,314
(We often anthropomorphize cats' lack of intelligence as "an aloof nature" or "an independent personality" - but the same can be said in the same way about a fish or a plant. Fish and cats are aloof because they have no idea what's going on, not because they were raised in formal settings.)
  #16  
Old 09-16-2018, 09:15 AM
SamuelA SamuelA is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 2,559
Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidwithanR View Post
Cats have such a problem with being moved to a nice place because cats are not intelligent, and react with irrational fear to things that are excellent, simply because they were not expecting them.
I think the cat is fairly smart. It seems to have awareness of when I'm paying attention to it, excellent motion control, ability to emit crude status messages to fellow cats, ability to recognize me by acoustic signature from long distances, it's still able to hunt, correlate times of day and situation with possible feedings...a lot of subsystems.

But yeah, it doesn't have the kind of high level executive reasoning you or I have.

And I'm just sorta amused by how it seems to have a state variable for "location this.cat intended to be" and "present location". Such that if you move a cat, even to the bestest spot the cat loves to be at, it will want to leave.
  #17  
Old 09-16-2018, 11:18 AM
Nisslbody Nisslbody is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Oregon
Posts: 86
It has nothing to do with intelligence, and everything to do with control. The cat doesn't want you to decide where it's going to be. Dogs want to please humans, and will happily go where you want them to go. Cats, not so much. Cats want to control where they go, based on what they feel like doing, much like you or I.
  #18  
Old 09-16-2018, 11:22 AM
expectopatronum's Avatar
expectopatronum expectopatronum is offline
Guest
 
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: Tampa
Posts: 941
Quote:
Originally Posted by DavidwithanR View Post
The "well, duh" extends further than you might like to believe.

Cats have such a problem with being moved to a nice place because cats are not intelligent, and react with irrational fear to things that are excellent, simply because they were not expecting them.

Having a dog can be like having a friend. Having a cat is much more like having a pet fish - they are off doing their thing and haven't got a clue about you except that you feed them.
Seriously, dude? It's fine if you're more of a dog person than a cat person (I'm both myself), but you clearly know nothing about cats. As someone upthread pointed out, they're creatures with minds and wills of their own. When they're carried away from the spot they're currently hanging out in, of course they mind because if they wanted to be in their other favorite spot, they'd be there already. You may enjoy, say, a warm shower, but do you particularly want to be put in one when you're cuddled up in bed?Same principle.

And sure, cats have no clue about or no interest in their owners. That's why when my boyfriend comes home from work they gather around him and won't leave him the hell alone because they're all happy that dad's home. That's why our oldest cat joins us in bed every night, alternating between settling down on his chest, or mine. She's the same cat who nursed me through an awful breakup years ago. She sat by my side for a solid 8 hours while I alternated between crying and sleeping, during the time when cats like to run around and play (overnight), because she sensed my distress and did her best to help. Ever gone through a particularly stressful period in your life with a cat? They pick up on it, and get stressed out too. Ever move with a cat? Their anxiety grows the more stuff you pack up because they sense a change is coming and cats aren't too nuts abou change. They're headstrong, and willful, and sometimes a pain in the ass, but they're certainly not unintelligent.

Dogs share many similar traits to the ones I described too, so I'm not sure where you're getting that dogs are good companions/friends but cats are not.

on preview: what Nisslbody said, too. Dogs are eager to please. Cats do what they want, when they want, in their own time.
  #19  
Old 09-16-2018, 12:27 PM
x-ray vision's Avatar
x-ray vision x-ray vision is offline
Charter Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: N.J.
Posts: 5,727
Quote:
Originally Posted by expectopatronum View Post
And sure, cats have no clue about or no interest in their owners. That's why when my boyfriend comes home from work they gather around him and won't leave him the hell alone because they're all happy that dad's home. That's why our oldest cat joins us in bed every night, alternating between settling down on his chest, or mine. She's the same cat who nursed me through an awful breakup years ago. She sat by my side for a solid 8 hours while I alternated between crying and sleeping, during the time when cats like to run around and play (overnight), because she sensed my distress and did her best to help. Ever gone through a particularly stressful period in your life with a cat? They pick up on it, and get stressed out too. Ever move with a cat? Their anxiety grows the more stuff you pack up because they sense a change is coming and cats aren't too nuts abou change. They're headstrong, and willful, and sometimes a pain in the ass, but they're certainly not unintelligent.
Okay, but you haven't met DavidwithanR's pet fish.
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is Off
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:00 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.

Send questions for Cecil Adams to: cecil@straightdope.com

Send comments about this website to: webmaster@straightdope.com

Terms of Use / Privacy Policy

Advertise on the Straight Dope!
(Your direct line to thousands of the smartest, hippest people on the planet, plus a few total dipsticks.)

Copyright 2018 STM Reader, LLC.

 
Copyright © 2017